Tech Companies Dealing With Effects Of Trump's Immigration Ban

[littleleo]

Origins of the 19 hijackers from 9/11
Nationality Number

Saudi Arabia 15
United Arab Emirates 2
Egypt 1
Lebanon 1

1993 shootings at CIA Headquarters
The attacker: Pakistani national Mir Qazi

2009 Little Rock recruiting office shooting
The attacker: American Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, born Carlos Leon Bledsoe

2009 Fort Hood shooting
The attacker: Nidal Malik Hasan an American born in Arlington County, Virginia, to Palestinian parents who immigrated to the U.S. from the West Bank.

Boston Marathon bombing
The attackers: Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and Tamerlan Tsarnaev Chechen-American brothers

Curtis Culwell Center attack
The attackers: Elton Simpson an American was born in Illinois and raised in suburban Westmontand, and Nadir Hamid Soofi Soofi's American he was born at Presbyterian Hospital of Dallas and lived in Garland uthen moved to Plano, Texas, and then Alabama

2015 Chattanooga shootings
The attacker: Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez a naturalized American citizen, was born in Kuwait

2015 San Bernardino attack
The attackers: Syed Rizwan Farook was an American-born U.S. citizen of Pakistani descent and Tashfeen Malik a Pakistani-born permanent resident

2016 Orlando nightclub shooting
The attacker, Omar Mateen, American born, New York. His parents were Afghan

2016 Ohio State University attack
The attacker, Somali refugee Abdul Razak Ali Artan

7 Countries in the Trump Muslin ban:
Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen

So only one of the terrorist attacks carried out in the USA from before the 9/11 attack till now was carried out by anyone from the countries on Trump Ban list. Somalia and the guys family said he was mad about Trump's anti-Muslim shtick. All the other countries that the terrorist came from, plus Alabama, Texas and Virginia are not on the ban list.

However none of those countries has any Trump business or Hotels. This ban has nothing to do with making America safer, just making Trump more money.

http://cis.org/vaughan/study-reveals-72-terrorists-came-countries-covered-trump-vetting-order
But that isn't counting the attackers we STOP before they commit a crime. Such as the 72 that ARE from the 7 countries on the list that have been thwarted since 9/11. Do we have to wait for a bunch of people to be killed before the argument counts? I say that is too late then.

"The United States has admitted terrorists from all of the seven dangerous countries:

Somalia: 20
Yemen: 19
Iraq: 19
Syria: 7
Iran: 4
Libya: 2
Sudan: 1
Total: 72

According to the report, at least 17 individuals entered as refugees from these terror-prone countries. Three came in on student visas and one arrived on a diplomatic visa.

At least 25 of these immigrants eventually became citizens. Ten were lawful permanent residents, and four were illegal aliens. "

You can read the rest yourself. That is without Obama helping since he wouldn't five information up. It will take more digging to find more now that trump has access to the data.

So we stopped all that came from those 7 countries then I fail to see why we need an additional ban. Beside lets be real if a terrorist really wants to get in they will travel thru several countries changing identities and come in from Canada or Mexico and totally avoid the ban.

 

[bit_user]

Who's blowing things out of proportion? My perspective is pretty good IMHO. I'm not worried about USA pulling a holocaust...jeez. That is ridiculous.

Yeah, and I didn't say that, either. I specifically cited Kristallnacht. And I do think something similar could happen in the US, where anti-muslim rhetoric gets amped to such a level. Then, once an attack occurs - however small - that plays into that narrative, the backlash is fierce and shocking.

The point is that words and policies can have consequences, and set into motion forces that are difficult to control. It's happened time and again, if you care to look through history - politicians whipping up, trying to harness, and eventually losing control of such sentiments. So, we must take care to adhere to our values and principles.

Our founders knew that tyranny of the majority is dangerous, and tried to build in safeguards to prevent it. But those safeguards take work to uphold, and it's far better to avoid depending on them. Like all human institutions, they're fallible.

I'm pretty sure the jews didn't do anything to bring it on either (were they chanting death to germany in the streets??).

Learn some history, or at least read the summary (see link). An assassination by a Jew is exactly the match that lit the powder. I'm not blaming them for it, but the Germans did, and that's was my point.

Other countries have already been trying it YOUR way, and they're now blowing up etc 😉 No thanks.

That's exactly what I was talking about. Nobody is "blowing up". If you compare terrorist attacks to any crime-related cause of death, it's still tiny. I wish it were zero, but I'm arguing that we should not be trying to reduce it to zero at all costs, because the cost of actually doing that is far too high. I don't want to live in a police state, thank you.

And I think rhetoric which plays up the idea of any kind of religious war is dangerous and probably counterproductive. That's all I'm saying.

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

--Benjamin Franklin

Nobody has the RIGHT to come here.

I'll end on this point of agreement. Countries should act in self-interest, although broadly and fairly.

As it applies to immigration, I'm definitely on board with vetting people, but do so in a fair and non-discriminatory fashion. And not falling prey to the delusion that you can realistically filter out every single person who might eventually get radicalized. When we're talking about millions of people, over a period of decades, you can't simply rely on vetting to as the sole source of security. And when one does slip through, don't see it as an indictment of the entire system, but look critically at how they got through and see if any mistakes that were made that can be addressed.

I also think we can agree that refugees deserve refuge, but it shouldn't be a backdoor to the immigration system. Failure to adopt sane refugee policies (such as preventing them from getting to choose where they get to settle, and then allowing them to apply for citizenship rather than just getting to stay until their home country settles down) has now lead to a situation where Western countries are no longer accepting them. Which is certainly worse than accepting them on less generous terms. So, we can probably also agree that the refugee system is too easily exploited and has finally become untenable.

I think we probably agree more than not, eh?

 

[littleleo]

Actually I'm worried all the anti Trump factions might unite and start targeting Trump hotels in the US. Then the Pres will order states to send out the NG to protect them and we'll spiral down in to chaos. All these anti Trump groups need to take a chill pill and cool it a bit.

And poor Sweden I here there was a fake news Trump attack... sorry I couldn't help it you can't make this stuff up... unless you're the Donald.