The REAL Mitt Romney

[Reynod]

I moved to the Philippines recently.Stop with your wise ass attitude all the time. What country are you from? I am on roll with saying that both candidates stink!

Marv I have a degree in wiseass ... from a university in Australia ... we specialise in this area.

We were really just asking you to provide some links and content for your assertions ... instead of the Arnold Swarzenegger one liners.

People complain when you post less intellectual content than Sarah Palin ...

 

[musical marv]

Marv I have a degree in wiseass ... from a university in Australia ... we specialise in this area.

We were really just asking you to provide some links and content for your assertions ... instead of the Arnold Swarzenegger one liners.

People complain when you post less intellectual content than Sarah Palin ...

You are not an American so don't be so critical of both candidates worry about your own country which not to economically sound now.

 

[mjmjpfaff]

You are not an American so don't be so critical of both candidates worry about your own country which not to economically sound now.

Wait, and you can be Marv?
Also it is "too" not "to".

 

[riser]

Republicans will not win this debate. The *47%* tax canard is not true and is a lie of omission. The more Republicans try to explain it away, the worse the GOP looks.

1,500 millionaires don’t pay federal income taxes (with many likely taking advantage of foreign tax credits). In 2010, Romney himself saved $2 million in Federal income taxes because of "tax expenditures" under which income is taxed at a lower rate.

10 million households pay no federal income taxes by taking advantage of a variety of tax breaks -- above-the-line deductions taken before you calculate your adjusted gross income -- itemized deductions like mortgage interest payments and charitable contributions; education credits; and capital gains and qualified dividends ... which benefit mainly the 'well-to-do'

38 million households paid no Federal income taxes because they don’t earn enough (less than $26,400/yr). 28.3 million of those are made up of seniors and low-income families with children.

Those 38 million *working poor* who pay no Federal income tax DO pay Federal payroll taxes (expect for seniors under the SS threshold). Senior citizens have paid into Medicare and Social Security their entire lives. Everyone pays Federal excise taxes, along with state and local sales, property and income taxes and fees. Everyone pays Federal and state gas taxes, too.

It has already been pointed out in this thread who are the biggest *non-filing* Federal tax return states ... in case you missed it, here is the map:

http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww165/Back_at_the_Ranch/GOP Idiots/nonpayers_zps82275863.jpg

Republicans don't want to have the "redistribution" debate, either. Here is a brief list of the states that pay LESS in Federal taxes than the Federal spending the state receives (in millions of dollars):

Alabama . . . . . . (-$17,385.54)
Arizona . . . . . . . . (-$8,650.54)
Arkansas. . . . . . . (-$6,460.94)
Kentucky. . . . . . (-$12,649.66)
Louisiana. . . . . . (-$19,064.75)
Mississippi. . . . . (-$13,746.99)
Missouri. . . . . . . (-$13,102.16)
Oklahoma . . . . . . (-$8,064.82)
S Carolina . . . . . . (-$9,333.19)
Tennessee. . . . . (-$12,415.85)

Notice something? It is safe to say these states are *Red* and their electoral votes will go to Mitt Romney. Will Mitt give the *Blue* states back the money that was **redistributed** to the red states? Here is what is generally owed each year to the states that pay more in Federal taxes than they receive in Federal spending:

California . . . . . . . +$47,604.23
Connecticut . . . . . . +$9,540.09
Illinois. . . . . . . . . . +$18,997.97
Massachusetts. . . . +$7,173.48
New Jersey. . . . . . +$27,494.90
Nevada . . . . . . . . . +$6,046.19

That's in *millions of dollars,* too.

Fixing the fiscal issues facing America is everyone's responsibility. Using hollow, meaningless platitudes and tax canards on *redistribution* and *The 47%* in an effort to simply gain elective office is the last refuge of the scoundrels. Both the 'Blues' and the 'Reds' have a stake in fixing these fiscal disparities, along with the Federal budget and deficits.

Is this really what Mitt Romney and Republicans want to debate ??

Ignore is bliss! You realize that those redistributionn states have a HUGE Federal presence there and therefore would get far more money sent to that State than otherwise? Ironic really.

 

[wanamingo]

Ignore is bliss! You realize that those redistributionn states have a HUGE Federal presence there and therefore would get far more money sent to that State than otherwise? Ironic really.

What about the fact that the states that have the fewest citizens paying federal income is also the lowest in conservative states? Also states that are more than likely going to vote for Romney anyway?

And its not just the level of federal presence, although that should be noted as a factor.

 

[riser]

I guess I don't understand what you're trying to say? Is it a bad thing that conservative states want to pay less in Federal taxes and want a smaller gov't? Are they asking for more in return but wanting to pay less?

I suppose if you want to look at who is paying more, sure you might have an argument. Then again, ones paying more have a higher population based on the fact they have some major cities in those states where the population density is higher and the need for more government control is required.

 

[wanamingo]

I guess I don't understand what you're trying to say? Is it a bad thing that conservative states want to pay less in Federal taxes and want a smaller gov't? Are they asking for more in return but wanting to pay less?

I suppose if you want to look at who is paying more, sure you might have an argument. Then again, ones paying more have a higher population based on the fact they have some major cities in those states where the population density is higher and the need for more government control is required.

I was referring to the remark Romney made about 47% of people not paying federal income.

 

[musical marv]

Wait, and you can be Marv?
Also it is "too" not "to".

Big deal one typo.

 

[Reynod]

marv what job(s) did you have before you retired?

I am assuming your avatar is you and not copied from JD's photo album ...

BTW I am entitled to comment on the US ... all Australian citizens are now members of the 51st State of America ... we just joined out of sheer arrogance.

Nobody noticed either ...

We are now the third biggest state behind California and Texas and hereby demand 30 seats in the US house of Representatives or we intend to declare war on Wyoming (since they are the smallest State and should be a pushover).

Kindly point us to where Wyoming is on the map?

I'll dispatch some kangaroos to do a quick recon.

 

[Reynod]

Just found Wyoming ... looks as sparse as South Australia and colder than Tasmania.

No beaches ... hmm ... I don't think I am going to get anyone here that will want to invade that place.

Also ... too many hills.

 

[chunkymonster]

chunkymonster wrote :
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So, you may not agree with what Romney said about the 47%, he did nothing more than speak the truth that Democrats have been demagoguing to intentionally keep the electorate distracted from reality.
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But Obama's continued class warfare and Democrat demagoguery just proves that he does not actually believe in anyone paying their fair share but actually believes in the redistribution of wealth.

Remove the plank from your own eye. The Romney *47%* talking-point *tax canard* is standard GOP demagoguery and 100% false.

If you read what has been posted by myself and some other folks in this thread is that the reality is that 47% of tax payer shave zero federal tax liability without any mention of their income level.

I will agree that what Romney said was very inarticulate but he is stating the reality of the current tax code. Romney's comment about not focusing in on them as a voting base is the political reality of running for President, he was stating the reality of needing to target the voters than are most likely to vote him into office. And, yes the Democrats have been demagoguing the 47% comment because they are focusing only on Romney's statement about them being reliant on the government. Focusing in on the 47% comment is a distraction tactic being played by the Democrats because is goes against Obama's rhetoric about people "paying their fair share" when the reality is it is the middle class, who are paying their fair share, and subsidizing the 47% with zero % federal tax liability. Obama and the Democrats can not afford the middle class realizing that they are getting boned in the poop shooter and he is using middle class tax dollars to redistribute monies down the income level. It is hypocritical when Obama talks about everyone "paying their fair share" and then only focuses in on the lower income people. Focusing in on the lower income people only continues the Obama class warfare rhetoric.

 

[Reynod]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/pms-media-adviser-john-mcternan-behind-class-war-tony-abbott/story-fn59niix-1226480126399

Obama might want to emply this spindoctor the PM is currently using.

His strategy seems to be working here in the leadup to the Fed elections.

Labour is still behind but the class message seems to be getting through ... changing the polls day by day.

During economic downturns this sort of paranoid approach seems to work, boosting labour / democrat votes.

 

[riser]

Obama will bomb out with his message. Romney was right that people will vote for Obama regardless.. and then others for the handouts. My neighbor used to vote for anyone who would say they'd help the "working class" person. Then when she lost her job after 18 years she didn't understand why.

 

[mjmjpfaff]

Big deal one typo.

It isn't; the line above was.

 

[musical marv]

marv what job(s) did you have before you retired?

I am assuming your avatar is you and not copied from JD's photo album ...

BTW I am entitled to comment on the US ... all Australian citizens are now members of the 51st State of America ... we just joined out of sheer arrogance.

Nobody noticed either ...

We are now the third biggest state behind California and Texas and hereby demand 30 seats in the US house of Representatives or we intend to declare war on Wyoming (since they are the smallest State and should be a pushover).

Kindly point us to where Wyoming is on the map?

I'll dispatch some kangaroos to do a quick recon.

You are a real wise ass I see! I have nothing against your country but your cracks I think stink!

 

[Reynod]

Lets put it to the vote then old man.

Guys ... do I stink ... or is it just Marv?

 

[musical marv]

Frankly, I find reynod's quips and biting humor pretty entertaining.

Just stop taking him so seriously marv, I don't.

I guess you are right about this.Life is to serious sometimes.

 

[Reynod]

marv thanks for the gracious comment.

We do respect your views here.

I rarely get on my soapbox about stories unless women and children are being killed, maimed and tortured.

Then I find it hard NOT to support sending in the bald eagles / angels of death.

In that respect I do support the Republicans wholeheartedly.

When a superpower supports the poor, the weak, and those unable to fight for themselves then I am behind them all of the way.

The fact that the US has shown so much constraint over the recent embassy attacks shows they are the morally superior people ... even though they must bite their lip do so.

Whilst the Europeans would often call the US immature and uncultured in the past it is clear today that that is not the case.

 

[Wisecracker]

Reynod is a known trouble-maker, suspected anarchist and/or sexual deviant who is rumored to be a double-naught spy working for aliens (the extra-terrestrial type), at the behest of the Queen, via MI6 and the ASIS. He has previously reported to his alien masters, via the Queen, that there is no intelligent life on Earth, excepting that in the Republican Party of the United States of America.

His act as an Ozzie-Obammie Leftist-Pinko-Islamist is a psy-ops to expose and examine potential militants as to their promise in serving and enforcing the goals of our 1% Alien Over-Lords. He is not to be trusted, nor are those elitist libruls and their commie 47% media in the USA. Approach with caution.

Eyes: Blue (white, and red)
Hair: Ossie-like

Tatoo on left (of course) buttock

The United States are divided by those that are right, and those that are Republican :lol: We need to work with our allies in much more subtle ways than the Right's Capitulation - No Compromise, both domestically and internationally. The Iran / Libya propaganda BS has been off-the-hook the last 3 weeks. Give it up.

Compare that to the Aussie-US cooperation in Darwin. Beats 2 trillion-dollarUS wars, and I like our chances in 99% of potential 'disagreements' in the region. A couple Aussie Tactical Assault Groups with US Marines, trained together in their specialties and modern tactics (with all our best 'trickery'), are the guys (and gals) to get nasty things done in a quick/efficient manner.

Aliens, beware.

 

[musical marv]

marv thanks for the gracious comment.

We do respect your views here.

I rarely get on my soapbox about stories unless women and children are being killed, maimed and tortured.

Then I find it hard NOT to support sending in the bald eagles / angels of death.

In that respect I do support the Republicans wholeheartedly.

When a superpower supports the poor, the weak, and those unable to fight for themselves then I am behind them all of the way.

The fact that the US has shown so much constraint over the recent embassy attacks shows they are the morally superior people ... even though they must bite their lip do so.

Whilst the Europeans would often call the US immature and uncultured in the past it is clear today that that is not the case.

I appreciate the admiration you have for my country. Thanks. It makes me feel good that this war we are fighting is not in vain like in Viet Nam we did and when I came home the Americans looked down upon us with no respect at all.

 

[Reynod]

Yeah well my two uncles went to Nam and got similar treatment here when they got home.

Thankfully in recent years people are treating the Vietnam vets with a lot more respect.

Somebody should have bitchslapped Jane Fonda and the rest of those hippies instead of buying their records and listening to them at rallies.

Blame the administration for that war but the way the ordinary folk treted the vets when they came home was pi$$ poor.

When a man is drafted to go to war how can you blame him for doing his duty for his country?

 

[musical marv]

Yeah well my two uncles went to Nam and got similar treatment here when they got home.

Thankfully in recent years people are treating the Vietnam vets with a lot more respect.

Somebody should have bitchslapped Jane Fonda and the rest of those hippies instead of buying their records and listening to them at rallies.

Blame the administration for that war but the way the ordinary folk treted the vets when they came home was pi$$ poor.

When a man is drafted to go to war how can you blame him for doing his duty for his country?

So was Sylvester Stallone a phony running to canada to avoid the draft.Then making these bullshit rambo movies.What a joke.

 

[fazers_on_stun]

Just found Wyoming ... looks as sparse as South Australia and colder than Tasmania.

No beaches ... hmm ... I don't think I am going to get anyone here that will want to invade that place.

Also ... too many hills.

Actually Rhode Island (where I was born 😛) is the smallest state. In fact the speed limit there is mostly 25mph except on the freeways and interstate, just to make it feel larger to the commuters 😀

 

[wanamingo]

http://www.romneytaxplan.com/

Romney finally released his tax plan

 

[chunkymonster]

http://www.romneytaxplan.com/

Romney finally released his tax plan

FAIL!

Don't get suckered like I did, don't waste the click...it's gag redirect to www.barackobama.com

Barack Obama: If you don't have any fresh ideas, then you use stale tactics to scare voters. If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from. You make a big election about small things.