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[-Fran-]

This is a bogus comparison. Direct-die water cooling has always yielded like low double-digit improvements on just about any CPU. People are even direct-die cooling Raptor Lake!

If you could provide comparison data, that would be nice. Going by memory, I haven't seen anything as drastic to what der8auer found with Zen4. Specially at the power level in which Zen4 moves, which is not that high either.

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[bit_user]

If you could provide comparison data, that would be nice. Going by memory, I haven't seen anything as drastic to what der8auer found with Zen4. Specially at the power level in which Zen4 moves, which is not that high either.

I'm not saying it's not a more drastic improvement than with other CPUs, but just listing delidded vs. stock gives a misleading impression to people not familiar with how much improvement you typically get from delidding.

Sorry, I can't prepare a survey of delidded die temps. I'm just citing what I've seen on the subject, over like the past decade. People can do their own research into this, if they're interested.

 

[thestryker]

Well, that's interesting because I found this:

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"on a lapped CPU with a lapped cooler, der8auer was able to reduce his Intel CPUs' junction temperatures by as much as 7.1ºC."​

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https://hothardware.com/news/alder-lake-ilm-mod-big-drop-in-core-i9-12900k-cpu-temps​

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Yeah that's all XOC stuff where the coolers themselves have been flattened. If you put a flattened cooler on a CPU that hasn't been (especially LGA 1700 without contact frame) you end up with temperature problems.