System Builder Marathon, June 2010: $2,000 Performance PC

Page 5 - Seeking answers? Join the Tom's Hardware community: where nearly two million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.
Toggle sidebar Toggle sidebar
Status
Not open for further replies.

o you people even read the comments? Crashman explained why the builder chose the Three Hundred over the Storm Scout.
 

Yes there considering ATI instead of nVidia next time.
 
Dang I forgot to talk about the GPU.... Even if 2k was the budget I would not get that overpriced card. It is only for Die Hard Nvidia fanboys to goes by brand more than saving money, because price/performance that card is nowhere near ATi's Current gen at the same tier.
For the haters I don't care for brand I care about price/performance.
 
[citation][nom]Userremoved[/nom]o you people even read the comments? Crashman explained why the builder chose the Three Hundred over the Storm Scout.[/citation]
Really they explained it?!?! All I saw was the reasons why they chose that case, and the reason why I would rather chose the scout storm is because of its nice black finish inside, screwless design I did read why they didn't care for that. I posted for people in general and overall I recommend the Scout over the 300.
 
[citation][nom]sunburn74[/nom]Worst 2000 build ever. Period. GPU choice is a disaster. Case choice a disaster. Just a disaster overall[/citation]You seem awfully opinionated. BTW, Thomas reviews cases, Don reviews video cards, they did have a conversation that involved prior benchmark results before this combo was picked...[citation][nom]rutoojinn[/nom]For $10 more I would have gotten the Cooler Master Scout Storm case, the inside of that case just looks all around better than that Antec 300 case.[/citation]You're right, that case does look awesome, it's one that I might pick if all I cared about was looks. Too bad its fan layout isn't ideal for this system's component layout, as the Antec case is.[citation][nom]rutoojinn[/nom]Dang I forgot to talk about the GPU.... Even if 2k was the budget I would not get that overpriced card. It is only for Die Hard Nvidia fanboys to goes by brand more than saving money, because price/performance that card is nowhere near ATi's Current gen at the same tier.For the haters I don't care for brand I care about price/performance.[/citation]Perhaps only an ATI fanboy would make that particular analysis? Don loves ATI and he had the benchmark data to back up his recommendation to Thomas.[citation][nom]rutoojinn[/nom]All I saw was the reasons why they chose that case, and the reason why I would rather chose the scout storm is because of its nice black finish inside, screwless design I did read why they didn't care for that. I posted for people in general and overall I recommend the Scout over the 300.[/citation]The problem is that the builder chose the 300 over the Scout for its fan layout and proven-better ventilation. Yes, the aluminized finish on the inside of the 300 is more durable than the cheap black paint inside the Scout, but that wasn't a major part of the decision.

I think Userremoved actually made the most pertinent analysis of these comments:[citation][nom]Userremoved[/nom]How is it a disaster? I will agree other parts could have been chosen but it's not a disaster.[/citation]
 
Fanboy am I....
I am currently using an 8800gt about 2-3 years old because it is still awesome... But it would be nice for an upgrade.
 
Everyone has their opinions and when you notice the power consumption that should be the red flag on how efficient the build is. But yea the benchmarks show that the build isn't bad at least not a disaster.
 

People that dont have the proper data always defend the parts they use (see the Xbox vs Wii vs PS3 war) while you people have the proper data yet people still bash you by saying how they could have built a better system (unfortunately that what I was doing yesterday) ok maybe the parts are not the best but disaster would have been something like this:
The parts dont work properly together, if it would have stayed over 70 degrees (Celsius) even on idle, OCing would have gone bad, the PSu blows up, the CPU blows up, etc.

I think that another case could have been selected but they are the experts.
 
[citation][nom]Userremoved[/nom]People that dont have the proper data always defend the parts they use (see the Xbox vs Wii vs PS3 war) while you people have the proper data yet people still bash you by saying how they could have built a better system (unfortunately that what I was doing yesterday) ok maybe the parts are not the best but disaster would have been something like this:The parts dont work properly together, if it would have stayed over 70 degrees (Celsius) even on idle, OCing would have gone bad, the PSu blows up, the CPU blows up, etc.I think that another case could have been selected but they are the experts.[/citation]

Agree but these comments are just based on our own opinions, and they are our own ideas on how to improve the build.
 
[citation][nom]rutoojinn[/nom]Agree but these comments are just based on our own opinions, and they are our own ideas on how to improve the build.[/citation]
They are more in the form of complains more than suggestions.
 
[citation][nom]rutoojinn[/nom]Everyone has their opinions and when you notice the power consumption that should be the red flag on how efficient the build is. But yea the benchmarks show that the build isn't bad at least not a disaster.[/citation]Efficiency was the only failure in the build. A cheap-but-stable power supply was picked regardless of its inefficiency because efficiency wasn't to be a criteria in the price-vs-performance competition.
 
[citation][nom]Crashman[/nom]Nobody thought it would draw more than 750W peak load. Even so, the article has been revised to show that the actual power output was only 660W to 680W, well below the unit's limits.[/citation]

Mate, does nVidia underrating their power usage play into this at all? Is this the size PSU they recommend and are happy with? Sorry to be so offensive, but I can't think of a nicer way to say it.

 
[citation][nom]Relayer[/nom]Mate, does nVidia underrating their power usage play into this at all? Is this the size PSU they recommend and are happy with? Sorry to be so offensive, but I can't think of a nicer way to say it.[/citation]At super-peak 100% CPU + GPU load testing the power supply drew 858W from the wall, which according to the power supply manufacturer equals an output of roughly 670W. So what's the question?

Are you trying to imply that the graphics cards are consuming more power than the power supply is outputting?
 
[citation][nom]Crashman[/nom]Perhaps the games would have came out higher (I'm not sure how much CPU dual 480's really need), but I'm fairly sure the 965 would have had lower performance in the other 2/3 of benchmarks (Encoding/Productivity). You'll also need an Nvidia-chipset motherboard to run SLI with that 965. If you're looking to build a pure gaming machine, you should try those recommendations and get back to us with the benchmark results!So I've already been over how the HAF 922 specifically wouldn't have been a better PERFORMING case, but please enlighten me on how the Three Hundred is not suitable for SLI. Please explain your theory quickly and in great detail, so I can address it completely before another person makes a similar comment![/citation]
I did not tell you to go for the HAF, I just meant that there were a lot more options for 30$ more.That is because some other cases will allow better cable management.The 470 is 9.5 inches long while the Antec allows for a 11' card.So, you have little room left, as is evident from the pictures.Its always good to have extra room especially in an SLI setup.
 
[citation][nom]p4l1ndr0m3[/nom]Maybe you should take a look at a certain power supply "guru" website and brush up a little. Also, you say it is the "worst case scenario" with regard to these peak numbers. I'd hate to see someone with this machine run F@H on their GPU and CPU with any regularity.[/citation]You want people to brush up on theory and not let the facts get in their way? I hardly think that's a suitable approach.[citation][nom]Userremoved[/nom]I have another question😀id the PSU run hot and/or unstable?[/citation]Not at all.

 
i really enjoy reading these articles .. i keep saying one of these days ill be able to afford one of these .. systems until then ill just enter the contest and keep dreaming .... lol
 
The selection of power supply here seems questionable at best, especially with the CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX having a higher Newegg rating along with a huge number more reviews (1750 reviews for the Corsair vs 25 for the Silverstone??) Both PSUs feature the single +12V 60A rail goodness, but the Corsair has free shipping vs. the Silverstone's $12 shipping, and the Corsair has a $10 mail in rebate (which is offered June 1st - June 30th, i.e. it was available at the time this review was being written) making the Corsair cost roughly the same - if the Corsair were being sold at the original $139.99 price. The original price of the Corsair is listed at $139.99 but is dropped to $109.99 right now which makes it a better deal than the Silverstone by far, I suppose the price change could have happened in the 2 days since this review was written but seems unlikely...
 
[citation][nom]p4l1ndr0m3[/nom]I'm sorry, but that case is absolutely horrid. Perhaps Tom's is fine with excess vibration and subpar cooling abilities for $70, but I'm not. CM makes multiple cases in the $60-$80 price range that are better up to the task. Crashman, how can you quote yourself as fact when you yourself admitted that most of your "facts" are just top-of-the-head figures from your co-workers? Then you go on to even correct yourself after bashing a reader but continue with the same "I'm right and you're wrong because I write for Tom's Hardware" attitude. I am embarrassed for you and Tom's for letting this article see the light of day. There is a distinct lack of "quality" in this build. I hope the 6 pages of unhappy comments can prove that.Maybe you would be better off admitting that you used what was laying around the shop rather than pretending you actually purchased this stuff.[/citation]
Dude, there's already been 20 other people saying the exact same thing about the case. Crashman has already done a pretty thorough job of addressing and rebutting the concerns (cough*raging) of countless others who haven't found the time to read back a couple of posts and realize that they're repeating something that's already been wrapped up. This case actually performs quite well, especially at its price point, and despite the poor cable management.

The main goal of these performance builds is to assemble a system for as cheap as possible while still staying within its target price point ($2000 is a hard limit, not a goal). Best price to performance ratio at a given price point is the goal. So yes, that means cooling ability and airflow comes first in regards to choosing a case. So if buying a CoolerMaster that doesn't provide measurably better cooling or lower temps happens to be your personal preference, then by all means... but I'm guessing vibration isn't a primary concern unless it's somehow excessive or damaging.

And just a suggestion, but perhaps if your tone as well as the tone of some of the more opinionated on this thread were a little more civil, there wouldn't have been very much "I'm right and you're wrong because I write for Tom's Hardware attitude" to begin with. After several pages, it becomes somewhat difficult to respond to obliviously repetitive and offensive posts in a mild manner.
 
[citation][nom]rusvul[/nom]Corsair has a $10 mail in rebate (which is offered June 1st - June 30th, i.e. it was available at the time this review was being written)[/citation]Parts ordered end of April. Review submitted end of May. Price difference at that time was around $30 as I recall, and I don't pay attention to user reviews on parts I've already tested myself, because I trust myself more than a faceless post by someone I've never heard of.

If I'd wanted to spend more money on power, I'd have picked an 80-Plus Silver or higher power supply for its efficiency. I also wanted at least semi-modular cabling for photographic purposes, because I hate dealing with complaints about wiring appearance. So I would have been looking at the 850HX, not the 850TX, and the price difference would have been even greater.

Rebates don't count.
 
[citation][nom]dragonsqrrl[/nom]After several pages, it becomes somewhat difficult to respond to obliviously repetitive and offensive posts in a mild manner.[/citation]Thanks for being the voice of moderation.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

TRENDING THREADS

Latest posts

Moderators online

Share this page

COMPANY
RESOURCES
FOLLOW
Top Bottom