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From: "SS" <nospam1336479852@wopdj.net>
Newsgroups: alt.cellular.nextel,alt.cellular.verizon
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: Swithched to Verizon PTT
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> <dalite01@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:mc4ve.1579$qm.942@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>> Is that the official "end of the week" stance now?
>>
>> I guess the new Nextel phones with the off-network walkie talkie using
>> the
>> 900 mhz spectrum were obsolete when introduced???
>>
>> Check your premises; contradictions can't exist...
>>
>> The easy way out was to not have to replace all their customer's phones
> with
>> the 1.9GHz ones, and simply use the 900 MHz spectrum that they are
> expanding
>> their sites to utilize, while still maintaining the Public Safety
>> spectrum
>> that is the cause of so much interference.
>>
>> However, by your estimate of the current situation and company strategy,
>> they just rolled out the off network useage of 900 mhz as VaporWare..
>>
>>
>> I guess this proposed move to 1.9GHz is also why they expanded the Boost
>> prepaid system to use the old spectrum, instead of the new spectrum you
>> propose.
>>
>> I could go on, but you should have the general idea by now. Either they
> are
>> staying with public safety spectrum and expanding to 900 mhz for off
> network
>> simplex and spill over, or they are trying to double their base in old
>> specttrum so they can confidently bankrupt themseves with 100% certainty
> by
>> having to replace all the 800/900 MHz phones with 1.9 GHz ones.
>>
>> New slogan, by your estimation will be NEXTEL | BROKE
>>
>>
>
>
> You don't have to believe me- try reading from independent sources:
>
>
http://www.mobiletracker.net/archives/2004/07/08/fcc_approves_ne.php
> July 8th 2004 -
The FCC has voted to approve a spectrum swap for Nextel to keep emergency
radio spectrum clean from interference. We let you know that it was likely
to be approved, as late as yesterday.
>
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1725640,00.asp November 15th, 2004
The U.S. Government Accountability Office last week cleared the way for the
Federal Communications Commission to move Nextel Communications out of the
800MHz spectrum, where it interferes with police and fire department radio
signals, and into a higher-frequency
>
http://www.thestreet.com/tech/telecom/10169910.html July 8th, 2004
Federal regulators Thursday approved a deal handing Nextel (NXTL:Nasdaq -
news - research) a valuable and controversial swath of wireless spectrum.
>
http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,64142,00.html?tw=wn_story_related
July 8th, 2004
WASHINGTON -- Federal regulators unanimously approved a plan Thursday aimed
at eliminating cell-phone interference with hundreds of public-safety
communication systems around the country.
>
http://www.internetnews.com/wireless/article.php/3469601
February 7, 2005
Nextel Finalizes Spectrum Swap
By Roy Mark
Nextel made its controversial spectrum swap agreement official Monday,
agreeing to the terms of the complicated deal hammered out with the Federal
Communications Commission (FCC).
================================================
So, as of February, there is a positive committment. After following the
technology and bartering for the past 3 years, I did manage to miss this
last announcement. All previous ones have related to proposed sprectrum
swap. As you probably are aware the original 10 year window on Spectrum
Auction ended about the time these negotiations began.
>
> The reason for the multiple links is to show you that the news is anything
> but uncommon knowledge. If you had a clue about either the technology
> involved or the steps needed to complete the swap, you would not make the
> idiotic assumptions and observations written above.
Let's see; technology.....850Mhz as opposed to 1.9 GHz.... Quite a bit of
difference.
All new antennas at the site (at the least)..
Greatly increasing the density of the build out to offset the loss of range
in the higher frequencies.
Offsetting the effects of moisture, vegetation, and other things that "go
bump in the night" affecting the higher frequencies (most of the other
carriers have already done this and have absorbed the cost).
All new transmitters and receivers in the racks [For every channel, with
redundancy - up to the proposed 6:1 uinterleave - as they depart the 3:1
interleave that they had utilized in the past ] .
Possibly a change in the Coaxial Cable to a lower loss type. Possible
pressurized Gas hardline systems to maintain stability and give instant
indication of compromise in feed line quality.
New phones for every subscriber - Even though the current SIM and Codeplug
have provivions for GSM operation (proposedly for overseas operation) At
least for the Condor series. I am not at all familar with the Falcon series
or later. .
Scrapping the 900 MHz spill over, or continuing a build out to support their
off-network simplex enabled phones (if it is practical to continue the new
direction that they rolled out after the Feburary 2005 announcement that
they were leaving the Public Safety bands for spectrum over 2x the frequency
that they had just invested heavily in) .
Abandoning the latest push to compete in the prepaid arena, with the
expanded Boost network, while making a push to saturate the market with
phones that will (quickly?) become inefficient paperweights.
You are right, I don't begin to understand the complexities and cost
involved - the above are just a few random shots that don't even scratch the
surface.
> and if you don't want
> to believe the articles linked to in this post, visit the FCC website and
> search on "Nextel spectrum swap". It will show the timeline that the
> government set up to complete the process, along with the provisions of
> the
> agreement. You'll notice that some of those provisions were included in
> my
> last post. I don't have the need to make it up- try it some time.
>
I will concede that anything is possible; although I still haven't seen Pigs
that could fly. It is possible that Nextel could contract Motorola to build
a Dual Band, Dual Mode Iden phone
PRESS RELEASE
For Immediate Release
800 MHz Transition Administrator Contact: Brett Haan
c/o BearingPoint Phone: (888) 800-8220
1676 International Drive E-mail: Brett.Haan@800TA.org
McLean, VA 22102
800 MHz Transition Administrator Announces Start Date of 800 MHz Wave 1
Reconfiguration
Wave 1 of the Regional Prioritization Plan set to begin on June 27, 2005 for
non-NPSPAC Licensees
June 13, 2005, Washington, D.C. - The 800 MHz Transition Administrator
("TA") today announced that
Wave 1, Stage 1 reconfiguration will start on June 27, 2005 as previously
scheduled in the Regional
Prioritization Plan ("RPP"). "Wave 1" licensees are in National Public
Safety Planning Advisory
Committee ("NPSPAC") regions covering areas including much of the
Northeastern United States,
Northern California, Nevada, Oregon, Utah, Colorado and regions around the
greater Chicago area. 800
MHz licensees in the 806-809 MHz/851-854 MHz band, also known as "Channels
1-120", are considered
Stage 1 or non-NPSPAC licensees. The Federal Communications Commission
("FCC") issued a related
Public Notice on May 27, 2005
(http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-05-1546A1.pdf).
As required by the FCC, the TA developed a RPP that lists the order in which
the 55 800 MHz NPSPAC
regions will start the process of reconfiguration. The RPP defines four
"Waves" or groupings of NPSPAC
regions to be reconfigured. Within each NPSPAC region, Channels 1-120
("Stage 1") frequencies must
relocate prior to NPSPAC frequencies. To learn more about the RPP, the
reconfiguration Waves, or to
identify the assigned "Wave" for a given license or call sign please visit
the TA's website at
www.800TA.org.
800 MHz licensees should be aware of the following:
?? On May 3, 2005, the TA sent all Wave 1 licensees a reconfiguration
information package. This
package was mailed to the address on file with the FCC. If you are a Wave 1
licensee and have not
received this mailing, please contact the TA at comments@800TA.org or (888)
800-8220. The TA's
reconfiguration guidance is available at www.800TA.org.
?? A separate package will be mailed to Wave 1, Stage 1 licensees,
containing the TA's frequency
proposals for licensees' affected call signs. Completed Frequency Proposal
Reports (FPR) will be
mailed to the address on file with the FCC prior to June 27, 2005.
?? Licensees receiving FPRs will be contacted by Nextel to begin
reconfiguration negotiations. If you
are a Wave 1, Stage 1 licensee and do not hear from Nextel, you should
contact Nextel at
800MHz@Nextel.com.
?? Licensees in Waves 2 through 4 will receive information packages before
the start dates of their
reconfigurations. To facilitate this process, please ensure that your
license information on file with the
FCC is current. Licensees in Waves 2-4 can access the most recent
reconfiguration news by visiting
the TA's website at www.800TA.org.
About the 800 MHz Transition Administrator, LLC
800 MHz Transition Administrator, LLC ("TA LLC") is the Transition
Administrator ("TA") for the
reconfiguration of the 800 MHz band mandated by the Federal Communications
Commission ("FCC").
TA LLC has contracted with BearingPoint, Inc., Squire, Sanders & Dempsey
L.L.P. and Baseline
Telecom, Inc. to perform the duties of the TA. Among its duties, the TA
establishes reconfiguration
guidelines, specifies replacement channels, reviews reconfiguration cost
estimates, monitors payment of
reconfiguration costs, manages the relocation schedule, facilitates issue
resolution and administers the
alternate dispute resolution process. TA LLC uses information it receives
solely for the purposes of
administering the 800 MHz reconfiguration process and may disclose such
information to the FCC or
other authorized parties pursuant to the requirements of the 800 MHz Order
or other applicable laws.
**************************************************
As you can see from the most recent activity, the first stage starts Monday,
with Nextel in the drivers seat for the others to negotiate the
reconfiguration.
In the meantime, they will apparently still be expanding both their 900 MHz
coverage and 900 MHz off-network enabled phones; like the i315 and i325;
introduced in the past quarter.
With the current push to expand their 900 MHz utilization, and Nextel being
in charge of the spectrum reconfiguration, I see this as an eventual change
over, but probably not in the lifetime of a major portion of their current
customer base.
Keep in mind that 800 MHz analog operation is still ongoing, permitted by
the FCC at the discretion of the carrier.
Also, I assume that you have been around Cellular long enough to know how
well the industry held to the FCC's requirement for secure communications.
Congress even came up with the ECPA to regulate the public after the
Cellular Carrier's fail to meet the FCC's requirements.
If the FCC enforces this new proposal, it will be a pleasant surprise. If I
were Nextel, I would be more concerned about their tower lighting than
trying to meet the first deadline on this project....
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