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My very first adventure game was Zork. My very first graphical
adventure game was Temple of Apshai. I've been feeling nostalgic about it.

I have tried unsuccessfully for some time to track down the current
copyright holder of Temple of Apshai. I'm pretty sure it is abandonware.

I am now about to go ahead with a pseudo-port of Temple of Apshai into
the Neverwinter Nights environment (as part of a larger project). If
you are the current copyright holder for this game, please contact me
ASAP if you have a problem with this (before I have devoted significant
time & effort into the project).
 
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John Baker <baker-j@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>My very first adventure game was Zork. My very first graphical
>adventure game was Temple of Apshai. I've been feeling nostalgic about it.
>
>I have tried unsuccessfully for some time to track down the current
>copyright holder of Temple of Apshai. I'm pretty sure it is abandonware.
>
>I am now about to go ahead with a pseudo-port of Temple of Apshai into
>the Neverwinter Nights environment (as part of a larger project). If
>you are the current copyright holder for this game, please contact me
>ASAP if you have a problem with this (before I have devoted significant
>time & effort into the project).

Hasbro owns the copyrights now. They had been bought by 3 other
companies previously so I doubt Hasbro even know they own them.
That's an interesting thought though. If you ask them and they say they
don't own the rights then they would NEVER be able to sue you for it.
 
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"Bateau" <Gamera@work.stomping.aza> wrote in message
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> John Baker <baker-j@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >My very first adventure game was Zork. My very first graphical
> >adventure game was Temple of Apshai. I've been feeling nostalgic about
it.
> >
> >I have tried unsuccessfully for some time to track down the current
> >copyright holder of Temple of Apshai. I'm pretty sure it is abandonware.
> >
> >I am now about to go ahead with a pseudo-port of Temple of Apshai into
> >the Neverwinter Nights environment (as part of a larger project). If
> >you are the current copyright holder for this game, please contact me
> >ASAP if you have a problem with this (before I have devoted significant
> >time & effort into the project).
>
> Hasbro owns the copyrights now. They had been bought by 3 other
> companies previously so I doubt Hasbro even know they own them.
> That's an interesting thought though. If you ask them and they say they
> don't own the rights then they would NEVER be able to sue you for it.

Oh? Ya sure???
 
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Bateau wrote:
| John Baker <baker-j@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
|
|>My very first adventure game was Zork. My very first graphical
|>adventure game was Temple of Apshai. I've been feeling nostalgic
about it.
|>
|>I have tried unsuccessfully for some time to track down the current
|>copyright holder of Temple of Apshai. I'm pretty sure it is abandonware.
|>
|>I am now about to go ahead with a pseudo-port of Temple of Apshai into
|>the Neverwinter Nights environment (as part of a larger project). If
|>you are the current copyright holder for this game, please contact me
|>ASAP if you have a problem with this (before I have devoted significant
|>time & effort into the project).
|
|
| Hasbro owns the copyrights now. They had been bought by 3 other
| companies previously so I doubt Hasbro even know they own them.
| That's an interesting thought though. If you ask them and they say they
| don't own the rights then they would NEVER be able to sue you for it.

The worst that would happen is a nasty letter from their lawyers, but to
be honest I doubt they care much either way - it's not going to cause
them any loss of revenue.

- --
Leo Fellmann
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Good luck with that. I remember that game as the first commercial game I
ever owned. It also introduced me to the concepts of computer crashes,
for which reason I never did complete it. I'd love to see it as a port
to Neverwinter Nights.
 
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Bateau wrote:
> Hasbro owns the copyrights now. They had been bought by 3 other
> companies previously so I doubt Hasbro even know they own them.
> That's an interesting thought though. If you ask them and they say they
> don't own the rights then they would NEVER be able to sue you for it.

I got a reply from Hasbro. They say it's not theirs and mentioned
Keypunch Software. They've been defunct forever now too, right?

Anyone know who got the stuff that belonged to them?
 
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Brian G. Vaughan wrote:
> Good luck with that. I remember that game as the first commercial game I
> ever owned. It also introduced me to the concepts of computer crashes,
> for which reason I never did complete it. I'd love to see it as a port
> to Neverwinter Nights.

<humor>
You must have been playing on a Com64. My state-of-the-art Atari400
(upgraded to double the normal amount of memory - 32K) complete with
membrane keyboard never crashed while playing ToA.
Signed- Atari400 Fanboy
</humor>
 
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"Insane Ranter" <spam@not.me> wrote:
>"Bateau" <Gamera@work.stomping.aza> wrote in message
>news:dalrg050q1o3q0fo3mqup8fcgrs4enckfr@4ax.com...
>> John Baker <baker-j@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> >My very first adventure game was Zork. My very first graphical
>> >adventure game was Temple of Apshai. I've been feeling nostalgic about
>it.
>> >
>> >I have tried unsuccessfully for some time to track down the current
>> >copyright holder of Temple of Apshai. I'm pretty sure it is abandonware.
>> >
>> >I am now about to go ahead with a pseudo-port of Temple of Apshai into
>> >the Neverwinter Nights environment (as part of a larger project). If
>> >you are the current copyright holder for this game, please contact me
>> >ASAP if you have a problem with this (before I have devoted significant
>> >time & effort into the project).
>>
>> Hasbro owns the copyrights now. They had been bought by 3 other
>> companies previously so I doubt Hasbro even know they own them.
>> That's an interesting thought though. If you ask them and they say they
>> don't own the rights then they would NEVER be able to sue you for it.
>
>Oh? Ya sure???

Yes. If they sued you for using something they told you they didn't own
it would be extortion.
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Bateau wrote:
| "Insane Ranter" <spam@not.me> wrote:
|
|>"Bateau" <Gamera@work.stomping.aza> wrote in message
|>news:dalrg050q1o3q0fo3mqup8fcgrs4enckfr@4ax.com...
|>
|>>John Baker <baker-j@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
|>>
|>>>My very first adventure game was Zork. My very first graphical
|>>>adventure game was Temple of Apshai. I've been feeling nostalgic about
|>
|>it.
|>
|>>>I have tried unsuccessfully for some time to track down the current
|>>>copyright holder of Temple of Apshai. I'm pretty sure it is
abandonware.
|>>>
|>>>I am now about to go ahead with a pseudo-port of Temple of Apshai into
|>>>the Neverwinter Nights environment (as part of a larger project). If
|>>>you are the current copyright holder for this game, please contact me
|>>>ASAP if you have a problem with this (before I have devoted significant
|>>>time & effort into the project).
|>>
|>>Hasbro owns the copyrights now. They had been bought by 3 other
|>>companies previously so I doubt Hasbro even know they own them.
|>>That's an interesting thought though. If you ask them and they say they
|>>don't own the rights then they would NEVER be able to sue you for it.
|>
|>Oh? Ya sure???
|
|
| Yes. If they sued you for using something they told you they didn't own
| it would be extortion.

Only if they gave you no prior warning.

- --
Leo Fellmann
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Leo Fellmann <l.fellmann@free.fr> wrote:
>Bateau wrote:
>| "Insane Ranter" <spam@not.me> wrote:
>|
>|>"Bateau" <Gamera@work.stomping.aza> wrote in message
>|>news:dalrg050q1o3q0fo3mqup8fcgrs4enckfr@4ax.com...
>|>
>|>>John Baker <baker-j@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>|>>
>|>>>My very first adventure game was Zork. My very first graphical
>|>>>adventure game was Temple of Apshai. I've been feeling nostalgic about
>|>
>|>it.
>|>
>|>>>I have tried unsuccessfully for some time to track down the current
>|>>>copyright holder of Temple of Apshai. I'm pretty sure it is
>abandonware.
>|>>>
>|>>>I am now about to go ahead with a pseudo-port of Temple of Apshai into
>|>>>the Neverwinter Nights environment (as part of a larger project). If
>|>>>you are the current copyright holder for this game, please contact me
>|>>>ASAP if you have a problem with this (before I have devoted significant
>|>>>time & effort into the project).
>|>>
>|>>Hasbro owns the copyrights now. They had been bought by 3 other
>|>>companies previously so I doubt Hasbro even know they own them.
>|>>That's an interesting thought though. If you ask them and they say they
>|>>don't own the rights then they would NEVER be able to sue you for it.
>|>
>|>Oh? Ya sure???
>|
>| Yes. If they sued you for using something they told you they didn't own
>| it would be extortion.
>
>Only if they gave you no prior warning.

No. Merely threatening to sue you would be extortion.
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.-'`-.
/ | | \
/ | | \
|___|_|__ |
||<o>| <o>`|
|| J_ )|
`|`-'__`-'|/
| `--' |
.-| |_
.-' \ / | |`-.
.-' `. /| | \
/ ````' | | \
|_____ | | L
.-' ___ `-. F F | | ||`-.___
.'.-' | `-. `. J J / | || _.>
/ /| | |`. \ | | |/ | ||_.-'
/ / | | | `. `. F F | |==============================
J / | | | \ L J J | | `:::::::. `:::::::.
FJ | | | |L J/ / | \ :::::::. :::::::\
J |() | () | () | () | J L/ | | ::::::: :::::::L
| F | .-'_ \ | | LJ | / L :::::::: :::::::J
| L | / \\ | | | L | | :::::::: ::::::::L
| L || ):|| | | | /| L :::::::: ::::::::|
J | ||:._.'::|| | | |----' | | :::::::: ::::::::| .---.
J | |J:::::::|| | | | _/\ | :::::::: ::::::::| /(@ o`.
LJ | \:::::/ | | | |---'\ | | :::::::: ::::::::| | /^^^
J L | `-:-' | | | F | \ | J :::::::: ::::::::| \ . \vvv
LJ()| () | () | () | F F | \ \--._L :::::::: ::::::::| \ `--'
J \ | | | | J J \ | | :::::::: ::::::::| \ `.
\ \| | | | / / | | | :::::::: ::::::::| L \
\ \ | | |/ /| | | .-'| :::::::: ::::::::| | \
`.`. | | .'.' | | |/ /`L :::::::: ::::::::| | L
| `.`-.____|.-'.-' | | | <`. \ :::::::: ::::::::| | |
| | `-.______.-' | \| |_`::\ `. :::::::: ::::::::| F |
| J\ | | | | /: \::. \:::::::: ::::::::F / |
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| | L | |\ |\ /| /| |\ /|
| | \ | | \ | \ // // | \ || |\
J | `. | ||\\ ||\\ // // ||\\ || ||
L F )`---\ || >> || \\ / | << || \\ || ||
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J J ( `-. |// | \ || |/ || \\ | \ || || ||
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Bateau wrote:
| Leo Fellmann <l.fellmann@free.fr> wrote:
|
|>Bateau wrote:
|>| "Insane Ranter" <spam@not.me> wrote:
|>|
|>|>"Bateau" <Gamera@work.stomping.aza> wrote in message
|>|>news:dalrg050q1o3q0fo3mqup8fcgrs4enckfr@4ax.com...
|>|>
|>|>>John Baker <baker-j@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
|>|>>
|>|>>>My very first adventure game was Zork. My very first graphical
|>|>>>adventure game was Temple of Apshai. I've been feeling nostalgic
about
|>|>
|>|>it.
|>|>
|>|>>>I have tried unsuccessfully for some time to track down the current
|>|>>>copyright holder of Temple of Apshai. I'm pretty sure it is
|>abandonware.
|>|>>>
|>|>>>I am now about to go ahead with a pseudo-port of Temple of Apshai into
|>|>>>the Neverwinter Nights environment (as part of a larger project). If
|>|>>>you are the current copyright holder for this game, please contact me
|>|>>>ASAP if you have a problem with this (before I have devoted
significant
|>|>>>time & effort into the project).
|>|>>
|>|>>Hasbro owns the copyrights now. They had been bought by 3 other
|>|>>companies previously so I doubt Hasbro even know they own them.
|>|>>That's an interesting thought though. If you ask them and they say they
|>|>>don't own the rights then they would NEVER be able to sue you for it.
|>|>
|>|>Oh? Ya sure???
|>|
|>| Yes. If they sued you for using something they told you they didn't own
|>| it would be extortion.
|>
|>Only if they gave you no prior warning.
|
|
| No. Merely threatening to sue you would be extortion.

Not if they make attempts to resolve the matter beforehand. I agree that
it would be the case if they suddenly pop up out of the blue 6 months
later and go "give us money or we'll sue you for mucho dollars" or
somesuch, but if you get a letter along the lines of "there has been
amistake we do own the rights after all, can you please stop" and tell
em to eff off they probably can sue you sucessfully.
Not that this is incredibly relevant since they couldn't exactly claim
much in the way of damages.

- --
Leo Fellmann
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"Leo Fellmann" <l.fellmann@free.fr> wrote in message
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> |>Only if they gave you no prior warning.
> |
> |
> | No. Merely threatening to sue you would be extortion.
>
> Not if they make attempts to resolve the matter beforehand. I agree that
> it would be the case if they suddenly pop up out of the blue 6 months
> later and go "give us money or we'll sue you for mucho dollars" or
> somesuch, but if you get a letter along the lines of "there has been
> amistake we do own the rights after all, can you please stop" and tell
> em to eff off they probably can sue you sucessfully.
> Not that this is incredibly relevant since they couldn't exactly claim
> much in the way of damages.
>
> - --
> Leo Fellmann
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Would either you or Bateau be lawyers?



Windigo
 
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Windigo wrote:
| "Leo Fellmann" <l.fellmann@free.fr> wrote in message
| news:2n7tnrFt8uffU1@uni-berlin.de...
|
|
|
| |>Only if they gave you no prior warning.
| |
| |
| | No. Merely threatening to sue you would be extortion.
|
| Not if they make attempts to resolve the matter beforehand. I agree that
| it would be the case if they suddenly pop up out of the blue 6 months
| later and go "give us money or we'll sue you for mucho dollars" or
| somesuch, but if you get a letter along the lines of "there has been
| amistake we do own the rights after all, can you please stop" and tell
| em to eff off they probably can sue you sucessfully.
| Not that this is incredibly relevant since they couldn't exactly claim
| much in the way of damages.
|
| --
| Leo Fellmann

| Would either you or Bateau be lawyers?

IANAL. OTOH I have one close by.

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Leo Fellmann
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"Leo Fellmann" <l.fellmann@free.fr> wrote in message
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> Windigo wrote:
> | "Leo Fellmann" <l.fellmann@free.fr> wrote in message
> | news:2n7tnrFt8uffU1@uni-berlin.de...
> |
> |
> |
> | |>Only if they gave you no prior warning.
> | |
> | |
> | | No. Merely threatening to sue you would be extortion.
> |
> | Not if they make attempts to resolve the matter beforehand. I agree that
> | it would be the case if they suddenly pop up out of the blue 6 months
> | later and go "give us money or we'll sue you for mucho dollars" or
> | somesuch, but if you get a letter along the lines of "there has been
> | amistake we do own the rights after all, can you please stop" and tell
> | em to eff off they probably can sue you sucessfully.
> | Not that this is incredibly relevant since they couldn't exactly claim
> | much in the way of damages.
> |
> | --
> | Leo Fellmann
>
> | Would either you or Bateau be lawyers?
>
> IANAL. OTOH I have one close by.

You keep him in your pocket?
 
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Leo Fellmann <l.fellmann@free.fr> wrote:
>Bateau wrote:
>| Leo Fellmann <l.fellmann@free.fr> wrote:
>|
>|>Bateau wrote:
>|>| "Insane Ranter" <spam@not.me> wrote:
>|>|
>|>|>"Bateau" <Gamera@work.stomping.aza> wrote in message
>|>|>news:dalrg050q1o3q0fo3mqup8fcgrs4enckfr@4ax.com...
>|>|>
>|>|>>John Baker <baker-j@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>|>|>>
>|>|>>>My very first adventure game was Zork. My very first graphical
>|>|>>>adventure game was Temple of Apshai. I've been feeling nostalgic
>about
>|>|>
>|>|>it.
>|>|>
>|>|>>>I have tried unsuccessfully for some time to track down the current
>|>|>>>copyright holder of Temple of Apshai. I'm pretty sure it is
>|>abandonware.
>|>|>>>
>|>|>>>I am now about to go ahead with a pseudo-port of Temple of Apshai into
>|>|>>>the Neverwinter Nights environment (as part of a larger project). If
>|>|>>>you are the current copyright holder for this game, please contact me
>|>|>>>ASAP if you have a problem with this (before I have devoted
>significant
>|>|>>>time & effort into the project).
>|>|>>
>|>|>>Hasbro owns the copyrights now. They had been bought by 3 other
>|>|>>companies previously so I doubt Hasbro even know they own them.
>|>|>>That's an interesting thought though. If you ask them and they say they
>|>|>>don't own the rights then they would NEVER be able to sue you for it.
>|>|>
>|>|>Oh? Ya sure???
>|>|
>|>| Yes. If they sued you for using something they told you they didn't own
>|>| it would be extortion.
>|>
>|>Only if they gave you no prior warning.
>|
>| No. Merely threatening to sue you would be extortion.
>
>Not if they make attempts to resolve the matter beforehand. I agree that
>it would be the case if they suddenly pop up out of the blue 6 months
>later and go "give us money or we'll sue you for mucho dollars" or
>somesuch, but if you get a letter along the lines of "there has been
>amistake we do own the rights after all, can you please stop" and tell
>em to eff off they probably can sue you sucessfully.
>Not that this is incredibly relevant since they couldn't exactly claim
>much in the way of damages.

If they deny ownership they give up all right to control its use. If you
don't bother protecting your IP you lose it. They would know they would
never win if they sued, and any judge would know they know that, so he
would kick their asses too.
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/ | `-----' || >> || || || // || || \\ ||
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J J | / |/ || |/ \\ |/ || \ |
J | |/ \| \| \| \|
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Bateau wrote:
> If they deny ownership they give up all right to control its use. If you
> don't bother protecting your IP you lose it. They would know they would
> never win if they sued, and any judge would know they know that, so he
> would kick their asses too.


A) Denying ownership does not place anything in the public domain.

B) Not protecting copyright does not cause one to lose copyright. (That
particular interpretation is generally only applied to trademarks, and,
in some cases, patents.)

C) Learn to trim.

D) Get a smaller sig.
--
Barry Scott Will
Pyric RPG Publications
http://www.pyric.com/
 
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John Baker <baker-j@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Bateau wrote:
>> Hasbro owns the copyrights now. They had been bought by 3 other
>> companies previously so I doubt Hasbro even know they own them.
>> That's an interesting thought though. If you ask them and they say they
>> don't own the rights then they would NEVER be able to sue you for it.
>
>I got a reply from Hasbro. They say it's not theirs and mentioned
>Keypunch Software. They've been defunct forever now too, right?
>
>Anyone know who got the stuff that belonged to them?

They "mentioned" it?
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|| J_ )|
`|`-'__`-'|/
| `--' |
.-| |_
.-' \ / | |`-.
.-' `. /| | \
/ ````' | | \
|_____ | | L
.-' ___ `-. F F | | ||`-.___
.'.-' | `-. `. J J / | || _.>
/ /| | |`. \ | | |/ | ||_.-'
/ / | | | `. `. F F | |==============================
J / | | | \ L J J | | `:::::::. `:::::::.
FJ | | | |L J/ / | \ :::::::. :::::::\
J |() | () | () | () | J L/ | | ::::::: :::::::L
| F | .-'_ \ | | LJ | / L :::::::: :::::::J
| L | / \\ | | | L | | :::::::: ::::::::L
| L || ):|| | | | /| L :::::::: ::::::::|
J | ||:._.'::|| | | |----' | | :::::::: ::::::::| .---.
J | |J:::::::|| | | | _/\ | :::::::: ::::::::| /(@ o`.
LJ | \:::::/ | | | |---'\ | | :::::::: ::::::::| | /^^^
J L | `-:-' | | | F | \ | J :::::::: ::::::::| \ . \vvv
LJ()| () | () | () | F F | \ \--._L :::::::: ::::::::| \ `--'
J \ | | | | J J \ | | :::::::: ::::::::| \ `.
\ \| | | | / / | | | :::::::: ::::::::| L \
\ \ | | |/ /| | | .-'| :::::::: ::::::::| | \
`.`. | | .'.' | | |/ /`L :::::::: ::::::::| | L
| `.`-.____|.-'.-' | | | <`. \ :::::::: ::::::::| | |
| | `-.______.-' | \| |_`::\ `. :::::::: ::::::::| F |
| J\ | | | | /: \::. \:::::::: ::::::::F / |
| L\|--| | _.--|:: `::\ `.:::::: .:::::::J / F
J J |\\|-.____ |__.-' |: \::. \:::: ::::::::F .' J
L \| >|| `--' J |' .`::\ `.:' .::::::::/ .' F
J |//JJ | L |---. .--\::. \---. .---. <---< J
L |< |J |\=/| ( _ \=/ _ `::\ `. \=/ _ \=/ _ \ /
J |\\|J | | / )_) | (_) \::. \ | (_) | (_) | /
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\| |L ` )/ )` `' '|`---// `---// `\::. \ `---// `---' .'
VK________| L_\ ' /___/ ' | |___//______//_____`::\ |___//_________.'_________
F F J`` -'| | | | | \:_|
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| | L | |\ |\ /| /| |\ /|
| | \ | | \ | \ // // | \ || |\
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L F )`---\ || >> || \\ / | << || \\ || ||
| J / `. ||// || || //|| \\ || || || ||
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| J `. ) ||\\ || \ | || // || \ | || ||
/ | `-----' || >> || || || // || || \\ ||
/ F ||// || || || << || || \\||
J J | / |/ || |/ \\ |/ || \ |
J | |/ \| \| \| \|
`-.-' K I N G O F T H E M O N S T E R S
 
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Bateau wrote:
> John Baker <baker-j@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>I got a reply from Hasbro. They say it's not theirs and mentioned
>>Keypunch Software. They've been defunct forever now too, right?
>
> They "mentioned" it?

"Although we manufacture many quality products, Hasbro Inc. does not
manufacture this particular product. It would appear it was owned by
Keypunch Software."

Note the 'was'.
 
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"Bateau" <Gamera@work.stomping.aza> wrote in message
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>any judge would know they know that, so he
> would kick their asses too.

Kamamai their butts huh?
 
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Bateau wrote:
| Leo Fellmann <l.fellmann@free.fr> wrote:
|
|>Bateau wrote:
|>| Leo Fellmann <l.fellmann@free.fr> wrote:
|>|
|>|>Bateau wrote:
|>|>| "Insane Ranter" <spam@not.me> wrote:
|>|>|
|>|>|>"Bateau" <Gamera@work.stomping.aza> wrote in message
|>|>|>news:dalrg050q1o3q0fo3mqup8fcgrs4enckfr@4ax.com...
|>|>|>
|>|>|>>John Baker <baker-j@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>>>My very first adventure game was Zork. My very first graphical
|>|>|>>>adventure game was Temple of Apshai. I've been feeling nostalgic
|>about
|>|>|>
|>|>|>it.
|>|>|>
|>|>|>>>I have tried unsuccessfully for some time to track down the current
|>|>|>>>copyright holder of Temple of Apshai. I'm pretty sure it is
|>|>abandonware.
|>|>|>>>
|>|>|>>>I am now about to go ahead with a pseudo-port of Temple of
Apshai into
|>|>|>>>the Neverwinter Nights environment (as part of a larger
project). If
|>|>|>>>you are the current copyright holder for this game, please
contact me
|>|>|>>>ASAP if you have a problem with this (before I have devoted
|>significant
|>|>|>>>time & effort into the project).
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>>Hasbro owns the copyrights now. They had been bought by 3 other
|>|>|>>companies previously so I doubt Hasbro even know they own them.
|>|>|>>That's an interesting thought though. If you ask them and they
say they
|>|>|>>don't own the rights then they would NEVER be able to sue you for it.
|>|>|>
|>|>|>Oh? Ya sure???
|>|>|
|>|>| Yes. If they sued you for using something they told you they
didn't own
|>|>| it would be extortion.
|>|>
|>|>Only if they gave you no prior warning.
|>|
|>| No. Merely threatening to sue you would be extortion.
|>
|>Not if they make attempts to resolve the matter beforehand. I agree that
|>it would be the case if they suddenly pop up out of the blue 6 months
|>later and go "give us money or we'll sue you for mucho dollars" or
|>somesuch, but if you get a letter along the lines of "there has been
|>amistake we do own the rights after all, can you please stop" and tell
|>em to eff off they probably can sue you sucessfully.
|>Not that this is incredibly relevant since they couldn't exactly claim
|>much in the way of damages.
|
|
| If they deny ownership they give up all right to control its use. If you
| don't bother protecting your IP you lose it.

You're getting confused here. We're discussing copyrights, not
trademarks. It is the case that you have to actively protect your
trademark but this is not the case where copyrights are concerned.
Calling it "IP" is probably a bad idea.


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"John Baker" <baker-j@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> Bateau wrote:
>> John Baker <baker-j@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>> I got a reply from Hasbro. They say it's not theirs and mentioned
>>> Keypunch Software. They've been defunct forever now too, right?
>>
>> They "mentioned" it?
>
> "Although we manufacture many quality products, Hasbro Inc. does not
> manufacture this particular product. It would appear it was owned by
> Keypunch Software."
>
> Note the 'was'.

Note also that they say it's not their product. That statement ("was"
included) should probably be read as "We don't own it. It looks like Keypunch
owned it. We can't say if they still own it, because we're not Keypunch. Try
asking them." (At least, that's how I would read that statement.)

--
Brian Perler bperler@sprynet.com
"It was the first new century / In one hundred years."
-"Case Closed" opening theme
 
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"John Baker" <baker-j@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:hCQOc.92251$fv.14495@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
> My very first adventure game was Zork. My very first graphical
> adventure game was Temple of Apshai. I've been feeling nostalgic about
it.
>
> I have tried unsuccessfully for some time to track down the current
> copyright holder of Temple of Apshai. I'm pretty sure it is abandonware.
>
> I am now about to go ahead with a pseudo-port of Temple of Apshai into
> the Neverwinter Nights environment (as part of a larger project). If
> you are the current copyright holder for this game, please contact me
> ASAP if you have a problem with this (before I have devoted significant
> time & effort into the project).
>

Keypunch Software was founded by Paul Rinde. He's currently CEO at Bold
Games.
www.boldgames.com

763-231-8000




Windigo:
Bold Games
13755 1st Ave North, Suite 500
Plymouth, MN 55441
763-231-8000
 
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Barry Scott Will <nwn_usenet@cavecreations.net> wrote:
>Bateau wrote:
>> If they deny ownership they give up all right to control its use. If you
>> don't bother protecting your IP you lose it. They would know they would
>> never win if they sued, and any judge would know they know that, so he
>> would kick their asses too.
>
>A) Denying ownership does not place anything in the public domain.
>
>B) Not protecting copyright does not cause one to lose copyright. (That
>particular interpretation is generally only applied to trademarks, and,
>in some cases, patents.)
>
>C) Learn to trim.
>
>D) Get a smaller sig.

You want to join us in the real world sometime?
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|| J_ )|
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.-' \ / | |`-.
.-' `. /| | \
/ ````' | | \
|_____ | | L
.-' ___ `-. F F | | ||`-.___
.'.-' | `-. `. J J / | || _.>
/ /| | |`. \ | | |/ | ||_.-'
/ / | | | `. `. F F | |==============================
J / | | | \ L J J | | `:::::::. `:::::::.
FJ | | | |L J/ / | \ :::::::. :::::::\
J |() | () | () | () | J L/ | | ::::::: :::::::L
| F | .-'_ \ | | LJ | / L :::::::: :::::::J
| L | / \\ | | | L | | :::::::: ::::::::L
| L || ):|| | | | /| L :::::::: ::::::::|
J | ||:._.'::|| | | |----' | | :::::::: ::::::::| .---.
J | |J:::::::|| | | | _/\ | :::::::: ::::::::| /(@ o`.
LJ | \:::::/ | | | |---'\ | | :::::::: ::::::::| | /^^^
J L | `-:-' | | | F | \ | J :::::::: ::::::::| \ . \vvv
LJ()| () | () | () | F F | \ \--._L :::::::: ::::::::| \ `--'
J \ | | | | J J \ | | :::::::: ::::::::| \ `.
\ \| | | | / / | | | :::::::: ::::::::| L \
\ \ | | |/ /| | | .-'| :::::::: ::::::::| | \
`.`. | | .'.' | | |/ /`L :::::::: ::::::::| | L
| `.`-.____|.-'.-' | | | <`. \ :::::::: ::::::::| | |
| | `-.______.-' | \| |_`::\ `. :::::::: ::::::::| F |
| J\ | | | | /: \::. \:::::::: ::::::::F / |
| L\|--| | _.--|:: `::\ `.:::::: .:::::::J / F
J J |\\|-.____ |__.-' |: \::. \:::: ::::::::F .' J
L \| >|| `--' J |' .`::\ `.:' .::::::::/ .' F
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| | L | |\ |\ /| /| |\ /|
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L F )`---\ || >> || \\ / | << || \\ || ||
| J / `. ||// || || //|| \\ || || || ||
J J ( `-. |// | \ || |/ || \\ | \ || || ||
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| J `. ) ||\\ || \ | || // || \ | || ||
/ | `-----' || >> || || || // || || \\ ||
/ F ||// || || || << || || \\||
J J | / |/ || |/ \\ |/ || \ |
J | |/ \| \| \| \|
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"Bateau" <Gamera@work.stomping.aza> wrote in message
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> Barry Scott Will <nwn_usenet@cavecreations.net> wrote:
> >Bateau wrote:


Barry gave you some good advice. The sig took a lot of work and is really
cool, once. After that it's just in the way. I do think you show
incredible balls by referring to the "real world" in a fantasy RPG newsgroup
post.




Windigo.
 
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Bateau wrote:
| Barry Scott Will <nwn_usenet@cavecreations.net> wrote:
|
(...)
|>D) Get a smaller sig.
|
|
| You want to join us in the real world sometime?

He's quite right. A sig is one thing, but 30 line or so of ASCII art
viking is bloody irritating.

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Leo Fellmann
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