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Im looking at Upgrading my P4 System,

I have a Intel D850EMVL2 Mothboard and i was wondering if there is any advantage of putting in a P4EE cpu? what would i see increase in performance

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endyen

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So, you buy a 3.2, for a grand, but run it at 2.1? Nope, buy a new board as well. At 2.1 gigs, that chip would be slower than what you have now.You will need new ram as well.

Without the dual channel memory, you will also take a hit.
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by endyen on 03/30/04 06:38 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
 

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ermm no,

If you decrease the FSB from 800
(3.2Ghz 800 FSB = 4X multiplyer)
(3.2Ghz 533 FSB = 6x multiplyer)
All it will do it Increase the multiplayer to get the same CPU frequency! you will notice alot of NEW aBIT and "third party" intel Chipset Boards have a factory set "QUATER-FSB"

Limiting the FSB down to 200 even 133 on certin Shuttle PC's

It will Run at 3.2 just using 533 FSB and a higher Multiplyer. The fact that my Board can only take a 3.0 ghz is the only problem.

I should probably go to a 3.06Ghz, i just wanted to know if the EE would improve my RAMBUS but i guess not
 

endyen

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I thought the EE had a fixed multiplier. If you are getting an engineer sample, diferent story.
The 800 fsb and dual channel mem make up almost 20% of the perf of that chip.
 

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the 3.2EE will work at ~2.1Ghz, which will likely perform slightly worse than your current CPU.

so, you can pay $900 for an 'upgrade' which will give you no noticeable performance difference....

or you could spend:
P4C 2.8Ghz - $182
2x 512Mb OCZ PC4000 - $129x2 = $258
Abit IS7 - $97

total = $537
stick that in your system, and it'll completely cream your system with a 2.1Ghz P4EE, for over $400 less.

Plus you'd be able to overclock it easily to beyond 3Ghz. likely beyond 3.2Ghz.

Or perhaps upgrade to an A64 system instead? That's a good option if your budget would stretch to a P4EE - you must have wads of cash lying around....

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Yeah cos the 2mb LVL 3 Cache improves the ram alot!

But sadly not in my case as i have rambus :(
The reason i am not buying a new board it BECAUSE i wanna keep my rambus as it ROCKS
 

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1) Will never touch AMD EVER!
2) I will never touch ABIT (90% Of their board are Factory set to UNDER the standard FSB for intel Chips
3) WHY would i want DUAL CHANNEL DDR?
put a 3.06Ghz 533 P4 in my system Slap another 512 rambus and it would cream a 3.2 with 1gb Dual Channel

RAM = £300 - £400 Dependant on which manufac
 

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Rambus doesn't rock. It's horribly expensive and doesn't confer any advantage over dual channel DDR400, not these days...

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Explain to me How rambus works! - and go to www.intel.com and view the architecture of the 850 Chipset

AND THEN say that again
 

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put a 3.06Ghz 533 P4 in my system Slap another 512 rambus and it would cream a 3.2 with 1gb Dual Channel
nope. not a chance in hell. Plus if you bought the Stuff I listed above, you'd be good for 230Mhz FSB, which would leave your RAMbus system miles behind.

WHY would i want DUAL CHANNEL DDR?
because then the supplied bandwidth matches the P4C's bus, as it's QDR, therefore better performance.

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Dual Channel runs through the MCH Chip then the CPU, Running in pairs. using the same styl and rambus
Appart from rambus has a Direct CPU bridge running 80 Channel if you use it to the full extent.

This give a MUCH higher Performace as there is no middle man

this is why it is more expensive and Faster.

I build DUAL Channel Machine Hyper X ram from Kingston using 3.4Ghz P4 Prescott not the EE and My work PC which is a 3.06P4 with 1.5Gb of 1066 Rambus Is still faster.
 

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850 WAS designed to use Rambus. so I don't see what my reading Intel's specs will do, as it will obviously be better with it.

That's why I suggested getting an i865 board instead, as it's designed for DC DDR.

you haven't been paying attention for a few years, it would seem.

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*875PBZ - the reading of the intel spec would give u an idea as to why rambus is faster than Dual Channel.

Rambus is still widly used in th Xeon systems and Now that intel has won their law suit and have full rights to rambus. Things will be changing alot!
 

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lol, nevermind.
i guess poeple are to used to using middle range hardware.

its all ok, i expect you to understand the reasons why its faster, it just is.
i know this, intel know this.
 

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I suspect not. I also suspect He'd point out that my AMD rig is going to turn into a fusion reactor, judging by his earlier comments.

Apparently he's a 'Computer Technician'. And he thinks Abit make bad motherboards.

Sounds like he knows better than the rest of us...

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Yes, i work for a small company that build High End PC's
www.axiumcomputercentre.com,

And all the information i get is from intel site as i am a channel Member, (this means i am invited to all the intel Confrences) IPI number 9675
 

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Dual Channel runs through the MCH Chip then the CPU,
That's so amazingly different to <A HREF="http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/850/index.htm?iid=ipp_desk_chip+prod_850&" target="_new">Intel's 850 RDRAM chipset</A> which you so love....

oh, and i875 is a DDR chipset, NOT RDRAM.... but then you said 876 in the previous post.. you seem a little confused here buddy.

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You're either trolling or clueless. Rambus is better than SDRAM, but the ancient 850 is no match for current dual channel DDR setups. And wanting to plug a $1000 cpu in a 533 MHz board really makes me wonder what you sell your customers...

If you love rambus so much (even more than intel, which has abandonded it for good reason), you can always get a SiS R659 based motherboard; at least it supports 800 MHz FSB P4's and up to PC1200 RDRAM if you can find any. With PC1066 it might perform only a little worse than a typical 875 setup with DDR400 costing roughly 3x less instead of MUCH worse with a 850 with 533 FSB and PC800.

Sounds like a good deal for you, in combination with a P4EE you'll have a super expensive setup that gets trashed by A64/FX systems and probably even 875/P4C systems costing only a fraction; but hey, its super expensive and rare, so therefore it must be good, right ? Have you considered buying a $4.000 Itanium 2 with 6 MB cache ? those things run windows and x86 software as well, and are expensive as hell. I bet they are even better !

Enjoy !

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