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sayNO2piracy wrote:

> first lets do a brief description of both packagings
>
> - US pc game packaging
> small cardboard box with inside manual, quick reference card and jewel
> case for storing the game cds
>
> - EU pc game packaging
> small plastic box, the ones used in dvd movies with inside manual, quick
> reference card and cd stores in the box itself

What I need is velcro covered packaging to prevent CD avalanches when
I'm digging something out.
 
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"Les Steel" wrote
>
> Oh and non-steam versions of Half-Life come in packaging, the discussion
> is game packaging and Half-Life is a game.
Yeah yeah, and it is also very obvious to discuss HL2 in groups related to
religion

Killfiled for no reason at all

- Peter
 
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Peter Lykkegaard wrote:

>And the relevance for alt.games.half-life is?

And the relevance of your own postings in this thread, for any of the
groups you posted to, is?

>Killfiled due to crossposting

- said the crossposter.

By the way, if you want to play netcop you should _at least_ learn to
quote correctly.

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"Johan Poppe" wrote

> By the way, if you want to play netcop you should _at least_ learn to
> quote correctly.
>
Who's playing?

- Peter
 
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On 10 Mar 2005 15:47:20 GMT, mcv <mcvmcv@xs3.xs4all.nl> wrote:

>In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg Johnny Bravo <baawa_knight@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:14:53 +0000, sayNO2piracy
>> <sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>US vs EU pc game packagings
>>>
>>>so lets begin...
>>>. box
>>>both have the same front size but the US packaging is bigger sideways,
>>>the extra space in the US box is a plus and also the US cardboard is
>>>much better for high quality print-out covers, the plus in the EU box
>>>is it being more durable cause its made of plastic
>>
>> It's a winner for those who like to sit and spend hours looking at
>> the pretty box. I'd rather spend hours sitting and playing a high
>> quality title, but you're entitled to have your fun however you can.
>
>I think the main (and only) advantage of a box is that it can contain
>a bigger manual. In the past, games often had very nice booklets as
>manuals, but you can't do that with the modern DVD-case packaging.

Matrix games has an online doc center at Kinkos where you can order
several different versions of the manuals (either for pickup or
delivery) for some of their newer games. Versions from 8 1/2 by 11
black and white punched for a 3 ring binder to a coil bound version
that stays flat when open with a color plastic cover ranging in price
from $2.50 to about $7.50.

The freedom to choose how much, or how little, manual you are going
to buy is a good thing for consumers. A developer can skip the extra
expence of a printed manual, allowing the individual consumer to
decide if he's going to pay for one or not. Most of my games I'm
lucky if I read the manual all the way through once, it was a
refreshing change to see that I didn't have to buy yet one more thing
I was never going to use. On the other hand, for a game with a large
manual, the consumer also has the option to get a high quality version
if they want one without the game company having to worry about
printing and shipping larger than usual packaging just to accomidate
the extra paper.

>Other than that, I tend to prefer the DVD-case packaging, because it takes
>up a lot less space on my shelf (although I installed three extra shelves
>above my computer yesterday).

I tend just to keep all my discs stacked on spindles. :)

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On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:50:37 +0100, "Peter Lykkegaard"
<peter.aghl@gmail.com> wrote:

>And the relevance for alt.games.half-life is?
>
>Killfiled due to crossposting

I'm just devastated. My life no longer has any meaning now that
some random Usenet stranger has killfiled me. My only regret is that
he'll never be aware how completely he has destroyed my life.

Or something.

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On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:55:27 +0000, Cardinal Fang <fang@spam.me>
wrote:

>sayNO2piracy wrote:
>
>> first lets do a brief description of both packagings
>>
>> - US pc game packaging
>> small cardboard box with inside manual, quick reference card and jewel
>> case for storing the game cds
>>
>> - EU pc game packaging
>> small plastic box, the ones used in dvd movies with inside manual, quick
>> reference card and cd stores in the box itself
>
>What I need is velcro covered packaging to prevent CD avalanches when
>I'm digging something out.

LOL, can't you just buy some of those self adhesive velcro tabs and
put them on your boxes?

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of the human mind to correlate all its contents." - H.P. Lovecraft
 
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On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:43:25 -0800, Connected
<connected@somewhere.here> wrote:

>On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:22:11 -0000, "Paul Moloney"
><paul_moloney@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>God, yes. I have several games in that oversized box packaging
>>(Thief Gold, Combat Flight Simulator) and they both take
>>up too much room and the cardboard boxes are starting to look
>>rather tatty. DVD-style cases are much better.
>>
>>P.
>>
>
>In days of yore they put nice thick manuals in with your game so the
>DVD cases would not have been viable. But now they just give us glossy
>pamphlets with unreadable 6 point type so I'm all for the DVD cases
>now.

I fondly remember my 530 page coil bound Falcon 4.0 manual that
comes in just 3 ounces shy of two pounds, about 825 grams for our
European friends.

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of the human mind to correlate all its contents." - H.P. Lovecraft
 
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On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:55:48 GMT, Johnny Bravo
<baawa_knight@yahoo.com> wrote:


> I fondly remember my 530 page coil bound Falcon 4.0 manual that
>comes in just 3 ounces shy of two pounds, about 825 grams for our
>European friends.

I've got the binder version and the coil bound version. 🙂
 
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On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:50:01 +0100, "Peter Lykkegaard"
<peter.aghl@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>"Paul Moloney" <paul_moloney@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:39avshF5u1apuU1@individual.net...
>> Valtteri Pirttilä wrote:
>>
>>> This is where I have to disagree. I've been buying games for quite a
>>> few years now and the amount of space the boxes take on my shelves is
>>> getting too much for me. So I like smaller, more compact packaging.
>>
>> God, yes. I have several games in that oversized box packaging
>> (Thief Gold, Combat Flight Simulator) and they both take
>> up too much room and the cardboard boxes are starting to look
>> rather tatty. DVD-style cases are much better.
>>
>
>And the relevance for alt.games.half-life is?
>
>Killfiled due to crossposting

Killfiled due to posting the same message half a dozen times in one
thread. :)

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*fixed*
"Peter Lykkegaard" <peter.aghl@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:39bnc7F619v83U1@individual.net...
> "Les Steel" wrote
>>>
>>> And the relevance for alt.games.half-life is?
>>>
>>> Killfiled due to crossposting
>>
>>And this is more relevant to alt.games.half-life how?
>>
>>You also crossposted, will you now place yourself in your killfile?
>>
>> Oh and non-steam versions of Half-Life come in packaging, the discussion
>> is game packaging and Half-Life is a game.
> Yeah yeah, and it is also very obvious to discuss HL2 in groups related to
> religion
>
> Killfiled for no reason at all
>
> - Peter
>
>

He could have at least fully quoted me, the buffoon. I assume
alt.games.half-life is a religious discussion group (perhaps to some saddos
maybe)?
 
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On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:44:13 -0000, "Les Steel" <a@aolnot.com> wrote:

>
>"Mark Morrison" <drdpikeuk@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:me3131tk40vn3mtln77ku7648l3jfpftak@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:50:17 +0100, "Peter Lykkegaard"
>> <peter.aghl@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Connected" <connected@somewhere.here> wrote in message
>>>news:5lq0311ekdiav9ggj4vheo5vnufo79dok1@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:22:11 -0000, "Paul Moloney"
>>>> <paul_moloney@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>God, yes. I have several games in that oversized box packaging
>>>>>(Thief Gold, Combat Flight Simulator) and they both take
>>>>>up too much room and the cardboard boxes are starting to look
>>>>>rather tatty. DVD-style cases are much better.
>>>>>
>>>>>P.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In days of yore they put nice thick manuals in with your game so the
>>>> DVD cases would not have been viable. But now they just give us glossy
>>>> pamphlets with unreadable 6 point type so I'm all for the DVD cases
>>>> now.
>>>
>>>And the relevance for alt.games.half-life is?
>>>
>> The fact that HL2 HAD one of those flimsy pieces of paper, and no
>> manual ?
>>
>> --
>>
>And the retail version comes in a DVD case
>
Those bastards !

I'm having trouble with my HL2 - I recently tried to reinstall it, as
I now have a better cp/gfx card, but get an error message when
extracing a file. I can actually copy the DVD to the hard drive, but
get the same error when installing.

Nothing to do with the original post, but it just popped into my
head...

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They got them hoppy legs and twitchy little noses !
And what's with all the carrots ?
What do they need such good eyesight for anyway ?
Bunnies ! Bunnies ! It must be BUNNIES !
 
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On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:48:02 -0800, Connected
<connected@somewhere.here> wrote:

>On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:55:48 GMT, Johnny Bravo
><baawa_knight@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>> I fondly remember my 530 page coil bound Falcon 4.0 manual that
>>comes in just 3 ounces shy of two pounds, about 825 grams for our
>>European friends.
>
>I've got the binder version and the coil bound version. 🙂

That's a serious flight simmer there. :)

--
"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability
of the human mind to correlate all its contents." - H.P. Lovecraft
 
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On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 03:25:47 GMT, Johnny Bravo
<baawa_knight@yahoo.com> wrote:


> That's a serious flight simmer there. :)

Was. Not much to get serious about these days though. LOMAC doesn't do
it for me.
 
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On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 21:05:58 -0800, Connected
<connected@somewhere.here> wrote:

>On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 03:25:47 GMT, Johnny Bravo
><baawa_knight@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>> That's a serious flight simmer there. :)
>
>Was. Not much to get serious about these days though. LOMAC doesn't do
>it for me.

I know what you mean, but between the FreeFalcon 3 or Super Pack 4
enchancements for Falcon 4.0, it's not quite dead yet. With so much
added, including high-res textures, they might as well be calling it
Falcon 5.0. :)

--
"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability
of the human mind to correlate all its contents." - H.P. Lovecraft
 
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"Mark Morrison" wrote

> Those bastards !
>
> I'm having trouble with my HL2 - I recently tried to reinstall it, as
> I now have a better cp/gfx card, but get an error message when
> extracing a file. I can actually copy the DVD to the hard drive, but
> get the same error when installing.
>
Did you try to install everything or just HL2?

If you have a steam account and on broadband
You can just get the steam client and login with your current account
Steam keeps track of which games you can access etc
Gamefiles can be downloaded from the steam server

- Peter
 
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sayNO2piracy wrote:
> US vs EU pc game packagings
>
> for some time i wanted to make this post, to deal with the differences
> between the states and europe have in pc game packaging
> don't know why pc games have different packagings in the US and in EU
> probably cause manufacturing costs of cardboard are lower in the
> states
> or the need to defend the jewel case industry but the reasons are not
> what made me write but instead analyze both and decide what is best in
> the point of view of the pc gamer
>
> first lets do a brief description of both packagings
>
> - US pc game packaging
> small cardboard box with inside manual, quick reference card and jewel
> case for storing the game cds
>
> - EU pc game packaging
> small plastic box, the ones used in dvd movies with inside manual,
> quick reference card and cd stores in the box itself
>
> so lets begin...
> . box
> both have the same front size but the US packaging is bigger sideways,
> the extra space in the US box is a plus and also the US cardboard is
> much better for high quality print-out covers, the plus in the EU box
> is it being more durable cause its made of plastic
> box winner: US packaging
>
> . manual
> for what i've notice we can consider manual the same for each
> packaging cause differences in paper quality and print out are not
> very important manual winner: tie
>
> . cd storing
> we have the good reliable jewel case for the US packaging and plastic
> dvd style box for the EU packaging, and although they are different i
> feel they both do the job very well
> cd storing winner: tie
>
> . overall
> the US packaging has better cover quality and more space, its the one
> most "pretty" of them both, but the EU packaging is more durable and
> integrated so basically they both are very good
> overall winner: tie
>
> if i could choose, which i can't cause i'm stuck with the EU
> packaging,
> i would pick both, i would like to have variety in my pc game
> collection and own both US and EU packaging based pc games
> for my favorite pc games i would choose the US packaging and for all
> the others i would choose the EU packaging
> the US packaging is more for the pc gamer collector, a pc gamer that
> fancies a good well designed cover and knows how to take care of it
> the EU packaging is more for the young less careful pc gamer which
> can't keep the different pieces of a pc game packaging together and
> doesn't
> take good care of its pc games, so with the EU he will not have any
> problem cause the box is at the same time box and the cd storing
>
> US package: more for the adult demanding pc gamer collector
> EU package: more for the younger careless pc gamer, the pc gamer that
> sells and buys in the 2nd hand market or the pc gamer with more space
> limitations or simply one that can't keep all the pieces of the
> package together
>
> but if i had to choose only one, i would choose the EU packaging and
> the reason is that i feel its more prepared for the future, its more
> prepared for the hard times pc games face ahead, its smaller, it
> feels it costs less, its more durable, its better for the 2nd hand
> market, so if i had
> to stick with only one it would be the EU packaging
> in a way it would be making a small quality sacrifice in pc game
> package so we could maintain pc games as packaged products
> it's better something than nothing at all right?
>
> what is trully the most important thing is pc games being always a
> packaged physical product no matter what shape or material its made
> off
>
> ps: any fellow pc gamer could also give a short description of all the
> other pc game packagings available in the rest of the world? like
> africa asia, australia and south america?

You really can't resist a dig a Valve I would from now on, I would only buy
through steam if it was possible, but its not, so I'll just have to find
someone to start a campaign to get all developers to use steam or steam
style systems albeit edited to make it slightly better. I also bought a game
only released last week in the second hand shelf, oohh i must be evil, have
fun on your sad little crusade you complete twat.
--


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On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:43:27 GMT, Johnny Bravo
<baawa_knight@yahoo.com> wrote:


> I know what you mean, but between the FreeFalcon 3 or Super Pack 4
>enchancements for Falcon 4.0, it's not quite dead yet. With so much
>added, including high-res textures, they might as well be calling it
>Falcon 5.0. :)

Yea, but they've made my binder manual sort of obsolete. 🙂
 
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On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, Valtteri Pirttila wrote:

although packaging is a very dear subject to me i always give preference
to steam cause lets face it, steam wants to kill the package, so if it
wins we will no longer have proper pc games sold
but now that i've done fighting steam its good being back to positive
subjects and matters dealing with pc games

> years now and the amount of space the boxes take on my shelves is getting
> too much for me. So I like smaller, more compact packaging.

agree and i wrote about it, the US packaging takes more space so for
those gamers with space limitations the EU packaging is better

> I'd have to say this is actually the other way around. When I was young I
> cherished every game I had and therefore liked the larger packages. As an
> adult I think that games are just games.

sorry to read you over the years have lost your interest in collecting
pc games... probably later you will regain that joy

> So in my opinion the larger package is for fans, jewelcases for the bigger
> audience.

like i wrote, the EU packaging is probably best for the future and new
challenges awaiting pc games, but i was talking about those dvd type
cases, and not selling games in jewel cases cause that i don't like

i didn't even talked about it cause i think its not an option currently
in pc games, but i'm against pc games being sold only in a jewel case
cause its too small format and hasn't the right conditions

for me the only two packagings which have quality to be used in pc games
are the US cardboard box packaging and the EU dvd plastic case packaging
jewel case is a mediocre packaging totally not suitable for pc games
 
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On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, "Peter Lykkegaard" wrote:

<snip steam infected garbage>

you like any other submissive valve servant will not find anything
relevant outside the steam infected world

we should put your disgusting kind in some quarantine away from us
healthy pc gamers
 
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On Fri, 11 Mar 2005, Mark Morrison wrote:

> Those bastards !

yes they are, its totally unqualified what they do
its in the realms of the insane

what i don't understand is how can they do it and run away with it

obviously the damage is done and you bought hl2, so the only thing
you can do is spread the word of the damage and wrong doing valve
and steam and hl2 represents so others will not suffer like you
did... i was fortunate to not be deceived by them cause i read in
this group a poster warning way before it was released what valve
plans were, so i was prepared and i protect myself, and since then
its what i've being doing... spreading the word about the damage
steam represents
 
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On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, OnePunchMickey wrote:

again totally wrong... oh mickey when will you manage to say anything
worthwhile?
one of the big things of the dvd movie explosion was the collector and
video collectors seeing the quality of dvd and deciding to re-create
their personal video collection all over again
collecting dvd movies is an extremely popular hobby, so try asking any
dvd collector what does he think about packaging and he will tell you:
"essential!" try asking dvd collectors if they have more than one copy
of the same movie and they will tell you: "off course cause they have
different packagings!"
 
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On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, Johnny Bravo wrote:

<snip greedy developers valve alike propaganda>

if you don't work for valve you really think like them
think only about your profit and never about your costumer
putting your own interest always above the costumer interest

you are a lesson, you are a living example for this group of what
a developers should not be, so please stay with us so i can point
at you always when wanting proof of greedy monopolistic developers
 
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On 10 Mar 2005, mcv wrote:

you talk like a true pc gamer... i hope you haven't accepted steam
and btw a box has much better cover print quality over the dvd case
 
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On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, mrlg wrote:

> In the US I'm finding my game CD's often come with
> paper sleeves instead of jewel cases.

isn't it cause of pc games coming with 5, 6 or more disks?
is there a jewel case that can carry that much cds? no there
isn't so that's why they come in paper sleeves which i agree
is poor packaging

when pc games need 5 or 6 or more cds i think its time to move
on to the dvd format

> Why? They don't exactly make use of it.

like i told david its a plus having the possibility regardless
if they use it or not

> There is an option for a box with a fold-out cover so you
> have more info to look at before you buy, but so many stores

that fold-out cover is a brilliant idea! another plus for the
us packaging!

> are starting to put games in individual theft-proof plastic
> cases that you can't open the cover anyway. (They remove

i like the theft-proof plastic cases, and you know why?
this way you are sure the pc game you are buying has the less
possible finger prints and other dirty remains in the cover
due to many handling
i'm all for those theft-proof plastic cases! so only you the
pc gamer which will buy the pc game will have direct contact
with it

> But I prefer individual paper sleeves over having 2 or more
> CD's stacked on the same spindle in a DVD case. It's sometimes

excellent point, and yes i agree with you, the stacked design
is not the best for storing more than one disk in a dvd case
but fortunately i know the dvd case has for example in the 2
disk storage at least five different designs so you don't
always end up with the stacked solution
the dvd case for 2 disks that i know of are:
.. stacked solution you talk about
.. one disk in the right side and another disk on the left side
.. two disks in the right side one on the upper side and one on
the lower side
.. one disk on the right side and an extra "partition" in the
middle were you can put the second disk
.. one disk on the right side and the other disk on a separate
paper or plastic sleeve (this one is the design i least like
of them all)

> DVD packaging is also better for shipping through the
> mail. Boxes often get squashed in the mail. They show up

another great issue you point about
definitely you are a pc gamer like myself very aware of packaging
i'm sure we are in the majority and only a very small minority is
not sensible to all these issues

obviously criminal scum thief pirates are not sensitive to any
kind of packaging... they are only sensitive to steal from others
 
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