Thuban conclusions over a variety of websites - AMD fans enjoy!

[Chad Boga]

Right so the X6s defeat the i5s and i7s in well coded apps, only to become more numerable with time, and matches them with lesser optimized apps and games.

Seems pretty clear to me.

Remember the quadcore is 3 years old and yet for the first time ever the next step in core count is already showing a lot of benefit, that's pretty nice too.

Don't confuse well coded with multithreaded.

Some apps are unlikely to ever become multithreading champions, certainly not in the next few years.

As for your claims about defeating and matching, you bias blinds you to the fact that there are at least as many apps that Thuban loses to an 860, as beats it, yet you use the language of "matches", when Thuban loses out.

For BOTH processors, there are wins, losses, draws.

Overall, the most generous interpretation I could give is that top end Thuban matches an i7-860, a more realistic interpretation is that the i7-860 slightly edges it out.

 

[milki654]

It is clear. Looking forward, the X6 is the only valid choice of current cpu's at that price range.

Intel badly needs a price drop or a new cpu, simple as that. People will still buy the i7's, but they are doing it out of basically not really understanding that AMD offers the better cpu, for less.

I agree. Most people are saying that not a lot of programs uses 6 cores, which is true for now. How about the next year or two, or three years from now. Not everyone builds a new rig every year. Especially with the thuban release and gulftown not long ago, many programers will start writing there programs so they can use all the available cores. So thats why I'm getting Thuban instead of 930 as I planed at beginning.

 

[AMW1011]

Why would they?? Since AMD only managed to keep up with i7s as of now and it took them to bring out 6 core to do it. 860s and 930s
are very competitive against 1090Ts.
I don't think you would want Intel to start price war against AMD, AMD is already running on thin margin with those $289 6 cores.

The 1055T is cheaper and will pull ahead in well optimized applications and games, which are becoming more numerable by the day. So how is it very competitive?

I don't think you will notice much of a difference, but the 1055T is the obviously the better deal.

 

[Chad Boga]

It was never going to be much. The 1055T is obviously on a par with the 860 and 930, with the 1090T being a step beyond. There was never going to be a huge difference amongst any of these cpu's though.

Seriously, it is one thing to put forward the argument that the 1090T is on par with the 860 and 930, but it is sheer nonsense to be suggesting the 1055T manages that.

You make a laughing stock of yourself, but I guess as you have no credibility to lose, why not. :lol:

 

[ksampanna]

So isn't that a handicap for the 1090T? I mean, 50% more processors than the 930/920, yet similar performance. Not very efficient, is it?
Exactly why Intel can price the 980X at a premium. It's per-core performance scaling is unmatched

 

[milki654]

So isn't that a handicap for the 1090T? I mean, 50% more processors than the 930/920, yet similar performance. Not very efficient, is it?
Exactly why Intel can price the 980X at a premium. It's per-core performance scaling is unmatched

Thuban has 6 cores which makes 6 threads, 930 has 4 cores 8 threads... Which is more fair?

 

[AMW1011]

Don't confuse well coded with multithreaded.

Some apps are unlikely to ever become multithreading champions, certainly not in the next few years.

As for your claims about defeating and matching, you bias blinds you to the fact that there are at least as many apps that Thuban loses to an 860, as beats it, yet you use the language of "matches", when Thuban loses out.

For BOTH processors, there are wins, losses, draws.

Overall, the most generous interpretation I could give is that top end Thuban matches an i7-860, a more realistic interpretation is that the i7-860 slightly edges it out.

I see Thuban defeating the i5 750 and the lower i7s more than it loses to them, with the majority being a tie with the swing only slightly in one direction or the other.

How do you see anyway that the i7 860 edges out Thuban? The 1055T costs $80 less and is very much on par with the performance of the i7 860, 920, or 930.

Oh and as for bias, look at my signature. Your right, I'm a huge AMD fanboy.

Bringing up accusations of bias and the ad hominem remarks do not validate your opinion, they actually do quite the opposite.

 

[AMW1011]

So isn't that a handicap for the 1090T? I mean, 50% more processors than the 930/920, yet similar performance. Not very efficient, is it?
Exactly why Intel can price the 980X at a premium. It's per-core performance scaling is unmatched

First, your comparing 6 cores to 4 cores and 8 threads, a pretty legitmate comaprison in my mind.

Second, I don't care how many cores it uses, as long as it gives similar or better performance while not throwing power efficiency out the window.

So I guess you never buy ATI cards because it takes, on average, 4 of ATI's shaders to match 1 of nVidias, regardless of price or performance.

 

[ksampanna]

dude, 6 physical cores should theoretically give better performance than 4 physical threads + 4 virtual ones (everything else neglected). But it doesn't happen on the Thuban. Which is why it is not very efficient.

 

[Chad Boga]

I see Thuban defeating the i5 750 and the lower i7s more than it loses to them, with the majority being a tie with the swing only slightly in one direction or the other.

How do you see anyway that the i7 860 edges out Thuban? The 1055T costs $80 less and is very much on par with the performance of the i7 860, 920, or 930.

Knock yourself out and try not to embarrass yourself to this extent again.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3674/amds-sixcore-phenom-ii-x6-1090t-1055t-reviewed

If you can't work out how I reached my conclusions after reading that review, I can only assume your are unable to read.

 

[ksampanna]

I see Thuban defeating the i5 750 and the lower i7s more than it loses to them, with the majority being a tie with the swing only slightly in one direction or the other.

How do you see anyway that the i7 860 edges out Thuban? The 1055T costs $80 less and is very much on par with the performance of the i7 860, 920, or 930.

Oh and as for bias, look at my signature. Your right, I'm a huge AMD fanboy.

Bringing up accusations of bias and the ad hominem remarks do not validate your opinion, they actually do quite the opposite.

Then why on earth do you have an i5 750 running at 4 G? Why not an AMD BE 965 or something?

 

[Look]

^ Because he is using SLI? Just a thought.

I wish I could justify spending the money and upgrading my processor to one of these. Maybe in a couple years, but the difference in performance isn't great enough to warrant it IMO.

 

[ksampanna]

First, your comparing 6 cores to 4 cores and 8 threads, a pretty legitmate comaprison in my mind.

Second, I don't care how many cores it uses, as long as it gives similar or better performance while not throwing power efficiency out the window.

So I guess you never buy ATI cards because it takes, on average, 4 of ATI's shaders to match 1 of nVidias, regardless of price or performance.

Au Contraire. I've a 5850 & I love.

 

[AMW1011]

Knock yourself out and try not to embarrass yourself to this extent again.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3674/amds-sixcore-phenom-ii-x6-1090t-1055t-reviewed

If you can't work out how I reached my conclusions after reading that review, I can only assume your are unable to read.

I've read 4 reviews.

Why don't you read the review yourself and note how close the 1055T and the i7 860 are, with some winning and some losing at times. Notice how most leads are insignificant for both sides.

Now tell me, honestly, that you would pay $80 for the i7 860.

Your abrasive and ignorant remarks are not appreciated Chad, I've been civil and I would like it if you showed me the same respect, or this will become another useless thread of flaming and insults.

 

[jennyh]

These intel cpu's are smarter than we thought, using 8 threads when winning but 4 cores when losing. :lol:

Basically just ignore Chad AMW, most of the rest of us do by now.

 

[AMW1011]

Then why on earth do you have an i5 750 running at 4 G? Why not an AMD BE 965 or something?

Like Look said, I was prepared to spend the extra money on an i5 750 based system over a cheaper Phenom II 925 or 955 system, a $60 difference at the time, so that I could avoid nVidia chipsets and have the option to use crossfire since, at least at that time, ATI was completely dominating. I would never see the difference between the Phenom II X4 and the i5 750, even the handful of apps where the i5 750 gives a semi-significant lead in are totally useless and unused by me.

 

[jennyh]

This is the difference here.

These X6's are truly trouncing the i7's at the same price point, when both cpu's are being pushed to the limit. Even the i7 975 EE cannot compete with the 1090T's real cores.

The intel crowd is basically arguing that the X6 is a mediocre cpu at doing what it wasn't really designed to do. Looking forward, it is patently clear that 6 real cores are a far better choice than 4 cores with HT.

 

[Chad Boga]

Basically just ignore Chad AMW, most of the rest of us do by now.

Actually YOU can't ignore me because I keep exposing your lies.

Later on this week when I have some time, I will gather some results of the 1055T(in particular) vs an i7-860, to show just how ridiculous your claims of a 1055T being on par with an i7-860/i7-930 really are.

You won't be able to hide.

 

[ksampanna]

OK forget pricing, forget everything.
Lets say someone puts a 6 core 1090T & a 4 core 860/920/930 in front of you, & tells you they are similarly priced, & have overall similar performance. Would you not wonder that why the 6 core chip is not outpacing the others by a significant margin? You know that the 4 core chips are proving more than a handful for the 6 core. Would you not say then, that the 6 core chip must be inferior?

 

[FALC0N]

Jenny,
I don't know how to break it to you, but many apps are not highly multithreaded nor will they become so in the next few years.

Thus a person's computing experience is almost certainly going to depend on a combination of highly multithreaded apps and not so highly multithreaded apps.

However, most people create their own multithreaded environments. Almost all people Multitask in some form that makes multiple core advantageous. Especially if have remotely effective security software. The single app benchmarks that most sites use dont really reflect all this. So in a way, it doesn't entirely matter that the individual apps are not entirely multithreaded.

 

[AMW1011]

Well all I have to say is this, 3 years later the Q6600 will dominate any dualcore in GTA 4, BFBC2, and almost any intensive app. Yet at launch the Q6600 got its ass handed to it pretty regularly by the equal priced 3.0 GHz E6850. And unlike the Q6600, there are a few apps and games that fully use the extra cores that are provided at launch.

 

[Chad Boga]

I've read 4 reviews.

Why don't you read the review yourself and note how close the 1055T and the i7 860 are, with some winning and some losing at times. Notice how most leads are insignificant for both sides.

I disagree that they are close overall.

Close on a few benchmarks, but not close overall.

Are you seeing the results of the 1090T and confusing them with the 1055T?

Now tell me, honestly, that you would pay $80 for the i7 860.

Yes, and later on this week when I deal with Jenny's ignorance I will provide information which shows how little attention you have been paying to reviews as well.



EDIT: for the F@#King quote tags

 

[Look]

OK forget pricing, forget everything.
Lets say someone puts a 6 core 1090T & a 4 core 860/920/930 in front of you, & tells you they are similarly priced, & have overall similar performance. Would you not wonder that why the 6 core chip is not outpacing the others by a significant margin? You know that the 4 core chips are proving more than a handful for the 6 core. Would you not say then, that the 6 core chip must be inferior?

You would also inform the person that the 4-core processors have HyperThreading, correct? Or are we going to pretend that HT doesn't exist?

 

[FALC0N]

So isn't that a handicap for the 1090T? I mean, 50% more processors than the 930/920, yet similar performance. Not very efficient, is it?

Only as an academic argument. How a processor achieves speed is of little consequence to the end user. Debates like more cores, vs more faster cores doesn't really matter in the end.

 

[AMW1011]

OK forget pricing, forget everything.
Lets say someone puts a 6 core 1090T & a 4 core 860/920/930 in front of you, & tells you they are similarly priced, & have overall similar performance. Would you not wonder that why the 6 core chip is not outpacing the others by a significant margin? You know that the 4 core chips are proving more than a handful for the 6 core. Would you not say then, that the 6 core chip must be inferior?

No...

Where you aware when the C2Qs came out? They were useless compared to duals. Give the hexacores time, likely less than 3 years this time, and they will show their true colors. They might not be 50% faster, but they will be faster.

I disagree that they are close overall.

Close on a few benchmarks, but not close overall.

Are you seeing the results of the 1090T and confusing them with the 1055T?

Now tell me, honestly, that you would pay $80 for the i7 860.

Yes, and later on this week when I deal with Jenny's ignorance I will provide information which shows how little attention you have been paying to reviews as well.

No, the i7 860 is slightly ahead overall, but that will change in time and is NOT in anyway worth $80 more. We are talking a 5% difference here from my guesses.

Really? So you would throw $80 at theoretical, insignificant, and unnoticeable performance? Perhaps it is not I that needs to step back for a moment.

No, the X6s aren't as good as Jenny makes them out to be, but did you expect anything less? They are good enough to make buying an i5 or i7 a very difficult decision.