News TSMC is reportedly in talks with Nvidia to make Blackwell GPUs in Arizona — Blackwell silicon needs to be shipped back to Taiwan for assembly

[Admin]

If TSMC reaches a deal with Nvidia, it could reportedly produce Nvidia's Blackwell GPUs at its Fab 21 in Arizona.

TSMC is reportedly in talks with Nvidia to make Blackwell GPUs in Arizona — Blackwell silicon needs to be shipped back to Taiwan for assembly : Read more

 

[YSCCC]

From what it looks there seems to have no reason to manufacture the chips in US fab, when all parts are made in Taiwan

 

[Notton]

This is just one example of the US not having the capability of manufacturing an item because the factory hasn't been built yet.
At least the silicon, silicon ingot, and wafers can be produced in USA, I think?
IDK where TSMC AZ source their wafers from, but I know USA has the mining, refinery, and factory for wafer production.

 

[93QSD5]

unlikely but I applaud the effort to bring semiprodictuction back to the west (for supply chain safety reasons)

- Materials / supply chains. If you can't even secure the materials needed to produce chips, you're just left with a fancy expensive fab.
- Expertise (specifically production and all around it, not design).
- Costs. It's not surprising that wages, materials, transport, regulations, electricity including env. concerns and so on cost more here.
- Working conditions/morale. We already had reports of workers refusibg to adapt to the taiwan working conditions of grueling prolonged working shifts of up to 12 hours a day etc.

 

[gamerk316]

unlikely but I applaud the effort to bring semiprodictuction back to the west (for supply chain safety reasons)

- Materials / supply chains. If you can't even secure the materials needed to produce chips, you're just left with a fancy expensive fab.
- Expertise (specifically production and all around it, not design).
- Costs. It's not surprising that wages, materials, transport, regulations, electricity including env. concerns and so on cost more here.
- Working conditions/morale. We already had reports of workers refusibg to adapt to the taiwan working conditions of grueling prolonged working shifts of up to 12 hours a day etc.

Which is why I'm pessimistic of any long-term success under market conditions. Heck, the big discussion right now is "Will Intel sell its Fab division", and they're kind of the last game in town.

To me, if we want to maintain the ability to manufacture chips in the US, then the only mechanism to make production even remotely competitive is to either directly subsidize (or even nationalize) production. Even at 500% import tariffs its still substantially cheaper to produce elsewhere and eat the hit then it is to maintain US facilities and workforce.

 

[3en88]

TSMC should be forced to move all fabs to the US where yields are higher, energy is cheaper and logistics are simpler by the end of Trumps term or be placed on the entity list. This will bring down the costs for American consumers, create jobs and remove a foreign competitor.

 

[Conor Stewart]

TSMC should be forced to move all fabs to the US where yields are higher, energy is cheaper and logistics are simpler by the end of Trumps term or be placed on the entity list. This will bring down the costs for American consumers, create jobs and remove a foreign competitor.

So you think that the US should bully a company with strong ties to the Taiwanese government to jump ship and completely move to the US? You think that they should abuse a system like the entity list to get what they want?

Also "yields are higher"? What a load of nonsense. Where the chips are manufactured has no impact on yields, a fab being in the US doesn't automatically increase yields. Where are you getting that electricity is cheaper? How will it make logistics simpler if you are just moving the fabs? There are other things that go into chip production.

Yes it may create jobs in the US but it will also cost jobs in Taiwan so it really wouldn't create jobs at all, it would just move them.

Typical selfish American mindset, thinking that you should bully a company into abandoning their country and likely most of their staff just so they can be in the US. Why do you think it should all be in the US anyway? Why isn't having fabs in multiple countries a good option?

Maybe if the US is so great and would be so much better then someone should found an American company to be the US equivalent of TSMC, but instead you just want to bully a company to move to the US since you can't manage it yourself.