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Hello...I just read and replied to a thread where a guy wanted to add a graphics card, to his older desktop...same thing I need to do.

I need a good performance card for the older type PCI socket...not a PCI-e / PCI express.... because my older HP a1240n mother board, does not allow for AGP or PCI-e.

And from all the reading I have done, there is no such thing as an aftermarket adapter which "correctly" adapts a regular PCI slot to AGP or PCI-e....meaning it will perform 100% as it should.

This is a shame because my other desktop, a HP a620n does have AGP and it has a Radeon X850 PRO, that I installed back when they were new on the market.

....But my HP a620n w/Radeon X850 PRO will not support a CPU over 2.2ghz. I can play a MMO such as "Dungeons and Dragons online" but a game such as "Tera online", requires a 3.2mhz or better CPU.

My HP a1240n mother board only has a 3.0mhz CPU, so I just bought an "upgrade" (CPU 3.4mhz --Socket: LGA775 #550 Intel processor...which is the largest CPU the board will support) This is the board I have: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00361570&lc=en&cc=us&product=1130587

I then bought a refurbished Radeon X850XT Platinum graphics card for it BUT....then wen I received it, realized the Radeon X850XT is PCI-e ....not the basic PCI...so I can't even use it.

I'm now I'm back to the drawing board.....trying to find a "good" gaming card, for my old HP a1240n system.

Any suggestions? Ebay is full of them.... cheap...but I want to get the best one I can.
 
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go with my build ull be happy.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/BlyL
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/BlyL/by_merchant/
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CPU: AMD A10-5800K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($123.79 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus F2A55-M/CSM Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard ($79.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($44.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: Antec 450W ATX12V Power Supply ($38.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $287.75
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re-use my current power supply -----ANTEC 400W HCG-400 GAMER power supply
Motherboard---Asus F2A55-M/CSM
AMD A10-5800K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor
Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory
SAPPHIRE 100358L Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 CrossFireX Support Video Card

looks good and u can reuse ur hard-drive with an ide cable for now and buy one when u can afford it

 
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NO, he cant re-use the HDD, new motherboards do not support IDE at all.
 
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Just to trim some fat off the build: why not go AM3+ and save $50? A10 alone will be $130, maybe $120 on sale, whereas an Athlon 640 and mobo will be that combined:

Athlon 640 3.0Ghz x4; $80:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103871
ASRock 960GM; $55 plus shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157323

Reasoning behind this: The A10 was initially brought up as a budget idea to save money, as both CPU and graphics unit will be on the same chip and there wouldn't be a need to buy a separate graphics card; the GPU integrated in it is better than any other integrated solution on the market, and better than some lower entry-level cards, but not quite up to snuff with what would be needed for TERA. Since we're now going with the HD 7770 - an excellent price/performance choice- the integrated portion of the A10 will go unused, and thus you'd be paying a premium for a feature that will never be used. Performance-speaking, the 3.8GHz quad A10 benchmarks very, very closely to the 3.2GHz quad Phenom 955, which can be had on sale for $80, and usually sits around $90.

Granted, the above 640 will be a *little* behind the A10 computationally; a Phenom 955 would be an almost perfect substitution, but I don't think that much kick is needed. I'm just thinking we could reevaluate the parts since some of them are using features not being used.

Bonus: that mobo has ATA133 header if you still want to carry over that IDE drive, though that will introduce performance limitations if you use it as the primary. But as a storage drive or if you have financial docs on it that you don't want to shuffle around, you could still get a new SATA drive and put in both.

I'm not trying to throw a wrench in the plan, I'm always playing budget advocate, as computer building has this tendency to go way over budget with 'just one more piece'.
 
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Interesting...just by dumb luck, that was the model I was looking at online. I think I originally found it through the link you made with the other components. Not a bad HD.... as it's in my price range and seems to meet my gaming needs.


 
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Joafu...I see where your coming from... but I'm a computer guy who is just learning...so I wish I could say I strongly agree or don't agree with what your saying. Its difficult for me because when you guys say a particular part will be a little behind or slower etc than another part, I cant quite grasp just how much of a difference some of those tech figures equate to in actual real world performance.

I'd rather do my build just a little bit better than I have to, so that I won't look back and say ...well maybe I should have spent that extra $20 or $30 or a certain part.

I follow what your saying in that some of the hardware; I'm paying more than I really need to, when I'm not really going to be utilizing some of that particular parts capabilities anyway...and therefore its sort of wasting some money. I can see that point.

(Just as a side note and not wanting to get off track too much here ... a far as being able to play a game such as TERA, I haven't ever played it before, so I'm not even sure if I'll like it enough to want to play it...after trying it out and giving it a fair shake. I'll have to see what other members have to say about it to form a better opinion. It will have to be as good or better content-wise not bimbo-wise, than DDO for me to stick with it.
I really like playing DDO (having grown up playing around a kitchen table on paper, back in the 1980's...but sometimes it would be fun to get into a different MMOPPG for the evening. Or...maybe something else will emerge on the MMO scene that is even better....so I don't want to be under equipped so to speak, should something new pop up in the next year or two.)


 
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My build was taking a back seat the last two days...too many "honey do" lists assigned to me by the wife...But I'm back to the project now.

I was looking at the Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) operating system GFC-02050 for about $90.

Then... I'm also trying to decide upon a CPU cooler for the AMD A10-5800K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor.

There are so darn many CPU coolers/fans out on the market.... I'm trying to sort through which one will keep my CPU cool, without going totally overboard.

(I recently ordered a Evercool Buffalo HPFI-10025 Heat Pipe CPU Cooler for my a1240n's 3.4Ghz PCU LGA 775 Socket and that turned into a good 6 hours of deciding.)
 
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I'm not sure if I would over clock it or not...so maybe an an upgraded cooler is an unnecessary expense for now.

How good is the original CPU cooler that comes boxed (with the AMD A10-5800K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor)?

If the original will keep the CPU cool enough, maybe I can just use the one that comes with it.
 
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Yeah its totally good enough. Like I said I have a 5800K with a stock cooler in one of my builds. Does not run hot at all. Nor is it loud.
 
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Ok guys...I'm still thinking about this custom build and have the money to do it but....please let me now throw a monkey wrench into the mix.

I just posted in the custom build thread, a question about a ASUS Essentio CM5675-07 used system I stumbled upon today. I had wondered it there were any decent pre-built systems out there that might do the job...rater than build from scratch.

ASUS Essentio CM5675-07 Desktop PC Intel Core i5 650(3.20GHz) 8GB DDR3 1TB HDD Capacity Intel HD Graphics Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit

Here are the specs: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883220055

I realize it would mean I'd have to upgrade the 300w power supply (I already have an ANTEC 400W HCG-400 GAMER, which I can reuse from my old machine.

The ASUS Essentio CM5675-07 doesn't have a separate graphics card installed.... so It would also need a good 3D graphics card too.

Am I wasting my time.... even considering taking this route vs. the proposed build, since its a Intel Core i5 650?

I just really like to think things through very thoroughly, before I start buying anything.
 
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Yea...I though that would likely be the case. It would run me $300 shipped if I took that route. Only "advantage" ...if you wan to call it that... is that it is complete with Windows 7 (64) bit installed.
 
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Well...I'm working on putting together the order tonight. So far I ordered:

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO RR-212E-20PK-R2 Continuous Direct Contact 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler Compatible with latest Intel 2011/1366/1155 and AMD FM1/FM2/AM3+

AMD A10-5800K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor

Asus F2A55-M/CSM Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard

Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory

Western Digital Caviar Blue 500 GB,Internal,7200 RPM,3.5" (WD5000AAKX) Hard Drive

(I'm reusing my ANTEC 400W HCG-400 GAMER power supply out of my HP 1a620, since I'm gutting it to use the case)

Still need to order a few more things:

Windows 7 (64) bit operating system

SAPPHIRE 100358L Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 CrossFireX Support Video Card

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I have a question regarding the Asus Motherboard, which offers USB 3.0. The product description shows it has (3) USB 3.0 ports on it.

However, my HP a620 case (which I plan to utilize) will still have (3) 2.0 USB connections on the front of the case tower. Will I still be able use these connections on the case?.

..Or will I now have to replace those (3) USB 2.0 connections on the case and upgrade them to 3.0 USB? I certainly want to take advantage of 3.0 USB speed over the 2.0 port speed if its easy and not expensive to upgrade them.
 
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Question regarding the SAPPHIRE 100358L Radeon HD 7770 ...

Brand: SAPPHIRE
Model: 100358L
Interface: PCI Express 3.0 x16
Chipset Manufacturer: AMD
GPU Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition

System Requirements: 400 Watt Power Supply is required

The power supply I'll be using is my ANTEC 400W HCG-400 GAMER....which just meets the basic power requirement. Is this power supply going to be ok?

Second thing is that the motherboard has the following Slots: 2x PCI-Express 2.0 x16 Slots (one runs at x4), 1x PCI-Express 2.0 x1 Slot, 1x PCI Slot

But the graphics card says SAPPHIRE 100358L Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 CrossFireX Support Video Card

If I only have 2x PCI-Express 2.0 x16 Slots (one runs at x4) how will the Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition be able to work with this motherboard? :pt1cable:

I was just looking at http://reviews.cnet.com/windows/microsoft-windows-7-ultimate/4505-3672_7-33704141.html#!

It seems Windows 7 ULTIMATE version has advantages, as it also runs older XP games pretty well.


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UPDATED----I just found this thread about PCI Express 3.0 x16 and using cards with motherboards that might now be. ...seems its not really an issue. http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/359704-33-express-work-express-express
 
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It might not really be an issue anyway.... since I see the motherboard also has 10x USB 2.0 Ports (4 rear, 6 at mid-board) ......or at least that what the specs read
 
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