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I installed MSI Afterburner to check the frame rate and the lower GPU usage on NieR Automata and The Witcher 3 seems to be due to both games being locked at 60fps. The CPU usage the RivaTuner reports stays at 30-40%, rarely jumping towards 60-70%.
So, without being an expert, I'd say i7 4790K doesn't seem to keep the TITAN Xp back.

EDIT: Found the way to unlock the frame rate on The Witcher 3 and now the game runs at 70-80fps with the GPU usage staying firmly at 99% and the CPU at 50-60%.
 


Ok so I just built two new systems - Also have a third I can test on for your 1080ti question. I currently have 2 1080ti founders editions and two asus strix 1080ti oc cards one was for each system, and if it helps for any other tests I have one 770ti msi card here one n650 i think it is,

I can and will gladly test is there a preffered software to test with? I have 3d mark and pc mark , cam as well but I cant seem to get that to do the on screen overlay to see percentages etc.

System number one:
7700k overclocked 5.0ghz with
msi titanium gameing 3rd setting from top i think 9 for oc
64gb of ddr vengence ram for got exact clock i think 36xx
2x 960 evo 250gb in striped raid
1x 950gb ssd 512gb for game storage
nx kracken fan x52 cooler in push pull config
9 couger fans aand a corsair case the military looking one.
1000watt p2 evga power supply

System 2: Rebuilding it today again
6900k Was at a 4.3ghz overclock beforeon a deluxe 2 but now...
will be on a rampage 5 10th ann edition
128gb corsair dominator platinum 3000
1th 960 evo hard drive
2x 1tb 850 pro ssds in s stripe raid.
h110i in push pull fan with mag lev fans
10x mag lev fans.
1200watt p2 power supply evga

I can run the HB bridge on both setups. I have two new asus strix 1080tyi cards and 2 founders cards stock the founders are in the 7700k right now.

I'm new to pc gameing just always used them for photo editing and now trying to learn how to code for my holo lens lol. But I've been gameing xbox for years and streaming so now frames is super important lol so this benefits us both lol. I know on the 7700k I'm not getting much higher speeds on battlegrounds like 10frames. But I am aware its a cpu intensivee game and does not work with sli. I've tried to get sli to work but doesnt seem to.
And H1 I get 130 frames with a supposed sli enabled profile.
Monitor wise I'm running aa 3440x1440 asus pg348 monitor, in overclock 100hz setting.
 
So I have an i5 4690k and I'm about to get a 1080ti not covered in this list however. Am I right in thinking that bottleneck in from the cpu will result in a worse performance than I currently get with a gtx770 or maybe a lesser spec 1000 series? Or does it just means the card will not be running to its full potential? If it is the latter then I can go ahead wigh fhe upgrade looking forward to upgrading cpu and other components in the medium term future. I will be over l
Clocking the 4690k to 4.5 if possible as soon as I get the 1080ti and then upgrading cpu or to a 4k monitor nearer xmas.
 


Average GPU usage. Use MSI Afterburner, HWINFO, EVGA Precision, or whatever other monitoring software is good.

Thanks yall for your input, I'm very busy right now. I'll start creating a new bottlenecking spreadsheet here in the next month hopefully.
 
Read the first page of this article. Upgrading a part will not make a system run worse. Worst case scenario it'll stay the same. Go back and reread what a bottlneck is don't just skip to the end and ask. (Don't read 4 pages just the first post)

If you're going to try to run 144 Hz monitors you'll probably be held back a bit by your CPU, if you buy a 4k Monitor you'll rarely notice you don't have a 7700k.
 


Yeah i read the whole thing before i asked my question thanks. And the first article didn't answer what i wanted to know.

Apart from the fact you assumed i haven't bother to read your first post in depth which i have, probably presuming i havent reasearched for the answer elsewhere also... so appart from that id like to thank you for your clear answer to my question.

However if i hadn't read the first page how would i know you didn't cover 1080TI in the list? My question was relevant but not answered in your first post.

So just to note maybe if you read and understood my post properly you wouldn't need to comment in a way that presumed i hadn't read your post and to therefore come across in a way that makes you look agitated to answer my post. Just Saying!
 
Sorry Funky, thanks for bringing it to my attention. I'm really busy ATM, so I forgot your post was there. My bad.

People constantly underrate Haswell CPUs and even skylake CPUs these days. Remember haswell is only 10% less powerful than Kaby Lake, so at 4.5ghz, the 4690K will handle a 1080 TI quite well. Bottleneck? Yes, indeed, but your FPS will still triple compare to your 770.
 
That is the perfect answer i was looking for XD i understand the 4690k isnt the best pairing for a 1080 but currently not having any gpu as i got refunded for the 770 then i dont see buying less than the best when im going to be looking at upgrading mobo cpu monitor for 4k and vr in the meduim term to longer term future anyway. So as long as buying a 1080ti isnt going to be detrimental to my set up, then having all that cooped up performance ready to be realised when i buy a new monitor cpu mobo ram etc is very exciting and will give me something to look forward to when i do get those upgrades. Its kool everyone gets busy and thanks for your second reply. At least i know now the gpu will allow my build to run to its optimal until i upgrade other parts which is what im wanting. I dont see any point in getting a 1070 for half the price just because i wont see the benefit of a 1080TI right away. That will waste my money in the long run when i do want to be running 4k and VR. This has probably been the most helpful thread in determining whether i should get the TI so thank you and sorry if i also came over a little Spicey im not sure if your reply was to me or not now reading back either way thanks for your response. Enjoy your long weekend if your able to have one :) If you have any other advice or thoughts for my purchase of the Asus 1080ti strix oc running with my system specs of: i5 4690k (not over clocked yet) // 16gb 1600 ram // 1Tb ssd z97p mobo // corsair 750m psu // then it would be much appreciated Thanks again.
 
Yeh i know if i knew id get this into pc gaming a year or so ago, i wouldnt have saved on my motherboard, i dont think it allows faster than 1600 ram. unless you know something i dont ? its the asus z97p.
 


580 is identical to the 480 bottlenecking wise. The performance improvement is too small....

Again sorry guys for the lack of new charts. I'm very very buys ATM (finishing school and building a new business). The latest I can give you your 1080 TI charts is late next month.

djwarcr, just look at your GPU usage. Use the instructions in red in my original post for more info.
 


That's quite good to know, as I'm about to receive a 1080ti Strix OC, but I have an old i5 4670k; now, assuming I'll upgrade to i7 4790k, that should not keep the 1080ti too much back, definitely more than a Titan, but not that much.

I hope, at least! 😀
 
Hi TechyInAZ
why the charts dont show I7 second generation?
I have a 2600k cpu and I m planning to buy a EVGA SC 1060..
what do you think of that combination?
 
TechyInAZ thanks for your quick reply, dude.

Mine is stock, Im not good at overclocking, Im afraid of shorten the life of my cpu

 
Here's my results for a few games so far - build in sig. Running max settings on 1440p.
Redout: Enhanced Edition... 0 - upper 90s, sometimes 100% gpu usage
Witcher 3, Doom, TC's Ghost Recon... pretty much the same as above
Dark Souls 3... 0 - 58
World of Warcraft(this one didn't give consistent results)... Got 0 - 60s, 0 - 80s, highest recorded was 0 - 97, but this was only during a 40 man raid, likely during one of the more 'flashy' boss encounters. But can say with certainty there's a cpu bottleneck even at 1440p with graphics cranked to max.
3570k does indeed hold 1080ti back in cpu intensive games and will likely be even worse on 1080p.

@ TechyInAZ: I know you wanted the averages, but I guess due to pauses, menus and the like, 0 will always be the min. And that, I believe would've skewed my results, so I posted the min and max of what was displayed on MSI Afterburner. Hope this still helped though!
 
I have a i7 4790k OC to 4.6 ghz and a 1080 ti strix oc on a 1440p gaming monitor

I have tested few games now like Star Citizen, GTAV, ARK, The Witcher 3, BF1.. 99-100% gpu usage all the time whatsoever so maybe 1% bottleneck, 50-60% cpu usage in average pretty neat.

I think every actual cpu's will bottleneck this beast of a gpu, at some points.


 
Nice post.
There is one HUGE problem in the description of the "bottleneck"
components do not bottleneck each other - they limit application performance. On the same system for one game it can be CPU, in other the GPU and in third game it will be RAM.

bottom line, the only real "bottlenecks" in computers are people sitting in front of them.
 
so i've recently gotten my 1080 TI Zotac and i've put up a ticket about some bottlenecking i must have somewhere in my system.

ever since i upgraded to windows 7 home edition i've had this coughing of frame rate where the game will run steady frames about 60 on 1080p from my 660 GTX my 970 GTX and now my 1080 TI GTX but in every game but For honor, Witcher 3 and Elite dangerous out of nowhere the frames will do like a cough where everything freezes for a split second and then its gonna keep coughing for a few more seconds where im bleeding down to 20
FPS regardless of the game being in 1080p or 640x480 low or ultra doesn't matter it will do this about ever 10-30 seconds and its driving me insane because i have replaced everything in my pc, Harddrive, GPU, CPU, RAM, Motherboard and it just keeps being an issue and i cant find out where this is happening.

my current system is:
GPU_ ZOTAC 1080 ti GTX
CPU: intel core i7 4790k
RAM: HyperX savage 2x8 GB 2400 Mhz
Motherboard: Asus maximus VII ranger
Hard drive: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" SATA 6GB/s (SATA 3.0), 64MB Cache, 7200RPM
OS: Windows 10 Home.

can you throw me a bone as too where this problem could be because i had it on my previous pc as well which system was

GPU: EVGA 970 GTX and at one point a MSI twin frozen 660 GTX
CPU: Intel core i7 2600k
RAM: Cosair vengance 4x4 GB 1600 Mhz
Motherboard: ASUS P8Z68-V PRO, Socket-1155
Harddrive: Samsung Spinpoint TB/R54/32M and a Samsung Spinpoint 1TB/7200rpm/32M
OS: windows 7 home edition.
 
think i found the problem cuz ima moron i had global graphic settings in nvidia controlpanel set to " V-sync always on " which defeats the point of a G-Sync monitor.
 
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