Tom's Hardware Superposition Benchmark Thread

[jankerson]

The only GB boards I ever lost was when the house took a direct lightning strike and it blew everything out on the whole house.

That's every electric device in the house wasted.

Was so bad it melted the main power cable coming into the house, the one going into the main power box.

 

[EquineHero]

Having owned 3 different Gigabyte boards, that served my uses just fine, I would have to disagree that brand is the problem.

GA P55M UD2 i7 870.

Is that a Fractal Design Core 1000? Frickin love that case.

I don't trust Gigabyte or MSI for anything.

@EquineHero
You get what you pay for so thats why its cheap....Now what i see here is a lot of cheaper parts, the main capacitor is a Panasonic but only rated for 85c not 105c like the better capacitors..The rest are CapXon´s from China which are not the best you could use.

Except it says right on the capacitor 105C in the image I posted.

Having owned 3 different Gigabyte boards, that served my uses just fine, I would have to disagree that brand is the problem.

Running 2 Gigabyte boards here.. Currently.

One that's over 7 years old and still going, GA P55M UD2.

And the Z270 Gaming K3 in my current i7 7700K machine.

Z270 Gaming K3 i7 7700K

GA P55M UD2 i7 870.

@EquineHero
You get what you pay for so thats why its cheap....Now what i see here is a lot of cheaper parts, the main capacitor is a Panasonic but only rated for 85c not 105c like the better capacitors..The rest are CapXon´s from China which are not the best you could use.

Does this mean that the CX is crap / trash / junk / garbage or any other such things NO! they are NOT! that bad they are just mediocre, but you should buy something better if you are building a gaming and/overclocking rig and if you can afford it otherwise you are just being cheap.
On the other hand if you are building a very basic machine for office work web browsing media viewing and other light task a CX is perfectly FINE!.

Mine died last month and fried my motherboard ...

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Corsair/CX600M/11.html
http://www.overclock.net/t/1431436/why-you-should-not-buy-a-corsair-cx430-500-600

My statements of fire hazard extend to modding an old CX with connectors it was never meant to have NOT the base, stock CX. The stock CX units are exactly what they are, a budget power supply.

I've used Gigabyte exclusively going back to at least 2002 in my personal builds. No problems with their boards. They did have issues with LGA 1156 and the P55 boards but it was related to the actual socket which was made by Foxconn and the issue was resolved quickly.

"never meant to have"
Then why are there two empty holes where the wires are soldered that say "PCIE"? That's all I did was solder the wires. I don't have to use them if I don't want, but in one of the images you can see it's labelled "800" where they stick the wattage. Take apart any CX series and you'll see that stamp.

How did they solve the problem? I've got a P55D-Evo tripe crossfire that won't finish post and I REALLY wanna use it. Tried an i5 540 and an i7 870 and neither passes post. i3 produces a PCI error and the i7 produces a DRAM error...but both work in an OEM Dell board.

 

[jankerson]

Having owned 3 different Gigabyte boards, that served my uses just fine, I would have to disagree that brand is the problem.

GA P55M UD2 i7 870.

Is that a Fractal Design Core 1000? Frickin love that case.

I don't trust Gigabyte or MSI for anything.

@EquineHero
You get what you pay for so thats why its cheap....Now what i see here is a lot of cheaper parts, the main capacitor is a Panasonic but only rated for 85c not 105c like the better capacitors..The rest are CapXon´s from China which are not the best you could use.

Except it says right on the capacitor 105C in the image I posted.

Having owned 3 different Gigabyte boards, that served my uses just fine, I would have to disagree that brand is the problem.

Running 2 Gigabyte boards here.. Currently.

One that's over 7 years old and still going, GA P55M UD2.

And the Z270 Gaming K3 in my current i7 7700K machine.

Z270 Gaming K3 i7 7700K

GA P55M UD2 i7 870.

@EquineHero
You get what you pay for so thats why its cheap....Now what i see here is a lot of cheaper parts, the main capacitor is a Panasonic but only rated for 85c not 105c like the better capacitors..The rest are CapXon´s from China which are not the best you could use.

Does this mean that the CX is crap / trash / junk / garbage or any other such things NO! they are NOT! that bad they are just mediocre, but you should buy something better if you are building a gaming and/overclocking rig and if you can afford it otherwise you are just being cheap.
On the other hand if you are building a very basic machine for office work web browsing media viewing and other light task a CX is perfectly FINE!.

Mine died last month and fried my motherboard ...

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Corsair/CX600M/11.html
http://www.overclock.net/t/1431436/why-you-should-not-buy-a-corsair-cx430-500-600

My statements of fire hazard extend to modding an old CX with connectors it was never meant to have NOT the base, stock CX. The stock CX units are exactly what they are, a budget power supply.

I've used Gigabyte exclusively going back to at least 2002 in my personal builds. No problems with their boards. They did have issues with LGA 1156 and the P55 boards but it was related to the actual socket which was made by Foxconn and the issue was resolved quickly.

"never meant to have"
Then why are there two empty holes where the wires are soldered that say "PCIE"? That's all I did was solder the wires. I don't have to use them if I don't want, but in one of the images you can see it's labelled "800" where they stick the wattage. Take apart any CX series and you'll see that stamp.

How did they solve the problem? I've got a P55D-Evo tripe crossfire that won't finish post and I REALLY wanna use it. Tried an i5 540 and an i7 870 and neither passes post. i3 produces a PCI error and the i7 produces a DRAM error...but both work in an OEM Dell board.

It's the Fractal Design Focus G Mid Tower, it is a nice case for what I am using it for, looks nice too.

 

[Deleted member 217926]

If I remember correctly they just stopped selling boards made with the defective socket. A bad batch went out when P55 was released.

 

[jankerson]

If I remember correctly they just stopped selling boards made with the defective socket. A bad batch went out when P55 was released.

Yeah, I think they did stop.

Why the Revision numbers changed on the P55 boards from what I remember.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

You would not be able to load a CX600 to 800W before a protection kicked in or the voltage regulation got way out of hand.

 

[Rogue Leader]

I see clearly on the board where it says 800, but there is nothing to indicate that is the wattage. This psu is not the GS as you described but an old CX. Known for putting out "just about" what is on the label. Also as Turkey said you'd never get 800w out of a 600w psu. No CX800 ever existed and the platform of the GS was not the same as the CX. So there is literally nothing to indicate that 800 is wattage, at all.

Now fire hazard may be a stretch assuming you can soldier well, but running a psu right up against its OCP is not a good idea at all. Yeah it may not have failed yet, you got lucky. That's all it is, because if you did this 5 times I guarantee the outcome would not be the same.

 

[EquineHero]

You would not be able to load a CX600 to 800W before a protection kicked in or the voltage regulation got way out of hand.

That's wrong. We've already confirmed that this is some demon child Corsair PSU and is definitely not a CX600.
I filled out Outervison's PSU calculator, lo and behold, 790W load. I play GTA5 on my rig on three screens, have the 580 dedicated to PhysX, I render 1080p60 videos for my YouTube channel, and I export animations for NSFW sites in Blender on a near daily basis - CPU and both GPUs are at 100% load during most of those activities except for gaming, where CPU reaches 80% and GPU (1070) reaches 100% while the 580 picks up what the 1070 can't handle. I don't know if GTAV makes use of CUDA or PhysX but I see spikes of up to 50% on the 580 when playing most DX11 games.

https://outervision.com/b/NxMEup

I see clearly on the board where it says 800, but there is nothing to indicate that is the wattage. This psu is not the GS as you described but an old CX. Known for putting out "just about" what is on the label. Also as Turkey said you'd never get 800w out of a 600w psu. No CX800 ever existed and the platform of the GS was not the same as the CX. So there is literally nothing to indicate that 800 is wattage, at all.

Take apart ANY Corsair PSU where the PCB is made by Corsair and you will see that the number stamp is to indicate wattage.

I'm no PSU expert (this guy is) but I'm 100% certain this is some f'd up child of Corsair that came out the factory wrong.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

I filled out Outervison's PSU calculator, lo and behold, 790W load

Your problem is you think Outervision calculator is actually good. It's not accurate. If Outervision says 790W load that usually means your load is always under 600W. You can look up actual wattages in real reviews, not Outervision's money scam. They're probably paid off by every PSU company, they probably reap in a little bit of profit from Silverstone, EVGA, Seasonic, etc. (conspiracy, but nonetheless outervision is inaccurate).

Take apart ANY Corsair PSU where the PCB is made by Corsair and you will see that the number stamp is to indicate wattage.

You should go to the Jonnyguru forums and ask Jonnyguru, see what he says.

 

[EquineHero]

I filled out Outervison's PSU calculator, lo and behold, 790W load

Your problem is you think Outervision calculator is actually good. It's not accurate. If Outervision says 790W load that usually means your load is always under 600W. You can look up actual wattages in real reviews, not Outervision's money scam. They're probably paid off by every PSU company, they probably reap in a little bit of profit from Silverstone, EVGA, Seasonic, etc. (conspiracy, but nonetheless outervision is inaccurate).

Take apart ANY Corsair PSU where the PCB is made by Corsair and you will see that the number stamp is to indicate wattage.

You should go to the Jonnyguru forums and ask Jonnyguru, see what he says.

That's actually wrong, the calculator on Outervision's site is the same calculator as the one on Cooler Master's site, Seasonic's site, and a few others, see for yourself. It's an open source HTML5 application that's shared among a lot of sites.

MSI's calculator doesn't have the Sandy Bridge-WS list for the E3 1240.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

Your power is this:

Intel Xeon E3-1240: 80W
GTX 1070: 225W
RX 580: 225W
3 hard drives: 30W
Mobo: ~20W
Fans, keyboard, mouse, LEDs: 10W

I get a tad under 600W doing my math. Not 790W. The trickier number is the 1070's power, give or say I give that number some flexibility of +-15W probably.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

That's actually wrong, the calculator on Outervision's site is the same calculator as the one on Cooler Master's site, Seasonic's site, and a few others, see for yourself. It's an open source HTML5 application that's shared among a lot of sites.

MSI's calculator doesn't have the Sandy Bridge-WS list for the E3 1240.

Cooler Master, Seasonic, and every one of those sites' PSU calculators are all wrong. The power usage is always higher than what actually happens. Websites like HardOCP measure power from the wall for entire systems, and when you factor in efficiency the power out is always way less than what Outervision or any other site will show for power. Seasonic and Cooler Master make more money if they say it's more wattage than you need. If you were on the board of financial advisor's you'd probably also recommend overrating the wattage to sell higher wattage units.

 

[Deleted member 217926]

^ Turkey is correct. Those calculators mostly overestimate to account for the use of low quality and group regulated power supplies that don't supply all their wattage on the 12v rail more than any conspiracy though. Like the Corsair CX.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

My guess is he's probably running it right around the rated amperage for the 12V rail of the PSU. Of course it depends on what hardware is doing what at what time. Not usually is everything going full max all the time. The CPU may be using only 50W a lot of the time, or the GPUs may be using a lot less than the numbers above.

 

[EquineHero]

Your power is this:

Intel Xeon E3-1240: 80W
GTX 1070: 225W
RX 580: 225W
3 hard drives: 30W
Mobo: ~20W
Fans, keyboard, mouse, LEDs: 10W

I get a tad under 600W doing my math. Not 790W. The trickier number is the 1070's power, give or say I give that number some flexibility of +-15W probably.

That's actually wrong, the calculator on Outervision's site is the same calculator as the one on Cooler Master's site, Seasonic's site, and a few others, see for yourself. It's an open source HTML5 application that's shared among a lot of sites.

MSI's calculator doesn't have the Sandy Bridge-WS list for the E3 1240.

Don't forget that my 1070 is overclocked to 2100Mhz and all 6 fans are on full blast (they're quiet).

I also unlocked my 1070's power limit by doing the power shunt mod as I said earlier in this thread. That allowed me to reach 2100Mhz stable in the first place.

Regardless of whether or not my PSU is 600 or 800W effectively, it can support the 580 without problems because my CPU isn't some overlclocked Threadripper or i9 BS that consumes like 400W of power.

On a more on-topic note, do you think I should add a rule that users can have multiple cards on the Superposition chart? I wanna give my 580 a run for its money.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

I didn't forget your 1070 overclock, that's precisely why i listed it as 225W instead of 150W. Also desktop fans use generally under 2W at full blast.

 

[EquineHero]

I didn't forget your 1070 overclock, that's precisely why i listed it as 225W instead of 150W. Also desktop fans use generally under 2W at full blast.

Well then I don't know why everyone flipped out when I said I added two additional 8-pins to my PSU. I don't suck at soldering and the PSU can obviously handle it. Not like I'm running a 3790K at 4.5Ghz.

If a 580 and a 1070 plus my CPU and 4 drives still uses the amount the PSU is rated for, why did everyone flip a deuce? Because I think it's some hellspawn 800W? What does that matter?

back on thread topic. Should I add an exception for multiple cards per user?

 

[Someone Somewhere]

Because they're saying your load is 'just under 600W', and your PSU is considered to be just able to deliver 600W...

I see Rev1.2 on there, not Rev1.0 as you stated earlier?

That's the third generation CX600. I can't really find much on it.

 

[The Paladin]

I would run HWINFO and see what your CPU/motherboard power and Video card wattage consume while your running your gaming. its more likely accurate then the web site, though in a pinch the web site is a good idea for a base number...

 

[YoAndy]

I didn't forget your 1070 overclock, that's precisely why i listed it as 225W instead of 150W. Also desktop fans use generally under 2W at full blast.

Well then I don't know why everyone flipped out when I said I added two additional 8-pins to my PSU. I don't suck at soldering and the PSU can obviously handle it. Not like I'm running a 3790K at 4.5Ghz.

If a 580 and a 1070 plus my CPU and 4 drives still uses the amount the PSU is rated for, why did everyone flip a deuce? Because I think it's some hellspawn 800W? What does that matter?

back on thread topic. Should I add an exception for multiple cards per user?

Because like I pointed out before..
the CX, GS line are just mediocre, They will do great on initial tests but they won't last, Not good at all, they mostly use cheap boards, chinese or taiwanese made capacitors(good PSU use Japanese). That's why they are cheap power supply units.. you should buy something better if you are building a gaming and/overclocking rig and if you can afford it otherwise you are just being cheap.
On the other hand if you are building a very basic machine for office work web browsing media viewing and other light task a CX is perfectly FINE!. But you are not using it for light work so you are playing with fire.

And like I mentined Mine died last month and fried my motherboard I was running a single Overclocked GTX 980 Ti an overclocked i7 and a water pump with multiple fans in my case( 7 total) and it died less than 2 years of use, it was a GS700 ...

 

[logainofhades]

Not all CX are created equal. The 450m-650m do not use the same platform as the new 750m+. The 650m got an editor recommended award. Medicore hardware does not get such status.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/corsair-cx650m-psu,4770.html

 

[EquineHero]

Because they're saying your load is 'just under 600W', and your PSU is considered to be just able to deliver 600W...

I see Rev1.2 on there, not Rev1.0 as you stated earlier?

That's the third generation CX600. I can't really find much on it.

Ah, I see. I had thought it was 1.0, just never really paid attention. First gen was 2008-ish.

I would run HWINFO and see what your CPU/motherboard power and Video card wattage consume while your running your gaming. its more likely accurate then the web site, though in a pinch the web site is a good idea for a base number...

Okay

I didn't forget your 1070 overclock, that's precisely why i listed it as 225W instead of 150W. Also desktop fans use generally under 2W at full blast.

Well then I don't know why everyone flipped out when I said I added two additional 8-pins to my PSU. I don't suck at soldering and the PSU can obviously handle it. Not like I'm running a 3790K at 4.5Ghz.

If a 580 and a 1070 plus my CPU and 4 drives still uses the amount the PSU is rated for, why did everyone flip a deuce? Because I think it's some hellspawn 800W? What does that matter?

back on thread topic. Should I add an exception for multiple cards per user?

Because like I pointed out before..
the CX, GS line are just mediocre, They will do great on initial tests but they won't last, Not good at all, they mostly use cheap boards, chinese or taiwanese made capacitors(good PSU use Japanese). That's why they are cheap power supply units.. you should buy something better if you are building a gaming and/overclocking rig and if you can afford it otherwise you are just being cheap.
On the other hand if you are building a very basic machine for office work web browsing media viewing and other light task a CX is perfectly FINE!. But you are not using it for light work so you are playing with fire.

And like I mentined Mine died last month and fried my motherboard I was running a single Overclocked GTX 980 Ti an overclocked i7 and a water pump with multiple fans in my case( 7 total) and it died less than 2 years of use, it was a GS700 ...

Yeah, an overclocked 980Ti AND an overclocked i7. An OC'd 980Ti is like 400W and an OC'd i7 can use a lot too. You probably got a low binned unit.

I'm using a 1070 which uses less power than the 980ti and I'm using a stock clocked low-power Xeon and I'm gonna get the E3 1275 at some point because it uses even less power (3w less).

 

[jankerson]

To get things back on track.

Well here is the results from my I7 870 machine with an RX 480, all stock.

 

[EquineHero]

To get things back on track.

Well here is the results from my I7 870 machine with an RX 480, all stock.

You have the worst score out of anyone on the official Unigine board, at least for the XFX version.

 

[jankerson]

To get things back on track.

Well here is the results from my I7 870 machine with an RX 480, all stock.

You have the worst score out of anyone on the official Unigine board, at least for the XFX version.

Ah well. LOL

Old machine, 1st gen I7.

Does well in other BM though.

Doubt many are running RX 480's with 1st gen I7's.