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Who thinks that making Macs Windows compatible is an admitted defeat for Mac OS. I think Apple really is losing it's identity and will eventually turn into a Dell, Gateway etc. . .

Afterall, Apple's key advertising is based around the fact that they can run Windows and Office too.

The other part of it's advertising is based around the myth that creative things can't be done efficiently on a PC, which is not true.

And also on the fact that Macs don't get viruses, but now they do: they run Windows.

And also the fact that PC's crash a lot, but now so do Macs: they run Windows. (Although I have had OS crash on me on multiple systems, during heavy creative applications and some not so heavy. Ate three of my movies!!!!)

So what is a Mac anymore, but an expensive, pretty, all-in-one, proprietary PC? Everything I hate in a computer!
 
what a helpful post.... have you used a mac for an extended period of time? or jsut sat down and didnt understand it so gave up and said they suck? i have used windows my entire life but recently had access to a mac book pro for the last month few months, seriously they are much better, yes the windows partition can get viruses and such but then you just format that partition nothing happens to your mac stuff, yes it crashes in windows but not while in osx. seriously doing any graphic design is so much faster because you dont have random crap happening, you dont to spend time fixing problems, you just do your work and are done. creating somethin in photoshop on a mac is much easier and quicker than on a pc. you are all just windows fanboys who have never actually tried using mac.
 
BS!!!! Like I said I had to use eight Macs purchased against my better judgement, and I lost hours of editting time twice in a one week time span because OS Crapped out. My PC has never lost data like those macs do. You live in a dream world, perpetuating a myth.
 
I agree with most everything except this...
Who thinks that making Macs Windows compatible is an admitted defeat for Mac OS. I think Apple really is losing it's identity and will eventually turn into a Dell, Gateway etc. . .
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Im not sure this really means all that much. Unix/Linux are also moving to be more compatible with windows. In return Windows 2003 also has many extensions to it that make it more compatible with Macs/Linux/Unix machines as well. Office is now opening up to make it more compatible with other platforms. Whether its defeat or not, it is good for the IT industry for these OS's and software to start playing nice with each other.




Macs do get viruses btw, just check Talisker Security and that will become apparent. And it has nothing to do with it now being able to run Windows.
 
yes there are viruses but very few. people write viruses to effect lots of people, and since lots of people have windows they are written for windows
 
Why start a thread about MACs in a PC Harware Forum? If Apple decides to make MAC parts open to manufactures and enthusiest to be able to build there own systems then post a thread about that. Till then MACs need no mention in a PC Hardware Forum.
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Agreed
 
It just bug the crap out of me that Apple trash talks PC hardware 24/7 and claims to be superior. They are not. Neither is the hardware, which I wouldn't use even if it was available.

My point is that they are becoming another PC and eventually I see their uniqueness dissapearing.

Just wanted to know what the opinions were out there FROM PC GUYS. Could care less about the brainwashed Mac worshippers.
 
As long as people need powerful, easy to use computers, people will keep buying macs.

Don't forget that running windows also qualifies you as a tool, so stop with the blind rage towards the mac.
 
it's second hand, i mooch off friends who buy new computers ever other year... i'm not that crazy about spending a grand on something that will be out dated in a year (which is why i'll never buy a new mac).
 
In my opinion, once Mac went with Intel, all they are is an overpriced PC with a propitiatory OS. If I wanted to run Windows and Office, I won't spend the money on an Apple: a machine I can't upgrade or fix myself.
 
macs aren't made for gaming... and you'd be an idiot to buy one for gaming. Macs are for people who want something that works without knowing how or what makes it work (and that's why macs don't belong on Tom's forums).
 
Macs, like every other pc manufacturer (Dell, Compaq, HP, Alienware....), targets a specific group. When Mac ads attack PC owners who are they really attacking? Dell, Compaq, custom builders, or even do-it-yourselfers. The majority of the world OSs are windows based. Mac is the underdog, and what do underdogs do, but attack everyone else regardless of who they got their PC from.

Desperation or great marketing scheme, it doesn't really matter. Apple will continue to sell computers as long as it serves their target group. Because everyone likes to use their computers for different things, and will purchase the one of their choice based on which one they FEEL suits them the best.
 
It just bug the crap out of me that Apple trash talks PC hardware 24/7 and claims to be superior. They are not. Neither is the hardware, which I wouldn't use even if it was available.

My point is that they are becoming another PC and eventually I see their uniqueness dissapearing.

Just wanted to know what the opinions were out there FROM PC GUYS. Could care less about the brainwashed Mac worshippers.
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I get a kick ot of the latest Mac commercials on TV. They show a guy as a PC, beat up and tired because he's being used for everything under the sun by the whole family; husband, wife, kids. Then they have a guy all clean and spiffy as the Mac, not used for much of anything, and they try to say the Mac is better.

What's that? I'd rather have a computer that can do everything and be used by the entire family than one that can only do something simple and is not used by anyone. I think whoever made this commercial unwittingly showed PC's as better than Macs any day of the week.
 
lol agreed, I have sat down and used many macs, many of my friends have owned macs and there are one or 2 that still do, but once they realize how to properly use windows then they realize what crap OSX really is!

Best,

3Ball
 
Negative ghostrider the pattern is full, I am well aware of the big L and how to use it, though I havent in a while, but if you use windows properly...or any OS for that matter then you arent going to have problems. The number one source of problems on PC's or any computer for that matter is lack of ability to use it. We get just as many macs in our shop as we do PC's of any brand, except we are unable to fix them and the people that come in do not do any sort of editing for thier work or any other use, and just fell into the false advertising of mac and bought the machines and now they have to ship them on back to get them to fix their problems for them because even though macs dont give you error messages they still do have problems and still get errors and virus' as well. They just do not tell you and then there is a large build up of crap that does not need to be their and results in a final problem/crash that is very unexpected and who are the only people that can fix it?!? oh thats right...mac! lol what a waste!

Best,

3Ball
 
Macs will survive, not because of their technology, but because of their name. Macs, like BMWs, carry a certain level of snob appeal, and some folks are willing to pay to be part of that club.
 
Macs will survive, not because of their technology, but because of their name. Macs, like BMWs, carry a certain level of snob appeal, and some folks are willing to pay to be part of that club.
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yes, but thats only because of their marketing. once their marketing machine fades away, macs will die out again. stupid iPods and stupid ibooks and imacs and stupid arghghghh die mac!!
 
I guess to each their own. The mac users I know are pretty die-hard about it so there must be something to it. I've only briefly used one and it was pretty much windows with different preferences (I like start menu, they like the bottom float bar, I like windows alt-tab/cntr-tab, they like their window picker, I like C:\, they like / & mounting drives...). My buds have become very efficient at using their macs and I have become very efficient in windows. So I will keep using windows & they will keep using macs. No problem (except for those damn commercials that seem like political smear campaigns). No fanboyisms please; you want real security, see OpenBSD - mac is can be invaded like windows and would be if they had the market share to make hackers care, you want a nice everyday computing experience - try a mac & pc for a bit and pick the interface that suits you.

Jo
 
the bottom line though, is that macs are just in a completely different price range than PCs. the cheapest mac is a little mac mini and thats $500. and no dvd burner. the premium that apple charges for mac users will never attract many consumers. and of course, that all the hardware is proprietary, so no upgrading, fixing, or changing of anything.
granted, i know a lot of people prefer macs for video and picture editing. but if your not in that category, i dont see the point.
right now, apple is riding the wave of die hard liberal adolescents. and adolescents now includes about 12- 35 year olds. and the connection between the commercials and politics by another poster is accurate. dont get me wrong, im no right-winger, but i despise ipod wearing tight jeans with holes people as the next guy
 
Mac systems before Mac OS X could indeed be pretty unstable; I'm much more confident in a Unix-based OS.

Mac interfaces are also a bit more intuitive than Windows's and slightly more homogeneous (press 'Start' to shut down your computer...)

Indeed, for any form of graphics work they do the trick very nicely: Macs have stringent interface rules, and one does spend less time figuring out a new piece of software than they do on Windows.

Security-wise, while it's true that there are less Mac virii, the more modular approach and better implemented user rights (inherited from the KDE/BSD/Mach base) usually mean that virii have less of an effect and that vulnerabilities don't contaminate other pieces of software as much as they do under Windows (the Outlook Express that crashed IE7 24 hours after IE7 came out still makes me smirk).

Their price premiums though is VERY hard to swallow, however OS upgrades cost less than new Windows versions ($99 for a single computer, $199 for 2 to 5... and they are not crippled like 'home' versions of WinXP/Vista are) without need to buy new hardware (better code efficiency?).

Going back to my Gnome GNU/Linux Free system... 😛
 
It just bug the crap out of me that Apple trash talks PC hardware 24/7 and claims to be superior. They are not. Neither is the hardware, which I wouldn't use even if it was available.
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Thats advertising. Get over it.
 
creating somethin in photoshop on a mac is much easier and quicker than on a pc. you are all just windows fanboys who have never actually tried using mac.
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LOL, what world do you live in? Don't get me started on Mac mice, especially the new one with the miniature scroll ball that makes me feel that I have a tumor or wart on the tip of my finger when I use it - first mouse I've used in a long that that was painful to use (the last one being an old 486 Pac Bell system with the squarish mouse).
 
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