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Derek,
It works fine but you have to use the console version on additional processors. I.E. you can only run 1 copy of the graphical version on your multiprocessor machine, the console version runs on the other processors. See the Folding@Home FAQ for more details on this.
http://folding.stanford.edu/faq.html#run.dual
Bill
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It works fine but you have to use the console version on additional processors. I.E. you can only run 1 copy of the graphical version on your multiprocessor machine, the console version runs on the other processors. See the Folding@Home FAQ for more details on this.
http://folding.stanford.edu/faq.html#run.dual
Bill
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Here's a link to a FAQ thread for folding that we put together. I'm having trouble getting it to come up at the moment, but I think we addressed this question in there. At least we should have it is by far one of the most common questions.
http://forumz.tomshardware.com/software/THGC-Folding-home-team-40051-Frequent-Asked-ftopict230774.html
Anyways, you need to run the console version of F@H. When you configure the console version you can specify the console ID which needs to be different for each core. If you run two instances of the graphical client it will most likely run two copies on the same core and you don't get any benefit. So if you haven't already install the console version and set the two sessions with different ID numbers.
If you have questions feel free to post.
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http://forumz.tomshardware.com/software/THGC-Folding-home-team-40051-Frequent-Asked-ftopict230774.html
Anyways, you need to run the console version of F@H. When you configure the console version you can specify the console ID which needs to be different for each core. If you run two instances of the graphical client it will most likely run two copies on the same core and you don't get any benefit. So if you haven't already install the console version and set the two sessions with different ID numbers.
If you have questions feel free to post.
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I haven't read all the posts here (Please don't make me read 56 pages of posts, I'm not up to reading a novel just now) but I'm still wondering with all the people Tom's has, why isin't its folding score much higher? I'm sure this is the most popular computer site on the internet... shrug...
But then again, I shouldn't be talking since I'm planning on joining [H]OCP's team... but I've been reading them way before Tom's...
But then again, I shouldn't be talking since I'm planning on joining [H]OCP's team... but I've been reading them way before Tom's...
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*cough*
Tom's isn't the "most" popular site. The main reasons we are not in the top ten are some sites are hardcore(people with 8 folding running) and they have more people start earlier
Tom's isn't the "most" popular site. The main reasons we are not in the top ten are some sites are hardcore(people with 8 folding running) and they have more people start earlier
Hmmmm... I think Tom's is pretty much the biggest computer specialty site on the web (discounting CNET, PCWorld, and all those mainstream sites). Especially since Tom's has a real active community. I would really like Tom's to rise in the rankings since I think it deserves the recognition.
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Well, I'm trying to do my part. 😀
I just found out about this on Oct. 8th and got my first machine folding that evening. I've managed to collect a little over 5000 points in just a little less than 3 weeks, I figure that ain't bad.
I tried to spark a little interest about a week ago but it didn't seem to take. I would really like to see this take off again. It's a worthwhile cause.
Bill
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I just found out about this on Oct. 8th and got my first machine folding that evening. I've managed to collect a little over 5000 points in just a little less than 3 weeks, I figure that ain't bad.
I tried to spark a little interest about a week ago but it didn't seem to take. I would really like to see this take off again. It's a worthwhile cause.
Bill
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...just...can't....submit....annoying....crap....out...of....me...
on the lighter side, i talked to the system administrator at my school... he said he'd think about getting folding running. But i think it's still highly likely he says no. unfortunately, even if, i highly doubt we would submit to team 40051 🙁 just imagine an additional ~200 modern computers (3ghz intels)... MMMMMMMMM. either way it would go to a good cause.
any way in which to convince him that there is no security riskand that there is no reason NOT to run F@H on school computers?
Ara
on the lighter side, i talked to the system administrator at my school... he said he'd think about getting folding running. But i think it's still highly likely he says no. unfortunately, even if, i highly doubt we would submit to team 40051 🙁 just imagine an additional ~200 modern computers (3ghz intels)... MMMMMMMMM. either way it would go to a good cause.
any way in which to convince him that there is no security riskand that there is no reason NOT to run F@H on school computers?
Ara
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Thanks for the update. Guess I must really consider which upgrade should I choose, a dual core X2 or a X1900XT. Of course, if I had my way, I would get both, but its not possible atm.
Had relatives who succumbed to cancer and recently, my good friend lost both of his parents to cancer. I doubt we will find cures for cancer and other diseases within a year or so, but with folding, we might be able to reduce the time needed to find a solution singnificantly.
I am even reading up on how to build a folding cluster farm, though time is pretty tight on my side and not able to put in effort right now, realising that its not as easy as I thought it would be.
Still, I am trying to spread the word around on how important folding is and every little contribution counts. Though I admit reading up on the latest research paper that Stanford has released, I do not fully comprehend its importance.
To me, as long each paper is a step towards finding or reaching a cure for these dreaded diseases, it makes all our folding that much worthwhile.
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If you need help setting up a farm, let me know.
I have plenty of experience with disk less clients (no HD).
I had a P3 farm of about 40 machines, that was originally supposed to top out at 120, but financial difficulties forced me to shut it down after about a month or so. I'm still eBaying the old boxes.
I have plenty of experience with disk less clients (no HD).
I had a P3 farm of about 40 machines, that was originally supposed to top out at 120, but financial difficulties forced me to shut it down after about a month or so. I'm still eBaying the old boxes.
re security&stability of folding on a win32-pc: unfortunately I had to stop my long-term-experiment: I sold my PC to a friend, that was on october 26th. until then from april 9th on I had this PC folding with a permanent connection to the net. I had no firewall or AV-software which was up to date. I didn't make any windows-updates (no reboot!!)
and it kept folding. I checked the open connections and maybe out of luck or because it's simply not "normal" net-use, I had no strange mail-servers or something running on my "honeypot" - the only thing I kept watching out for, was not to use "normal" ports like 80, 8080, 443, etc.
so in my experience, it's pretty stable and secure enough! (nearly 6 months without reboot also speaks for winXP and my energy-provider! thanks!)
and it kept folding. I checked the open connections and maybe out of luck or because it's simply not "normal" net-use, I had no strange mail-servers or something running on my "honeypot" - the only thing I kept watching out for, was not to use "normal" ports like 80, 8080, 443, etc.
so in my experience, it's pretty stable and secure enough! (nearly 6 months without reboot also speaks for winXP and my energy-provider! thanks!)
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Well, I'm trying to do my part. 😀
I just found out about this on Oct. 8th and got my first machine folding that evening. I've managed to collect a little over 5000 points in just a little less than 3 weeks, I figure that ain't bad.
I tried to spark a little interest about a week ago but it didn't seem to take. I would really like to see this take off again. It's a worthwhile cause.
Bill
Keep on Folden'
Me too. Tried to convince one of my friends to convert from UD to FAH, but did not succeed. 🙁
However, at least he's contributing to useful scientific research, unlike some others whom I heard scoff at the idea of folding, bcos of the increase in electricity bills and their short-sightedness in not realising that FAH is actually a very worthwhile cause.
As for the increase in electrical bills, I believe that by eating one less luxury meal per month should be able to offset the increase. Though for those who have multiple machines (5 or more) running 24/7, it might be some cause for concern.
I really hope there are more folders like you. Even though you have joined the team quite recently, you are among the top 20 producers in our team. I have a very strong feeling that it will not take long for you to overtake my current ranking.
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Dude...
Use the console version rather than the graphical version. The console version will run as a background service and will be very difficult for a non-techy to find. No icons or anything like that.
You sure you should be doing that to peoples computers without their permission? Just wondering, wouldn't want folks getting upset with the folding project.
Bill
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Use the console version rather than the graphical version. The console version will run as a background service and will be very difficult for a non-techy to find. No icons or anything like that.
You sure you should be doing that to peoples computers without their permission? Just wondering, wouldn't want folks getting upset with the folding project.
Bill
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Dude,
In that case I'm guessing you are using an older version. I've been using the 5.04beta version and it installes right in as a service without any problems, completely invisible to the user, no icons, no windows, no nothing. Runs as a low priority service and uses all unused CPU cycles. The easiest way is to use the "Windows-service-install" option.
Bill
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In that case I'm guessing you are using an older version. I've been using the 5.04beta version and it installes right in as a service without any problems, completely invisible to the user, no icons, no windows, no nothing. Runs as a low priority service and uses all unused CPU cycles. The easiest way is to use the "Windows-service-install" option.
Bill
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Why only 10%? FAH? That's like running a 300MHz Proc (w/ SSE, etc extensions)
FAH is the lowest priority task. It only uses cycles that would otherwise be wasted. If you want to test it, try running SuperPi with FAH on & off. The only way it will make a significant difference, is if insufficient cooling results in thermal throttling.
There is a great article, although a little old, HERE
As far as installing as a service goes
Download 5.04 Beta client HERE
During the initial setup, choose "install as windows service"
After instalation, type "services.msc" in a run box & scroll to F@H. It should be set to start automatically.
If you need more help, PM me.
FAH is the lowest priority task. It only uses cycles that would otherwise be wasted. If you want to test it, try running SuperPi with FAH on & off. The only way it will make a significant difference, is if insufficient cooling results in thermal throttling.
There is a great article, although a little old, HERE
As far as installing as a service goes
Download 5.04 Beta client HERE
During the initial setup, choose "install as windows service"
After instalation, type "services.msc" in a run box & scroll to F@H. It should be set to start automatically.
If you need more help, PM me.
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I have to agree with cunning. Unless the office computers are running deadlineless WUs, they might not be able to met the deadline set by Stanford.
I did a small test myself. When I reduced my CPU Usage Percent slider to 50% from 100% while crunching a P1809 Amber Core for about 5 mins, the time took to complete a frame increased from about 3 mins to more than 12 mins. This shows that the WUs really need the CPU power.
Maybe you could show your boss that as long as the Core Priority is set to the lowest, productivity will not be affected in any way, bcos users will not experience any lag or slowdowns when doing their usual work, as FAH uses only cycles not being used by the users. It will not compete with other priorities.
I did a small test myself. When I reduced my CPU Usage Percent slider to 50% from 100% while crunching a P1809 Amber Core for about 5 mins, the time took to complete a frame increased from about 3 mins to more than 12 mins. This shows that the WUs really need the CPU power.
Maybe you could show your boss that as long as the Core Priority is set to the lowest, productivity will not be affected in any way, bcos users will not experience any lag or slowdowns when doing their usual work, as FAH uses only cycles not being used by the users. It will not compete with other priorities.
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Yeah... That is all true, but I think we are beating a dead horse here. I admit I haven't been doing this for a long time and I can't speak as to the functioning of the older clients. None of this is actually important to Geekys needs or the 5.04 beta client when run as a windoz service.
Just download the 5.04 beta client, install it and select the option to run as a windows service. This will set it up to run in the background as the lowest priority job on the system. There won't be any screens, windows, or icons associated with it. The CPU will always be running at 100% but user applications will have priority. The net effect is that the user won't even notice it and won't be slowed down by folding@home at all.
As to the "CPU Usage Percent" slider issue, I beleve it is meaningless in the context of a "Windows Service". I've installed Folding as a windows service on 2 machines and haven't noticed its presence at all, doesn't mean it isn't there, just means I didn't see it. It may well be in the setup. If so just leave it at 100% and folding will use all unused CPU time without the user being aware of it, unless you tell them.
I have seen the "CPU Usage Percent" slider in the "Advanced" tab on the graphical client and I'm think this is what is being refered to. I think Geeky is misunderstanding the functioning of this slider as well. This slider does NOT allocate some percentage of CPU resources to folding, it sets a max CPU usege above which folding will remain idle. I.E. Folding will run using all unused CPU cycles up to the setting, above that folding won't go, the user can, but folding won't. If you set "CPU Percentage" to 10% then folding will hardley ever run because it will only run at all when the user is at less then 10% and even then will only fill in up to the 10% point. I don't think this is what everybody is thinking here.
Remember, the "CPU Usage Percent" is NOT how much is allocated to folding@home. It is a limit that folding@home will not push the CPU beyond. This is just a guess but I'm thinking the "CPU Usage Percent" limit is there for thermal limiting purposes. If your CPU keeps getting hot and shutting down, then lower it a bit. This is especally useful for AMD CPUs which don't self thermal limit.
Get the 5.04 beta client here and install it as a service and solve your problems. Invisible to the user and the user can't close it.
http://folding.stanford.edu/download.html
Bill
Just download the 5.04 beta client, install it and select the option to run as a windows service. This will set it up to run in the background as the lowest priority job on the system. There won't be any screens, windows, or icons associated with it. The CPU will always be running at 100% but user applications will have priority. The net effect is that the user won't even notice it and won't be slowed down by folding@home at all.
As to the "CPU Usage Percent" slider issue, I beleve it is meaningless in the context of a "Windows Service". I've installed Folding as a windows service on 2 machines and haven't noticed its presence at all, doesn't mean it isn't there, just means I didn't see it. It may well be in the setup. If so just leave it at 100% and folding will use all unused CPU time without the user being aware of it, unless you tell them.
I have seen the "CPU Usage Percent" slider in the "Advanced" tab on the graphical client and I'm think this is what is being refered to. I think Geeky is misunderstanding the functioning of this slider as well. This slider does NOT allocate some percentage of CPU resources to folding, it sets a max CPU usege above which folding will remain idle. I.E. Folding will run using all unused CPU cycles up to the setting, above that folding won't go, the user can, but folding won't. If you set "CPU Percentage" to 10% then folding will hardley ever run because it will only run at all when the user is at less then 10% and even then will only fill in up to the 10% point. I don't think this is what everybody is thinking here.
Remember, the "CPU Usage Percent" is NOT how much is allocated to folding@home. It is a limit that folding@home will not push the CPU beyond. This is just a guess but I'm thinking the "CPU Usage Percent" limit is there for thermal limiting purposes. If your CPU keeps getting hot and shutting down, then lower it a bit. This is especally useful for AMD CPUs which don't self thermal limit.
Get the 5.04 beta client here and install it as a service and solve your problems. Invisible to the user and the user can't close it.
http://folding.stanford.edu/download.html
Bill
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OK... I've just done some testing and found a small hitch when installing the 5.04 beta client if another client was previously installed. When the new client is run it runs using the old clients "client.cfg" file. Since the old client wasn't using service mode the new one won't eather and since there is already a "client.cfg" file it just uses the old configuration..
Here is what you do:
Download the new 5.04 beta client and copy it to your folding directory. Make sure your old copy of folding isn't running. Delete the file "client.cfg". Delete the old client "FAH???.exe" program, do NOT delete the FahCore_??.exe files. Run the new "FAH504-Console.exe" in the same directory and it will ask you some configuration questions. Be sure to answer "yes" to the "run as a service" question.
Your new client will run in a console window like it always did till you re-boot the machine. After re-boot it will be running as a windows service and be completely invisible.
After re-booting give the machine a minute, after the desktop it up, to get everything started. Press "Ctrl-Alt-Del" then select the "Performance" tab and you should see the "CPU Usage" at 100%, that's folding doing its thing. Now try running a few of your favorite applications, it should be dificult to tell that folding is even there for you, nearly impossible for someone who doesn't know about it.
Bill
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Here is what you do:
Download the new 5.04 beta client and copy it to your folding directory. Make sure your old copy of folding isn't running. Delete the file "client.cfg". Delete the old client "FAH???.exe" program, do NOT delete the FahCore_??.exe files. Run the new "FAH504-Console.exe" in the same directory and it will ask you some configuration questions. Be sure to answer "yes" to the "run as a service" question.
Your new client will run in a console window like it always did till you re-boot the machine. After re-boot it will be running as a windows service and be completely invisible.
After re-booting give the machine a minute, after the desktop it up, to get everything started. Press "Ctrl-Alt-Del" then select the "Performance" tab and you should see the "CPU Usage" at 100%, that's folding doing its thing. Now try running a few of your favorite applications, it should be dificult to tell that folding is even there for you, nearly impossible for someone who doesn't know about it.
Bill
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