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SimulaH

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Hey everyone,

I'm reaching out to the community today because I'm facing some frustrating problems with my PC setup after upgrading my graphics card and monitor. I recently decided to enhance my gaming and overall viewing experience by investing in a new graphics card and a high-refresh-rate monitor. However, since making these changes, I've been encountering annoying stuttering issues.

Before the upgrade, my system ran smoothly, but ever since I switched to the new graphics card and monitor, I've noticed frequent stuttering during both gaming sessions and general computer usage. The stuttering occurs seemingly at random, and it seriously impacts the overall performance and enjoyment of using my PC.

I'd like to share the details of my upgraded setup to see if anyone can pinpoint the source of the problem. Here's my new configuration:

GPU:Gigabyte 3070 ti VISION oc
CPU:I5 9600kf
MB:MSI z390 gaming plus
32 gb ram 2666
1 Samsung 970 pro 500gb
1 Samsung 980 250gb
1 Samsung 870 250gb
1 hdd 1TB
Corsair 850 gold
Monitor : Xiaomi 2k gaming
Windows 11

To troubleshoot, I've already tried the following steps:

  1. Checked for the latest graphics drivers and installed them.
  2. Verified that my graphics settings are optimized for the new monitor's capabilities.
  3. Ensured that all cables are securely connected between the graphics card, monitor, and power source.
Despite these efforts, I'm still experiencing stuttering problems, and I'm at a loss for what to do next. I've invested a considerable amount in these upgrades, and it's disheartening not to see the expected improvements.

If any of you have encountered a similar issue after upgrading your graphics card and monitor or have any insights into what might be causing the stuttering, I'd be incredibly grateful for your advice and recommendations. Additionally, if there are any troubleshooting steps that I might have missed, please feel free to suggest them.

Thank you so much for taking the time to read this post
 
9600k can be overwhelmed with high frame rates in certain games and if cpu is maxing out that can cause stutters. Try limit fps to a level so cpu isn't reaching 100% usage. Monitor cpu usage with Msi Afterburner, there are tutorials on Youtube how to set it up onscreen stats while gaming.

Watch this video to better understand how fps affects cpu. Bottom line is you may need to upgrade to make use of your new graphics card in demanding games where 6 cores without Hyperthreading is stretched.

View: https://youtu.be/Qo3EJzHuXok
 
Im not seeing stuttering so by you moving side to side you're obviously trying to demonstrate the stuttering you're seeing. The stutter im referring to is a hard mini pause, if that's not what is happening, I don't see evidence of that, then what you're probably experiencing is micro stutters which is more to do with refresh rate of the monitor not matching to your frame rate. Are you using Gsync without Vsync? Gsync alone doesn't maintain fps in vrr (variable refresh rate ~ range) so vsync is used to keep it there, otherwise you'll get this jitterish non smooth video playback effect.
 
Almost all of them, the only one that has never given problems is league of legends. I've already tried downloading older drivers, but it hasn't changed anything
 
Stuttering is caused by a temporary lack of a critical resource. Usually cpu.
Before you upgraded the graphics card, graphics was the limiting factor.
With delays due to graphics eliminated or lessened, your cpu became the limiting factor.

Do not be seduced by a cpu utilization under 100 and think you have ample cpu capacity.
Your 9600K has 6 processing threads. One of them will be running the master control thread, and that is probably running full out and limiting your performance. The remaining 5 threads will not be fully utilized for games.

You could buy a i7-9700K which would buy you 8 threads, but the power of an individual thread would not be significantly higher.
9700K sells for $160 or so used on ebay.
Not a great deal for minimal performance boost.
Have you overclocked your 9600K?
If not, there is perhaps a 25% cpu boost available.

I think your only real solution is go upgrade to modern 13th gen Intel or AMD5.
 
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geofelt said:
Stuttering is caused by a temporary lack of a critical resource. Usually cpu.
Before you upgraded the graphics card, graphics was the limiting factor.
With delays due to graphics eliminated or lessened, your cpu became the limiting factor.

Do not be seduced by a cpu utilization under 100 and think you have ample cpu capacity.
Your 9600K has 6 processing threads. One of them will be running the master control thread, and that is probably running full out and limiting your performance. The remaining 5 threads will not be fully utilized for games.

You could buy a i7-9700K which would buy you 8 threads, but the power of an individual thread would not be significantly higher.
9700K sells for $160 or so used on ebay.
Not a great deal for minimal performance boost.
Have you overclocked your 9600K?
If not, there is perhaps a 25% cpu boost available.

I think your only real solution is go upgrade to modern 13th gen Intel or AMD5.
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I also thought it might be the processor, but recently I brought the PC to a friend who knows more about these things than me, and he said he didn't have these issues. He was testing it on a 1080p monitor, not a 2K one. Moreover, it seems strange because with the same setup, Cyberpunk on max settings didn't give me any issues for the first 3/4 hours. However, if I started doing other things on the PC while playing, the game started to experience stuttering. Even when it was overclocked, I had the same issues. However, the guy above says it's micro stuttering, not stuttering. Maybe it makes a difference
Roland Of Gilead said:
Is it the same with Gsync on and Vsync off?
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With V-Sync off and G-Sync on, the issue is much more prevalent, and there is a lot more stuttering in some games, especially accompanied by tearing.
 
What else besides Msi Afterburner, or apps/any utilities you may have installed that possibly runs when Windows loads? Discord for example, is known to cause performance issues in games if i think hardware acceleration is turned on.

Have look in task manager startup items.

You might've tried already not running anything in the background but I'd like to ask anyway. If it's not hardware limitation as far as you're concerned it could be software/ apps causing issues. How about Geforce Experience, do you use that optimise games?

Btw, careful about how much Ray Tracing you use, 30 series is big improvement over 20 series but is still very demanding. Dlss can be a bit dodgy too I've found. Try run your games without RT and anti aliasing turned off in game and see how you go.

When monitoring cpu usage with Msi Afterburner check the cpu thread without number, that's total usage.
 
So, I've already tried a clean boot, but it didn't help at all. Most of the games I tested run without RTX, yet they still give me the same problem. However, I noticed that when I have a video open or any program with moving frames beneath the game, the computer starts to lag a lot. I thought the issue might be with the monitor because I didn't have these problems with the old monitor
I also tried disabling hardware acceleration for both Discord and Google, but without results. I think it's a problem either with the graphics card or the monitor, although I'm not sure.
 
Can you record the same videos but this time include cpu usage at both refresh rates. Select cpu fields with number in Msi Afterburner, these are individual cores and also select cpu without number for total usage.

What's the 1TB hdd used for? just general storage? Where is Windows/pagefile and games installed/located on? Haven't moved or changed pagefile size have you?
 
Ok, so i use a 1TB hard disk only to store files/documents; no vital programs for the computer are on it. Windows is on the 870 EVO SSD; before formatting the computer, it was on the NVMe SSD, but by mistake, I moved it to the 870 EVO. Nothing has changed, though. I don't know where to find the pagefiles, but all the games are on the NVMe SSD. No, I haven't changed the size of the pagefiles.


View: https://youtu.be/LJuQxJDj7uE

This is the game running at 2K resolution, achieving 140 frames per second, but it's very unstable.
View: https://youtu.be/cmVGYZ7G1Vs

This is at 1080p, running at 60 frames per second, and the game seems much more stable. However, occasionally, though less frequently, there are some spikes in the frametime.
View: https://youtu.be/8rF7keW_HPg

And this is the graph from MSI Afterburner, maybe it can be useful.
 
I still believe you're cpu limited, can see usage being much higher with uncapped fps compared to 1080p at 60fps, so there is truth to that. I'd like to see total cpu usage though to see what that looks like, that'll tell the story, cpu field without number as i've asked before.
 
theres something wrong with your timers, second video is supposed to run at 1080p 60fps, we can see that fps limiter is running as both gpu and cpu utilisation is low compared to unlimited on other vid
but it doesnt run 60fps, it starts at 50fps and over time fps is slowly raising, at end of video its 55fps

did you toy with hpet/platform timers/resolution timers?
 
boju said:
I still believe you're cpu limited, can see usage being much higher with uncapped fps compared to 1080p at 60fps, so there is truth to that. I'd like to see total cpu usage though to see what that looks like, that'll tell the story, cpu field without number as i've asked before.
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Sorry, so you would like each individual processor core in graphical mode instead of numbers, right?
kerberos_20 said:
theres something wrong with your timers, second video is supposed to run at 1080p 60fps, we can see that fps limiter is running as both gpu and cpu utilisation is low compared to unlimited on other vid
but it doesnt run 60fps, it starts at 50fps and over time fps is slowly raising, at end of video its 55fps

did you toy with hpet/platform timers/resolution timers?
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No, I don't think so
 
SimulaH said:
Sorry, so you would like each individual processor core in graphical mode instead of numbers, right?
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Its ok. The way you're having it is fine just missing total cpu usage. In Msi Afterburner you have CPU 1 to 6 according to your cores. There is another CPU field which has no number and that is total usage, display that field as well.
 
In the old video I sent earlier, the total CPU usage is already present. It's the last blue graph. Now, if you prefer to see it without the graph and just the number, I can remake the video for you
 
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