The Road to Fermi: A Look Back on News Leaks

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ATi may not need a Fermi-killer. What if it's stillborn?
I am already certain (I can't claim to "know") that the card draws too much juice to ever find its way into any rig I'll ever build (same is true of the HD5970).
I wonder how many fanboys who have been drooling over this will install it into their rigs and promptly blow their "800W" PSUs. I may well take to the skies in my roflcopter to survey the carnage.
nVidia, if you want to impress me, make a card that has the power of a HD5750 (or better!) but doesn't need a power connector.
 
I think even if FERMI is 10% faster they still won't have the single card crown. The 5970 still remains the champion (besides price). Until there is a Dual GPU FERMI (interesting there have been absolutely no rumors about that possiblity) they probably won't be forcing any huge price shifts anytime soon.

I think the reason why prices will not go down as fast this time around is that because they are at the bleeding edge of die manufacturing process with yields so small they have to keep the prices up to actually make the price per die profitable. I think what would be really interesting is to see how many dies per wafer they are actually producing and how that translates to the product cost in the end.

ATI may be at a close to maximum yield for their process so they may be able to put the heat on nVidia regardless. If FERMI does end up being the fastest single GPU solution ATI should reduce prices to keep the market share momentum going.

Here is an interesting article regarding die process analysis:
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2010/1/21/nvidia-gf100-fermi-silicon-cost-analysis.aspx
 
I LOVE the hype, I'm a hardware junkie, a performance NUT... I love this stuff for god sakes! TOMS: Ignore people above who complain, I say bring it on, keep me interested.

If it flops or impresses, either way my interest will be peaked. The industry needs more of this, more reasons performance hardware still matters, show us some cool stuff. I'm here because this is one of my hobbies. Period.
 
So now Toms gives us news stories about news stories about pictures of box art? The Nvidia PR machine sure has weight.

The SemiAccurate site has provided fascinating (and, in the event, very accurate) background on Fermi since last summer. If you want to know the real "road to Fermi", check them out. One recent column claimed that due to the small number of functional Fermi parts, poor relative performance, and other ills, Nvidia will only permit test boards to go to "reliable" reviewers. So expect all early first-hand reports to be soft on the deficiencies and long on the few points Nvidia wants emphasized (Cuda, PhysX, raw tesselation). In light of that, let's see what Toms produces tomorrow.
 
[citation][nom]knowom[/nom]If your really going to complain about all the free publicity Nvidia has gotten you might as well start with semiaccurate because Charlie D has given out more free publicity to Nvidia than anyone possible least we forget the age ole saying any publicity is good publicity.[/citation]

So exposing a long trail of technical failure and marketing deception, affecting the value of millions of delivered products, is "giving free publicity"? I don't think so. I think it's an important function of the press. You won't find such analysis here in Tom's, for some reason, but Demerjian's "SemiAccurate" site is a very good source.
 
You have to read SemiAccurate kinda like you read nVidia benchmarks. They are both very slanted, neither should be believed without heavy questioning first.
 
You guys expect more than what you deserve. AMD prices are perfect right now with the exception of the 5830. The only way AMD is going to reduce the price on the 5 series is by NV's 470 beating the 5850 at 350.00$ and the 480 beating the 5870 at 499.99$.

Also I see a bunch of you talking about how Fermi will cough when paired with an 800w PSU? How would you know if the card has not been benched for power draw vs. the 5 series??
 


I think it might have been just me, and although I live in East TN now, I'm not from here, so I've not let myself get big enough to be mistaken for a bunch. It isn't Fermi, but the "800W" (read: cheap generic / chokemax with an 800W label on it) PSU that will choke. If, as some articles have suggested, it will need 295W, or "over 300W" of power, that's 25A just for the GPU.

 
[citation][nom]rhino13[/nom]You have to read SemiAccurate kinda like you read nVidia benchmarks. They are both very slanted, neither should be believed without heavy questioning first.[/citation]

Very true of course the same can be said about benchmarks in general. AMD, Intel, and Nvidia have all been known to skew benchmark results to look good in their own favor on numerous occasions.

As for SemiAccurate the name itself says it all what serious journalist would work for a site with a name like that and what sane person would actually believe all of their nonsense? I'd sooner believe someone that says they can communicate with ghosts than Charlie.
 
But as much as I feel benchmarks can be suspect as well, I really want to see some from Toms!

I saw something in the interweb saying that nVidia had threatened to push the NDA back. That is not allow benchmarks out yet :
 
[citation][nom]rhino13[/nom]But as much as I feel benchmarks can be suspect as well, I really want to see some from Toms!I saw something in the interweb saying that nVidia had threatened to push the NDA back. That is not allow benchmarks out yet :[/citation]
Nvidia wants to sell a bunch before they let official sources release mediocre benchmarks.
 
ati and nvidia keeps concentrating on the high end. but where are the high end games?! the last high end game was considered too high end and the companies of game makers and tech hardware all complained about it.
 
It's 11:34AM on the Pacific coast, It's almost time for my lunch break and I would LOVE to spend it reading about Fermi... TOM's has a lot of different readers in different time zones, I think we need a countdown timer REALLY REALLY BAD!!!!
 
[citation][nom]jtt283[/nom]I am already certain (I can't claim to "know") that the card draws too much juice to ever find its way into any rig I'll ever build (same is true of the HD5970). I wonder how many fanboys who have been drooling over this will install it into their rigs and promptly blow their "800W" PSUs. [/citation]

Well, considering Nvidia/Intel "fanboys" aren't known as quote the penny pincher crowd, I have my doubts anyone would run into an issue like that.

Nobody ever addresses when people ask why so much hate over a new generation of products. I've got an Nvidia card, it plays everything I play at well over 100fps. The only thing missing is DirectX11, but I've yet to see a reason to upgrade because of it, or I would have put a 5970 on order-- but I'd rather avoid the whole repeat of the DirectX9 fiasco, which was the same situation. Everyone was pooping their pants for the hardware, then the games came out and they were unplayable on $300 cards.

[citation][nom]Arbie[/nom]If you want to know the real "road to Fermi", check them out.[/citation]

Oh god, why do people care? A company makes a new product. Product goes out to compete in the market. If good, people buy it. If it is garbage, then people don't buy it as much. I'd be willing to bet less than 1% of people really give a crap about what happens at the company in question, how it got there, or whatever.

On the same note, I heard China lets wealthy business owners pollute rivers that are the only supply of water for entire towns, resulting in many sicknesses and deaths; but officials look the other way because of the revenue they generate. You should use all that nerd rage to get mad and not buy anything from China, talk bad about China in Internet forums, and really show China you don't like them. :)

 
[citation][nom]maydaynomore[/nom]Where are the benchmarks? Its Friday.....[/citation]

No kidding. All we've heard for weeks is how Tom's has the cards, has them benchmarked and were just waiting for the NDA to lift. Looks like they aren't as tight with manufacturers as people try to lead us to believe.
 
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