The GeForce GTX 770 Review: Calling In A Hit On Radeon HD 7970?

[sanilmahambre]

I was hoping for GK110 but its the same old GK104 GPU.

 

[jesot]

So it's software that makes a card faster not the hardware eh?

Considering the main engines of the next gen games (Source2, UE4, et al.) are being optimized for Nvidia hardware and drivers... Yes?

 

[Mousemonkey]

So it's software that makes a card faster not the hardware eh?

Considering the main engines of the next gen games (Source2, UE4, et al.) are being optimized for Nvidia hardware and drivers... Yes?

Actually that would be a no, unless of course its somehow going to make all Nvidia cards even those from long ago the fastest things on the planet! :lol:

 

[ingtar33]

Considering the main engines of the next gen games (Source2, UE4, et al.) are being optimized for Nvidia hardware and drivers... Yes?

couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft are all going with AMD gpu/APU this time around. The latter two are getting APUs based on the x86 Jaguar architecture, while Nintendo married a power pc cpu to a radeon gpu.

 

[Zagen30]

So, ingtar, care to comment on how the 770 prices are pretty much exactly where they were a week ago?

 

[littleleo]

While some gamers like Nvidia and other like AMD, and you can see their post insulting one another and touting their position is right, from reading the same data. There is one truth, however and the reason Nvidia is in the green and AMD is in the red is because of the history of ATI's bad drivers. I still have nightmares from those days. The majority of resellers in the market today do too. When they build a new rig it comes with a Nvidia, not an AMD VGA card. The fact that AMD has also fallen far behind Intel on the CPU performance in the market is also bad news. These are facts not "fanboys' propaganda. I used to have many more AMD customers then Intel in system sales, but that has changed to Intel in a big way. However AMD has never really taken much market share from Nvidia in the VGA market. Sure many gamers will flop from one brand to another over 1 FPS, and many tout AMD, but Gamers only buy one card about every 2-3 years. Resellers buy them every week and most are buying Nvidia not AMD, that is a fact. That is why Nvidia feels no pressure to lower its prices or rush products out, and why AMD does.
It seems AMD always fails to make the most of advantages that come their way. With the Haswell being the last socket-ed CPU line from Intel lets see if AMD can take advantage of that. Sorry off topic... I still think the 770 is a wiser buy right now, and I still see its price $50 lower then the 7970 GHz.

 

[Sakkura]

There is one truth, however and the reason Nvidia is in the green and AMD is in the red is because of the history of ATI's bad drivers.

Nightmares? Yeah, that never happens with Nvidia...

 

[Mousemonkey]

There is one truth, however and the reason Nvidia is in the green and AMD is in the red is because of the history of ATI's bad drivers.

Nightmares? Yeah, that never happens with Nvidia...

Dragging that old chestnut out again eh? You forgot to mention the GSOD and vertical line issues that the HD5xxx series had though, you know the one that AMD refused to acknowledge until several websites started publishing articles about it. 😗 :lol:

 

[jessterman21]

So, ingtar, care to comment on how the 770 prices are pretty much exactly where they were a week ago?

:lol:

 

[Sakkura]

Dragging that old chestnut out again eh? You forgot to mention the GSOD and vertical line issues that the HD5xxx series had though, you know the one that AMD refused to acknowledge until several websites started publishing articles about it. 😗 :lol:

I never said AMD hasn't had their horror stories.

 

[Mousemonkey]

Dragging that old chestnut out again eh? You forgot to mention the GSOD and vertical line issues that the HD5xxx series had though, you know the one that AMD refused to acknowledge until several websites started publishing articles about it. 😗 :lol:

I never said AMD hasn't had their horror stories.

But you didn't provide a link to any, why is that?

 

[Sakkura]

But you didn't provide a link to any, why is that?

Because I wasn't refuting the point that AMD has driver problems, I was refuting the point that ONLY AMD has driver problems. I accepted the premise of AMD having driver problems, which he had already put forward; are you expecting me to prove his own point to him?

 

[Mousemonkey]

But you didn't provide a link to any, why is that?

Because I wasn't refuting the point that AMD has driver problems, I was refuting the point that ONLY AMD has driver problems. I accepted the premise of AMD having driver problems, which he had already put forward; are you expecting me to prove his own point to him?

Considering that you chose to point out one issue that Nvidia had and none of the AMD/ATi ones, yes. You also failed to mention that unlike AMD/ATi Nvidia pulled that driver as soon as they were made aware that it was faulty and that they instructed their AIB partners to replace any cards that were damaged by said driver, has AMD/ATi ever done that? Did they do that with the GSOD issue? I don't think so.

 

[Sakkura]

I still don't see how it makes sense to demand that I prove other people's points for them.

 

[bystander]

I think the point is, AMD has had more problems with their drivers in the past, and present. Though AMD has made a lot of improvements, they still have more issues, including the microstutter issue that still has not been fixed, though that might happen soon.

 

[Mousemonkey]

But somehow a single bad driver from Nvidia evens those stats out in the minds of the AMD/ATi faithful.

 

[ingtar33]

So, ingtar, care to comment on how the 770 prices are pretty much exactly where they were a week ago?

I've no problem taking an "I told you so"

seems like i overestimated demand a bit. my bad. looks like prices will be MSRP.

 

[Onus]

AMD's drivers may be sucking right now (it was a PITA to get my HD7970 set up properly for bitmining), but those particular bad nVidia drivers were killing hardware.

 

[psiboy]

Nice to see the FAULTY assumption that we are all running at 2560x1440! I'd like to see the more common 1920x1080 in there too.... You know real world resolutions for most of us... Don't be like crApple with your head in the clouds Chris!

 

[ubercake]

Anybody noticing the 680s are still priced a little higher than the 770s? Wtf is that!?

 

[jessterman21]

Anybody noticing the 680s are still priced a little higher than the 770s? Wtf is that!?

Right? How do they expect to get rid of old stock if the newer, better card is cheaper? Nice to see the 670s dropping to $350, though (even though the equivalent 760 is about to release for less than $300).

 

[Onus]

There may be a 760 in my future...
(assuming it is more powerful than a HD7870).

 

[ubercake]

Anybody noticing the 680s are still priced a little higher than the 770s? Wtf is that!?

Right? How do they expect to get rid of old stock if the newer, better card is cheaper? Nice to see the 670s dropping to $350, though (even though the equivalent 760 is about to release for less than $300).

I guess the market for the 680s is those looking to go SLI. Limited quantities on the 680s might be the reason the price is higher I'm guessing?

Again, I'm glad I was able to sell mine. That pricing on the 770 is seriously a 680 resale killer. I think it forces most people who might have otherwise bought a used 680 to just pony up the extra bucks and get a shiny new 770. This way, Nvidia sells more new units. It is kind of brilliant and the consumer wins by getting the performance of the 770 at a $400 price point (but they lose if they have a used 680 to sell if they don't sell right away).

 

[jessterman21]

There may be a 760 in my future...
(assuming it is more powerful than a HD7870).

Some sites are saying $249 possible pricing, but I can't really see that... It would light the world on fire like the 560Ti did if so.

Almost positive it will be a 6 SMX part clocked almost as high as the 770, to bring performance right up to 670 levels. Would be a nice enthusiast stack with 15% performance in between all three cards.

 

[Onus]

Wow, that level of performance for $250 would be impossible to pass up.