The GeForce GTX 770 Review: Calling In A Hit On Radeon HD 7970?

[GMPoisoN]

No chance in hell a $250 GTX 770. I don't even know if that's what you all are talking about, I just saw a glimpse of the previous post, and know it if that's what you're all talking about, there's no way.

 

[Onus]

I think that would be a good idea. Think I'll clean up a little...

 

[Novuake]

http://modcrash.com/nvidia-display-driver-damaging-gpus/#.UbKToucwfAQ
LOL I will just leave that here. Both Green and Red have their driver issues. Nvidia's are less frequent but more serious it seems.

 

[Mousemonkey]

http://modcrash.com/nvidia-display-driver-damaging-gpus/#.UbKToucwfAQ
LOL I will just leave that here. Both Green and Red have their driver issues. Nvidia's are less frequent but more serious it seems.

Well I'm using that driver with no problems whatsoever so I'm going to take the ATi fanboi approach and call BS as it's just some made up nonsense, that is the butthurt ATi user approach is it not?

 

[Novuake]

http://modcrash.com/nvidia-display-driver-damaging-gpus/#.UbKToucwfAQ
LOL I will just leave that here. Both Green and Red have their driver issues. Nvidia's are less frequent but more serious it seems.

Well I'm using that driver with no problems whatsoever so I'm going to take the ATi fanboi approach and call BS as it's just some made up nonsense, that is the butthurt ATi user approach is it not?

Not really, just saw someone in the forum mentioning it. I don't have any issues in with my HTPC GTX650. Then again could be high end cards as with the last screw up like that.

 

[Thor]

First I find pity that I need to use Google Chrome to login on Tom's Hardware now.
It's like IE10 is not accepted (unable to login).
Anyway.
Second !
No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Between May 20-25 2013 I wanted to buy a new video card.
So I read some topic on the Internet and sure I read
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-5.html
And I agree at this time for the "Radeon HD 7970" - Best PCIe Card: $390 To $800 - May 2013,
But I want to have PhysX "gadget" in hardware and so just nVidia give that.
So the may 25th 2013 I buy a GTX 680.
But noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !!!
I just read today the
The GeForce GTX 770 Review: Calling In A Hit On Radeon HD 7970?
May 30, 2013.
Dawn !
Dawn !
I'm unlucky.
I never think nVidia will put the GTX 770 on the table.
So I propose something.
Why not create a tab concerning to "What new will be at store soon" or "What Intel,AMD, nVida" will product soon (mean inside 1 month).
To have know that nVidia will put at store the GTX 770 sure I would buy this card.

 

[renz496]

There is one truth, however and the reason Nvidia is in the green and AMD is in the red is because of the history of ATI's bad drivers.

Nightmares? Yeah, that never happens with Nvidia...

Dragging that old chestnut out again eh? You forgot to mention the GSOD and vertical line issues that the HD5xxx series had though, you know the one that AMD refused to acknowledge until several websites started publishing articles about it. 😗 :lol:

uh that GSOD. also that frame time issues with 7k series AMD only acknowledge them after TR make a big fuss about it.

 

[bystander]

AMD has come a long ways, yet still behind. I wouldn't call them garbage. Their single GPU setups have just about evened things up this year with the frame latency fixes. Now if only they can fix their mult-GPU setups. There still may be deficiencies we aren't aware of, but they are getting better for sure.

 

[Onus]

Blatant troll post deleted. I hope not to see another.

 

[somebodyspecial]

[citation][nom]CarolKarine[/nom]the fact that every single site is comparing nvidia's next-gen stuff with AMD's current gen stuff kinda sickens me. don't start throwing around "Nvidia's got this gen in the bag" till we see what AMD comes up with. they've had what, 1 1/2, 2 years? I'm hoping for GCN 2 and a die shrink on a new architecture.[/citation]

It kinda sickens me that people like you don't seem to read the article before commenting. If you read the article, you would know there is nothing next gen about this card other than the sticker.

I guess I should have clarified. I'm sick of people comparing gk110 and tahiti.

Tell it to AMD. What else are they supposed to compare to? Volcanic Islands is 5-6 months away. Tell AMD to release some cards that can keep up. It's not the hardware sites faults AMD has no answers. They have to compare to whatever AMD has NOW.

"We're writing an article today reviewing NV's new cards, we'll compare it to AMD when they release another gen so AMD will be left out of comparisons for 6 more months"...LOL. You can't do that.

 

[somebodyspecial]

somebodyspecial writes:
> For people still complaining about memory being 2GB, I'd remind you less than 2% of the market runs above 1920x1200 ...

That kind of statistic can be very misleading. I talked to one high street small computer shop
owner in CA who told me 45% of his income comes from high-value enthusiast items, because the
margins on cheaper parts are tiny. Indeed, he makes a loss on entry HDDs because it's important
to keep the customers coming in so they'll buy other things aswell.

People use statistics as a drunk uses a lamp post: for support rather than illumination. 😉

Just because the percentage of users who have a certain type of item is low, that doesn't
mean the revenue from said item isn't very important. Premium brands sell because there's
a market for them. Some always want the latest and best.

I agree with you about F@H and pro apps though.

Ian.

No comment on how much they make on them, just that it isn't important game wise (yet?). When memory becomes an issue, you're usually already far below 30fps, so it's not really an issue to me. If I can't run under X situation no matter who I choose, who cares who is faster in X? It's still unplayable on both and the winner means nothing. My use of the statistic isn't misleading. And actually as anandtech showed in their 1440p update (ok, I showed...LOL) Steam says only 1.25% of users are above 1920x1200 combined. So even worse than I said at 2%. Since those show as using multiple cards, they have no memory issue anyway. Guru3d testing a 4GB palit card vs. 2GB and found NO difference in ANY game and promptly said "save your money buy 2GB"
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/palit_geforce_gtx_680_4gb_jetstream_review,26.html
"The 4GB -- Realistically there was not one game that we tested that could benefit from the two extra GB's of graphics memory. Even at 2560x1600 (which is a massive 4 Mpixels resolution) there was just no measurable difference."

That was what my comment was meant to portray. And even at that 2560x1600 (where memory still wasn't an issue as 2GB performs same as 4GB), many games were 40fps or less avg on the cards meaning mins much lower. The 680 only hit 38fps in Crysis2 with HD pack/dx11 and only 4xAA, nobody scored above this. Dropping the res surely puts less strain on the memory and 4GB made no diff in any benchmark they ran. Ryan Smith at anandtech beats this like a dead horse. Guru3d proves he's just covering for AMD again. BF3 only hit 40fps (again mins will be less than 30 in a fragfest). Metro2033 nobody scored above 25fps avg..LOL. Memory made no diff there either and it's unplayable too. My point had nothing to do with the amount AMD or NV makes charging for memory we apparently don't need for gaming on single cards (yet?)

 

[somebodyspecial]

maybe it sounds like non-sense to you but in some other forum the are users buying nvidia cards because such reason. if somehow amd going under and the gpu division end up in some other company then how about drivers for current customer that using radeon cards? will the new company continue the support for them or will the new company make the driver team focus solely on the product they might release in the future? also amd is quick to drop driver support compared to nvidia.

Why would AMD suddenly go under when their share price is skyrocketing and they're set to earn billions from providing the APUs for the next-gen consoles? That sort of sky-is-falling thinking might have made sense late last year, but not now.

You sir... Are an obvious troll. And if not, uhm... Figure it out...

And now we have one from team green as well. Guess it's unavoidable.

It's not trolling to point out facts especially with data backing said facts. Your misguided response to my post should be aimed at people who give nothing to back up what they say. I argue with the data whichever way it points, I don't really care who wins this week. I own a radeon5850 that still serves me pretty well. If you think you can bring a valid argument against my points/data feel free. I think you should google Trolling definition. You don't understand what it means if you call me a troll because of my post.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)
I could cite many others...But hopefully you get the point.
Maybe if I'd said "NV is great AMD sucks" and left it at that, you'd have a VALID point. Did I make invalid statements or post off topic irrelevant info?

From the Urbandictionary def #3:
"Trolling is trying to get a rise out of someone. Forcing them to respond to you, either through wise-crackery, posting incorrect information, asking blatantly stupid questions, or other foolishness. However, trolling statements are never true or are ever meant to be construed as such."

Nope again, not my post. Links are there to PROVE the point is correct and based on known data people can read for themselves. Get it? There were 7 links in there proving my points. It's really sad people like you don't see the value of informing people with good relevant data. I love a good wall of text if it tells me some great info I'm unaware of and may even thank the person for sending me to some great data that either confirms my position or gives some great rebuttal info. I'm in forums like these to either save me from making stupid decisions with my stock money or help me get the best bang for buck on my next purchase. Anyone helping those goals is great IMHO.

 

[Sakkura]

It's not trolling to point out facts especially with data backing said facts. Your misguided response to my post should be aimed at people who give nothing to back up what they say. I argue with the data whichever way it points, I don't really care who wins this week. I own a radeon5850 that still serves me pretty well. If you think you can bring a valid argument against my points/data feel free. I think you should google Trolling definition. You don't understand what it means if you call me a troll because of my post.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)
I could cite many others...But hopefully you get the point.
Maybe if I'd said "NV is great AMD sucks" and left it at that, you'd have a VALID point. Did I make invalid statements or post off topic irrelevant info?

From the Urbandictionary def #3:
"Trolling is trying to get a rise out of someone. Forcing them to respond to you, either through wise-crackery, posting incorrect information, asking blatantly stupid questions, or other foolishness. However, trolling statements are never true or are ever meant to be construed as such."

Nope again, not my post. Links are there to PROVE the point is correct and based on known data people can read for themselves. Get it? There were 7 links in there proving my points. It's really sad people like you don't see the value of informing people with good relevant data. I love a good wall of text if it tells me some great info I'm unaware of and may even thank the person for sending me to some great data that either confirms my position or gives some great rebuttal info. I'm in forums like these to either save me from making stupid decisions with my stock money or help me get the best bang for buck on my next purchase. Anyone helping those goals is great IMHO.

Your post ignored the data from the very article you're commenting on. And you complained about not having minimum framerates included, despite the article including a look at frame time variance, which is a much better measure of stuttering than min. framerates.

 

[somebodyspecial]

It's not trolling to point out facts especially with data backing said facts. Your misguided response to my post should be aimed at people who give nothing to back up what they say. I argue with the data whichever way it points, I don't really care who wins this week. I own a radeon5850 that still serves me pretty well. If you think you can bring a valid argument against my points/data feel free. I think you should google Trolling definition. You don't understand what it means if you call me a troll because of my post.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)
I could cite many others...But hopefully you get the point.
Maybe if I'd said "NV is great AMD sucks" and left it at that, you'd have a VALID point. Did I make invalid statements or post off topic irrelevant info?

From the Urbandictionary def #3:
"Trolling is trying to get a rise out of someone. Forcing them to respond to you, either through wise-crackery, posting incorrect information, asking blatantly stupid questions, or other foolishness. However, trolling statements are never true or are ever meant to be construed as such."

Nope again, not my post. Links are there to PROVE the point is correct and based on known data people can read for themselves. Get it? There were 7 links in there proving my points. It's really sad people like you don't see the value of informing people with good relevant data. I love a good wall of text if it tells me some great info I'm unaware of and may even thank the person for sending me to some great data that either confirms my position or gives some great rebuttal info. I'm in forums like these to either save me from making stupid decisions with my stock money or help me get the best bang for buck on my next purchase. Anyone helping those goals is great IMHO.

Your post ignored the data from the very article you're commenting on. And you complained about not having minimum framerates included, despite the article including a look at frame time variance, which is a much better measure of stuttering than min. framerates.

Wrong, that comment was directed at a bunch of sites who don't do ANY fcat stuff nor minimums. I didn't say TOMS needs to put them in ("I wish more sites" - kind of means others right?), but why not anyway? Also showing a 90second run isn't exactly going to be telling me all I need to know. The more data the better and personally I prefer Hardocp's actual play approach as it gives a far better idea of when they crapped out in play and how fluid it FELT. Much like the 5 gamers experience they had here at toms recently in the titan review. I'd like that in more articles here. I didn't ignore the data.

You called me a troll for nothing because you didn't apparently approve of what I said... Typical.

 

[ubercake]

There is one truth, however and the reason Nvidia is in the green and AMD is in the red is because of the history of ATI's bad drivers.

Nightmares? Yeah, that never happens with Nvidia...

Dragging that old chestnut out again eh? You forgot to mention the GSOD and vertical line issues that the HD5xxx series had though, you know the one that AMD refused to acknowledge until several websites started publishing articles about it. 😗 :lol:

uh that GSOD. also that frame time issues with 7k series AMD only acknowledge them after TR make a big fuss about it.

The frame issues have been there for years. I had the microstutter problems with my 5850s.

 

[Mousemonkey]

There is one truth, however and the reason Nvidia is in the green and AMD is in the red is because of the history of ATI's bad drivers.

Nightmares? Yeah, that never happens with Nvidia...

Dragging that old chestnut out again eh? You forgot to mention the GSOD and vertical line issues that the HD5xxx series had though, you know the one that AMD refused to acknowledge until several websites started publishing articles about it. 😗 :lol:

uh that GSOD. also that frame time issues with 7k series AMD only acknowledge them after TR make a big fuss about it.

The frame issues have been there for years. I had the microstutter problems with my 5850s.

There was also the dubious practice of releasing what was practically the same driver every month with nothing more than a different release number due to the impossible schedule they were trying to keep up with. I know I saw this mentioned in an article somewhere so someone else must have.

 

[renz496]

There is one truth, however and the reason Nvidia is in the green and AMD is in the red is because of the history of ATI's bad drivers.

Nightmares? Yeah, that never happens with Nvidia...

Dragging that old chestnut out again eh? You forgot to mention the GSOD and vertical line issues that the HD5xxx series had though, you know the one that AMD refused to acknowledge until several websites started publishing articles about it. 😗 :lol:

uh that GSOD. also that frame time issues with 7k series AMD only acknowledge them after TR make a big fuss about it.

The frame issues have been there for years. I had the microstutter problems with my 5850s.

i mean the one that affecting single card. TR pitted single 7950 with single 660 Ti which in the end TR recommends 660Ti even in average frame rates 7950 was winning. some calling TR was biased towards nvidia but bias or not AMD themselves acknowledged the problem exist though if i'm not mistaken the problem has been fixed.

 

[ubercake]

There is one truth, however and the reason Nvidia is in the green and AMD is in the red is because of the history of ATI's bad drivers.

Nightmares? Yeah, that never happens with Nvidia...

Dragging that old chestnut out again eh? You forgot to mention the GSOD and vertical line issues that the HD5xxx series had though, you know the one that AMD refused to acknowledge until several websites started publishing articles about it. 😗 :lol:

uh that GSOD. also that frame time issues with 7k series AMD only acknowledge them after TR make a big fuss about it.

The frame issues have been there for years. I had the microstutter problems with my 5850s.

i mean the one that affecting single card. TR pitted single 7950 with single 660 Ti which in the end TR recommends 660Ti even in average frame rates 7950 was winning. some calling TR was biased towards nvidia but bias or not AMD themselves acknowledged the problem exist though if i'm not mistaken the problem has been fixed.

From what I understand, it's been fixed for most games and a single 7970; not for crossfire though.

 

[Novuake]

i mean the one that affecting single card. TR pitted single 7950 with single 660 Ti which in the end TR recommends 660Ti even in average frame rates 7950 was winning. some calling TR was biased towards nvidia but bias or not AMD themselves acknowledged the problem exist though if i'm not mistaken the problem has been fixed.

Jip, in 13.2 if memory serves.

 

[bystander]

There is one truth, however and the reason Nvidia is in the green and AMD is in the red is because of the history of ATI's bad drivers.

Nightmares? Yeah, that never happens with Nvidia...

Dragging that old chestnut out again eh? You forgot to mention the GSOD and vertical line issues that the HD5xxx series had though, you know the one that AMD refused to acknowledge until several websites started publishing articles about it. 😗 :lol:

uh that GSOD. also that frame time issues with 7k series AMD only acknowledge them after TR make a big fuss about it.

The frame issues have been there for years. I had the microstutter problems with my 5850s.

i mean the one that affecting single card. TR pitted single 7950 with single 660 Ti which in the end TR recommends 660Ti even in average frame rates 7950 was winning. some calling TR was biased towards nvidia but bias or not AMD themselves acknowledged the problem exist though if i'm not mistaken the problem has been fixed.

From what I understand, it's been fixed for most games and a single 7970; not for crossfire though.

The multi-GPU problem is due to a lack of frame metering. The single GPU problem had to do with other issues that cause pauses in the production of frames.

 

[Onus]

MM can be the most ornery of all the Mods , but it looks like he's just yanking chains, and he knows it.

 

[Sakkura]

i mean the one that affecting single card. TR pitted single 7950 with single 660 Ti which in the end TR recommends 660Ti even in average frame rates 7950 was winning. some calling TR was biased towards nvidia but bias or not AMD themselves acknowledged the problem exist though if i'm not mistaken the problem has been fixed.

Jip, in 13.2 if memory serves.

That quote isn't actually from me. Don't blame you though, that quote pyramid is a mess.

 

[Novuake]

i mean the one that affecting single card. TR pitted single 7950 with single 660 Ti which in the end TR recommends 660Ti even in average frame rates 7950 was winning. some calling TR was biased towards nvidia but bias or not AMD themselves acknowledged the problem exist though if i'm not mistaken the problem has been fixed.

Jip, in 13.2 if memory serves.

That quote isn't actually from me. Don't blame you though, that quote pyramid is a mess.

LOL too many people trying to edit it to shorten the junk...

 

[copichael7]

Thanks for helping to buyers.

 

[ubercake]

I still can't believe the price hasn't dropped on 670s and 680s yet. Other than people going from one to two cards for SLI setups, who's buying these when they can get a 770 for less than a 680 and around the same price as a 670? Am I missing something?