To all those BITCHING about Prescott!!

oymd · Feb 2, 2004

You all were bitching about the P4 when it first came out, and how worse it was compared to the PIII...

and in a few months we all praised the mighty INTEL for the greatest chip on earth...the... "cough" "P4" as well!!!!! (1.8AGHZ)

and now u r all starting all over again...so STOP ALREADY...in a few months we all will be craving to get a PRESCOTT!!!

CaptainNemo · Feb 2, 2004

bog off, troll...

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oymd · Feb 2, 2004

sonny....I've been on these forums for a little over 3 years...and this is the first time I've been called a troll...

I am SHOCKED!!

lol...get a life son..

Vapor · Feb 2, 2004

It's spelled with two Ts.

Anyway, I personally think that there is nothing to bitch about. It has up and down performance relative to Northwood, going down in games mostly--I don't mind that. Combined with supposedly great OC potential (eventhough it's hot as hell at stock speeds...don't quite understand that one), it might be worth a try. But if somebody wants the best overall or the best gaming CPU--just don't use Prescott. Also, the SSE3 and HT instructions have yet to be coded for (MPEGConcept did, but only one of the instructions is video encoding anyway).

My two cents: it's not a bad CPU, but it's no record breaker.

Maxtor disgraces the six letters that make Matrox.

oymd · Feb 2, 2004

"TT" fixed...thanks for the heads up!!

Guest · Feb 2, 2004

I agree that the Prescott that we see right now could be compared to the willamette P4. One thing is bugging me tough. For the last few month weve been waiting for prescott, saying oh yeah the A64 does great but lets see how it performs against the P4E. Now that its out, everyone is like ummmm lets wait and see what Tejas will have to offer.
This CPU is kind of a mystery to me. While I could imagine some people rushing to the store to buy some A64 while it was hot and new. I cant see anyone running to the store for a Scotty.
Now the only thing that make sens is that this processor is only a transition, some way to tune their 90nm process and such.
Now Tejas should be another story, the change in the name should indicate a change in the architechture not just a 45 stage 6ghz cpu...

DeEvolution · Feb 2, 2004

Do not think of Prescott as having meaning or value to an enthusiast. Think of it from the OEM perspective. Intel can force OEMs to upgrade their cases to ones with better airflow and better power supplies. At the same time Intel gets more CPUs per wafer than with Northwood, thus saving them money. Prescott was a foot in the door of the etching technology (as well as likely Yamhill technology, though we will probably never see that in a Prescott) and thus a means of furthering their future plans without hindering present performance.

Prescott is not an A64 killer. It is a business move.

"Sad is the elephant upon the ice who went to put on his wooly coat only to realize that he left it in his other trunk." - DeEvolution

jammydodger · Feb 2, 2004

You all were bitching about the P4 when it first came out, and how worse it was compared to the PIII...

Yes but the P4 based on the Willy core was pants, it was only untill Northwood came along that the P4 really shined.

Im almost certain that in a few months I will not be craving to get a Prescott. At present it offers no performance advantages over the northwood. Unless in the next 3 months every single application I use is re-released with SSE3 and hyperthreading optimisations, there will be no reason for me to get it.

Prescott might be worth getting once it has moved form as478 to the new socket. But at the moment I cant see a single reason why i would want to buy it other than to say "Look everyone ive got the brand new P4!".

[Insert witty comment here]

Mephistopheles · Feb 2, 2004

You know what the funniest part is?

At INTRODUCTION, in MHZ
Willamette/Prescott
1400/2800 (lowest)
1500/3000
1600/3200
1700/3400 (highest)

It's an exact double. And Willamette topped out at 2.0 or 2.2Ghz... I'm not sure... which is about half the clock speed by which Prescott probably will be replaced, too! Which is about 4.0-4.5Ghz... It's exactly twice.

Pointless, I know... Just a few useless thoughts of mine.

I think Prescott is to Tejas what Willamette was to Northwood...

DeEvolution · Feb 2, 2004

Coincidence is the jest of fate.

"Sad is the elephant upon the ice who went to put on his wooly coat only to realize that he left it in his other trunk." - DeEvolution

Guest · Feb 2, 2004

>You all were bitching about the P4 when it first came out,
>and how worse it was compared to the PIII...

Yep.

>and in a few months we all praised the mighty INTEL for the
>greatest chip on earth...the... "cough" "P4" as well!!!!!
>(1.8AGHZ)

Nope, a few years later we praised mighty intel for one of their greatest chips in recent history: the revamped P3 known as Banias.

>in a few months we all will be craving to get a PRESCOTT!!!

Willamette has never became a good chip, I definately never craved one. P4 only became a decent chip after the die shrink, and cache doubling that made Northwood. Well, if you are going to wait for another shrink and cache increase of Prescott this time, you may need a lot of patience...

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TheRod · Feb 2, 2004

It's not pure bashing, it's just that many people expected more from the Prescott. It will probably be a great 4GHz CPU (at least, for marketing purpose

).

And like anyone says, it's not worth upgrading to Prescott now, more heat for the same performance. The CPU will only cost more electricy and maybe PSU upgrade to actual P4 users.

QUESTION : Do you think Intel will stop speeding up P4C? Probably!

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pIII_Man · Feb 2, 2004

if intel made a 90nm exact copy of the p4 with maybe 1mb (aka pull a tualatin) of cache they would have a damn nice processor and it would definitly scale to 4ghz...

If it isn't a P6 then it isn't a procesor
110% BX fanboy

Frozen_Fallout · Feb 2, 2004

Yeah but this is still a P4 not P5 like you said the Willy sux and it still does Yes the P4 is better now but they never really improved the Willy and I would guess that like the Willy, Prescott wont improve that much until they come out with a better core for the P4, (like they did with the transision from the Willy to the NW) or they come out with the P5 (which ever comes first I would guess)

But I do exept the fact that once SSE3 and the new HT comes out this Prescott my work better in alot of diffrent areas but I don't see Prescott getting any better exept for increasing clock speed.

You also have to look at it from Intels point of veiw yes this core isn't better then the North Wood but guess what its cheaper for Intel to make so in the end it works out for them because really it isn't worse then the North Wood.

Thats just my Opinion

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Guest · Feb 2, 2004

>f intel made a 90nm exact copy of the p4 with maybe 1mb
>(aka pull a tualatin) of cache they would have a damn nice
>processor

Just like a P3 on a smaller process and more cache (tualatin) was likely a much nicer processor than Willamette. Like many people (including myself) wondered what the deal was with intial Pentiums (60/66) when old 486DX4 outperformed them on many benches.

By contrast, every new AMD chip is vastly superior to its predecedor, K5->K6, K6-> Athlon, Athlon->Athlon XP, XP-> A64.

OTOH, every new AMD chip seems to run out of steam by the end of its life time.. K6 was getting pathetic once P2 really ramped, Athlon Classic (slot A) was holding its own against the P3 own but also lost performance ground due to its slow (2/5 speed) external cache, AXP got beaten hands down by the P4 near the end of its life.

Somewhat different way of designing and planning I guess. Intel gets better as it matures, AMD seems to get stuck after a while and everyone is waiting for their next chip.. Thunderbid might have been the only exception, and maybe K8 will be the next ?

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Mephistopheles · Feb 3, 2004

Indeed! I figure that Intel must apply a smoothening algorithm, so to speak, to their performance curve. It is smooth and it grows faster than AMD's curve.

However, AMD's curve, while growing slower, sometimes leaps in performance, and when they do, they'll be ahead of Intel. But, as the generation ends, Intel's higher performance derivative will get them better chips than AMD's. This was the case with barton. Something like:

performance>
+------------------>
|X
|-0X
|--0-X
|---0--X------------GENERATION END
|--------X--0------------GENERATION START
|----------X-0
|------------X0
|--------------X------------Point of equal perf.
|---------------0X
|----------------0-X
|-----------------0--X------------GENERATION END
|----------------------X--0------------GENERATION START
|------------------------X-0
|--------------------------X0
|----------------------------X
V
time

0 - AMD Performance
X - Intel performance or Point of equal performance.

Well, this is using the resources at hand... I hope you can imagine something with this... It's a graph that has been rotated clockwise by 90 degrees. It was easier to make in standart text characters that way, and represents an idea I was thinking about...

This is still no excuse for prescott's performance right now, though!!! 😡
Edited by Mephistopheles on 02/03/04 00:05 AM.

Frozen_Fallout · Feb 3, 2004

You know I kinda find it funny though... People about 3 months or so ago where bitching about how AMD didn't improve there performance as much as was hoped. They kept on saying that Intel was going to blow the Athlon64 out of the water with this Prescott chip and now that it is out people are just saying wait a while longer until they improve Prescott or wait for the new core Intel is going to make.

I just find it funny how allot of people a few months ago who where complaining about how Athlon64 wasn’t that much of an improvement and how it sucked because it didn't give the 100% boost that many thought that it would (I don't understand that because I was happy with the results that the A64 gave us) are now saying that this brand new core of Intel’s isn't that bad because its at least on par with the NW.

Although if you are right and in the long run Prescott shows its true colors and kicks the crap out of the A64 then I guess Im wrong.

To put it simply I am very very happy with the performance of the A64 not only did improve in the areas that it was already doing good in (Gaming) it also greatly improved in areas that the Athlons couldn't even compete with Intel in.

I am very very disappointed in this Prescott in that in not only didn't improve over all it also lost power in areas where the A64 is kicking ass in like Gaming.

The way I kind of see it. (not that I know anything about what Intel is thinking) but as far as I can see Intel seems like its backing out of the Gaming area because AMD seems to have that area and it is starting to work on other areas. Im not saying Im even close on this one its just a simple observation.

(Yeah Yeah I know my spelling sux)

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Spitfire_x86 · Feb 3, 2004

You all were bitching about the P4 when it first came out, and how worse it was compared to the PIII...

Yeah, why who have problems with it? Unless you want to make people beleive that they should buy prescott now, because 1 year later new generation prescotts may turn out good, so they will be able to brag saying that we have the ancestor of this great cpu in my box.

and in a few months we all praised the mighty INTEL for the greatest chip on earth...the... "cough" "P4" as well!!!!! (1.8AGHZ)

WTF?!?!! Northwood 1.8A was great at stock speed? I've rarely heard BS like it. NW "A" didn't suck big time like Willamette, it was merely okay at stock speed. AXP 1700+ can beat NW 1.8A GHz in almost every benchmark by noticable margin. The reason why many enthusiasts bought NW 1.8A because it was highly overclockable compared to palomino AXPs. At overclocked speed, it was the fastest. Currently, between NW 1.8A GHz and AXP T-bred "B" 1700+, the later one is the automatic choice. AXP T-bred "B" 1700+ is faster at stock speed and even better overclocker.

P4s started to become real good from Northwood "B". It was after ~20 months of Willamette release. Did Northwood "B" made the fact false that Willamette was horrible and Willamette buyers got fvcked up by Intel?

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juin · Feb 3, 2004

The only good new i have found is future Prescott thos in Q2/Q3 will use less power.As they only work with FMB 1.5 those 3.4 and lower will work with FMB 1.0 and thee a chance that 3.6 will too after that will be FMB 1.5 only.SO i can guess power consumation will decrease by 15 watt.90NM was suppost to be at 1.2 volt not 1.3 they are kind of border ligne prescott.It weird it the 1 time that is not a mix of RCdelay/heat that restreint the CPU only power consumation.Let hope that scalling for prescott is really better.

I dont like french test

POPE_ETERNAL · Feb 3, 2004

Isn't it clear.... Intel is playing the MHZ game

screw IPC

They will keep up the stages and upping the MHZ to compensate for the huge latencies

then they can say HEY BUY THE NEW PENTIUM 5 6.0 GHZ or buy a 3.5 GHZ ATHLON 64.... NO CONTEST INTEL WINS

except benches will the show the athlon faster in most apps

but the lemmings will see 6.0GHZ is faster than 3.5GHZ gimme the Pentium 5

and the funny thing...from what i am hearing... AMD will play the game right back with the k9... lengthing its pipelines...but running DUAL CORE

POPE_ETERNAL · Feb 3, 2004

Intel is playing the MHZ game.... they will sacrifice overall speed for the big MHZ number

endyen · Feb 3, 2004

Well, once again amd chips are just better.

SoDNighthawk · Feb 3, 2004

AMD just released a 64 Chip at 3400+ with a 1 MB L2 Cache and improved the FSB by another 200MHz as I said they would do before Intel got off their lazy asses, now it looks like any effort Intel has made is to ignore the 64 bit market in total either because they don't have the technology to offer one or they are trying to fix in house problems with current CPU's as this looks very much the case by the 3 Intel chips they just released and THG has a review about on the main THG page.

It still looks to me even after Mephisto's half decent explanation that Intel simply got left behind this time and does not have a 64 bit CPU they can offer.

If this is the case generating a viable CPU at that level will take them 5 years to accomplish. It is so apparent that the XP CPU's AMD released to market were so well made that AMD had plenty of time this last 2 years to complete a Viable 64 and Intel is still struggling to simply get what they have working.

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Guest · Feb 3, 2004

>If this is the case generating a viable CPU at that level
>will take them 5 years to accomplish

5 years is about right for developping a core. Thing is, Intel did not just start working on it last month. They will have one ready 01H05

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SoDNighthawk · Feb 3, 2004

I want to hear what your wife says about all this and stop talking in code I do not have my book handy.

I would need a DOS emulator handy and loaded up to keep some of the screws locked down on you guys 😉

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