US vs EU pc game packagings

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On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, David Johnston wrote:

> How is wasted space a plus?

like mcv said the extra space can be used for extra manuals and extra
stuff you can include in the game
its a plus cause you have more space to include more stuff if you want
but of you don't no problem but at least you have the possibility

let me give you and example, quake 3 gold edition includes two manuals
for two games and in this case the dvd type box is not well suited and
the standard us cardboard box is
 
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 06:16:17 -0800, Connected
<connected@somewhere.here> wrote:

>On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:43:27 GMT, Johnny Bravo
><baawa_knight@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>> I know what you mean, but between the FreeFalcon 3 or Super Pack 4
>>enchancements for Falcon 4.0, it's not quite dead yet. With so much
>>added, including high-res textures, they might as well be calling it
>>Falcon 5.0. :)
>
>Yea, but they've made my binder manual sort of obsolete. 🙂

I know it's a tough call, but you can still admire the binder later.
:0

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of the human mind to correlate all its contents." - H.P. Lovecraft
 
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:10:08 +0000, sayNO2piracy
<sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, "Peter Lykkegaard" wrote:
>
><snip steam infected garbage>
>
>you like any other submissive valve servant will not find anything
>relevant outside the steam infected world
>
>we should put your disgusting kind in some quarantine away from us
>healthy pc gamers

LOL, didn't take long for you to crack.

--
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of the human mind to correlate all its contents." - H.P. Lovecraft
 
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"sayNO2piracy" <sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, Valtteri Pirttila wrote:
>
> although packaging is a very dear subject to me i always give preference
> to steam cause lets face it, steam wants to kill the package, so if it
> wins we will no longer have proper pc games sold

Save a tree and use Steam.

> but now that i've done fighting steam its good being back to positive
> subjects and matters dealing with pc games
>

You're done fighting Steam?

> > years now and the amount of space the boxes take on my shelves is
getting
> > too much for me. So I like smaller, more compact packaging.
>

Save shelf space and use Steam. 😉

<snip>
 
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"sayNO2piracy" <sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, Johnny Bravo wrote:
>
> <snip greedy developers valve alike propaganda>
>
> if you don't work for valve you really think like them
> think only about your profit and never about your costumer
> putting your own interest always above the costumer interest
>

If you don't work for the retail chain, you sure think like them. 😉

> you are a lesson, you are a living example for this group of what
> a developers should not be, so please stay with us so i can point
> at you always when wanting proof of greedy monopolistic developers
>

Man by nature is greedy. It's not limited to developers. I know some
gamers that are greedy and want HL2 on CD, in a box, with no Steam. 😉
 
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 21:22:03 GMT, "OldDog" <OldDog@city.pound> wrote:

>Man by nature is greedy. It's not limited to developers. I know some
>gamers that are greedy and want HL2 on CD, in a box, with no Steam. 😉

But only if it's a pretty box. :)

--
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of the human mind to correlate all its contents." - H.P. Lovecraft
 
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sayNO2piracy wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, Johnny Bravo wrote:
>
> <snip greedy developers valve alike propaganda>
>
> if you don't work for valve you really think like them
> think only about your profit and never about your costumer
> putting your own interest always above the costumer interest


Definition of costumer
http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/c/c0674400.html

Definition of customer
http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/c/c0824500.html
 
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sayNO2piracy wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, mrlg wrote:
>
>
>>In the US I'm finding my game CD's often come with
>>paper sleeves instead of jewel cases.
>
>
> isn't it cause of pc games coming with 5, 6 or more disks?

I've had it happen with single CD games.

> is there a jewel case that can carry that much cds?

Yes indeed there is. You can even buy them

http://www.sleevetown.com/multi-cd-holder.shtml

Near the bottom of the page you see the case that
can hold 6 CD's.

> no there
> isn't

Yes there is. And games used to include them.
Obsidian, for example, came in a case that would
hold 6 CD's. A more recent game called Alida came
in a case that would hold 6 CD's (though the game
itself only had 5 CD's). Alida was very unusual
in that respect.

> so that's why they come in paper sleeves which i agree
> is poor packaging

And doesn't explain why some games with 1 or 2 CD's
come in paper sleeves. The manufacturers use paper sleeves
to reduce their packaging costs. They are cheaper than
multi-CD cases.

> when pc games need 5 or 6 or more cds i think its time to move
> on to the dvd format

I think in Europe later versions of Alida did come on DVD.
But in the US, game manufacturers are resistant to using
DVD's for games.

>>Why? They don't exactly make use of it.
>
>
> like i told david its a plus having the possibility regardless
> if they use it or not

The only game I've seen lately that filled that box was
Alida - where the multi-CD case was as fat as the box.
Alida's US publisher seems to always use CD cases
for their games, even when they have multiple CD's.

>>There is an option for a box with a fold-out cover so you
>>have more info to look at before you buy, but so many stores
>
>
> that fold-out cover is a brilliant idea! another plus for the
> us packaging!
>
>
>>are starting to put games in individual theft-proof plastic
>>cases that you can't open the cover anyway. (They remove
>
>
> i like the theft-proof plastic cases, and you know why?
> this way you are sure the pc game you are buying has the less
> possible finger prints and other dirty remains in the cover
> due to many handling
> i'm all for those theft-proof plastic cases! so only you the
> pc gamer which will buy the pc game will have direct contact
> with it

But if the shop uses those theft-proof plastic cases,
you can't use the fold-out cover until after you've
bought the game. This negates the purpose of the cover,
since it is meant to offer more space on which to
advertise the game's contents and let a prospective
buyer know what the game is like.
 
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2005, "OldDog" wrote:

> Save a tree and use Steam.

hypocrite!
you do more waste in an hour than what a single pc game represents!

> You're done fighting Steam?

that was yesterday... and yes when i wrote it i was done fighting
steam for that day, but today is a new day and i'll start all over
again

> Save shelf space and use Steam. 😉

don't you have to backup the pc games you bought?
don't that also take shelf space!!!!

you are so brainwashed and controlled by steam you are completely
blind to everthing else
 
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"sayNO2piracy" <sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 12 Mar 2005, "OldDog" wrote:
>
>> Save a tree and use Steam.
>
> hypocrite!
> you do more waste in an hour than what a single pc game represents!
>
>> You're done fighting Steam?
>
> that was yesterday... and yes when i wrote it i was done fighting
> steam for that day, but today is a new day and i'll start all over
> again
>
>> Save shelf space and use Steam. 😉
>
> don't you have to backup the pc games you bought?
> don't that also take shelf space!!!!
>
> you are so brainwashed and controlled by steam you are completely
> blind to everthing else
>

Yes, I backup my steam installation, but it doesn't take one single little
bit of shelf space....WHY??? - becuase I back it up to another computer on
my network. voila problems solved.

Even assuming that I waste more in an hour than a single pc game represents,
that is a strawman argument...and BTW, before you start using big english
words like hyprcrite you ought to look up what they mean. You have been the
biggest hyprcrite in this and other threads with your 'honest effort' to
mold PC gamers into your myopic view of the world, while failing at your
attempt to hide your true agenda.
 
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2005, mrlg wrote:

> I've had it happen with single CD games.

no doubt poor packaging, and we need to tell publishers to cut
costs in other areas, although i don't know were

> Yes indeed there is. You can even buy them
>
> http://www.sleevetown.com/multi-cd-holder.shtml

didn't know about it
never saw it before
impressive and very useful

> hold 6 CD's. A more recent game called Alida came
> in a case that would hold 6 CD's (though the game

alida publisher does it right when it comes to packaging
they should be congratulated for doing so

> come in paper sleeves. The manufacturers use paper sleeves
> to reduce their packaging costs. They are cheaper than

you are right... its sad but its the truth
don't know if it has to do with the decline in pc game sales
is it really necessary to cut cost in packaging to make pc
games more profitable?
i don't know cause i always thought packaging was the least
expensive in a pc game

> I think in Europe later versions of Alida did come on DVD.
> But in the US, game manufacturers are resistant to using
> DVD's for games.

that's really a fact and i don't see why
why does US edition are most always released in cd format when
the same game in EU is available in dvd, and we are talking
about games with 4 or more cd disks which take at least 3gb
probably its for protecting cd only manufacturing factories

> The only game I've seen lately that filled that box was
> Alida - where the multi-CD case was as fat as the box.

a 6 disk game even in paper sleeves take space and i'm sure a
regular dvd case use in EU has no capacity to carry them

> you can't use the fold-out cover until after you've
> bought the game. This negates the purpose of the cover,

yes, you are right but even so i would prefer this way and only
use the front and back cover to evaluate the pc game
 
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On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:07:20 +0000, sayNO2piracy
<sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 12 Mar 2005, "OldDog" wrote:
>
>> Save a tree and use Steam.
>
>hypocrite!

You might want to watch who you are calling a hypocrite, especially
after you go on and on to tell us that a "true pc gamer", which you
are obviously not, should just go and buy games without reviews, demos
or any other information and get used to the disappointing ones to
show our appreciation for the retail channel and to properly support
pc gaming. Then you turn right around and ask us for our initial
impressions of a game you are thinking about buying.

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of the human mind to correlate all its contents." - H.P. Lovecraft
 
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"Johnny Bravo" <baawa_knight@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:07:20 +0000, sayNO2piracy
> <sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 12 Mar 2005, "OldDog" wrote:
>>
>>> Save a tree and use Steam.
>>
>>hypocrite!
>
> You might want to watch who you are calling a hypocrite, especially
> after you go on and on to tell us that a "true pc gamer", which you
> are obviously not, should just go and buy games without reviews, demos
> or any other information and get used to the disappointing ones to
> show our appreciation for the retail channel and to properly support
> pc gaming. Then you turn right around and ask us for our initial
> impressions of a game you are thinking about buying.
>
> --


Nice Post Johnny
 
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"sayNO2piracy" <sayNO2steam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 12 Mar 2005, "OldDog" wrote:
>
> > Save a tree and use Steam.
>
> hypocrite!
> you do more waste in an hour than what a single pc game represents!
>

Oh I waste stuff. However, I do my best to recycle and cut down on waste.
Like, save a tree and buy downloadable games.

> > You're done fighting Steam?
>
> that was yesterday... and yes when i wrote it i was done fighting
> steam for that day, but today is a new day and i'll start all over
> again
>

Glad to hear that you're back in the fight. At least for this day. 😉

> > Save shelf space and use Steam. 😉
>
> don't you have to backup the pc games you bought?
> don't that also take shelf space!!!!
>

Didn't you say earlier that there was no need to backup a game? As for me,
I don't backup my games. I did in the past, but now I just try my best not
to scratch them. And with Steam, there's no need to. 😉

> you are so brainwashed and controlled by steam you are completely
> blind to everthing else
>

I'm brainwashed by Steam, and your brainwashed by Microsoft.
What are we to do?
Can science help us?
Will Timmy get out of the well in time?

So how's the weather down there? It's a sunny 76deg with a gentle breeze.
Time for this OldDog to go out in the grass and roll around.
 
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On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:07:20 +0000, sayNO2piracy <sayNO2steam@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>hypoWANGER!
>you do more WANGER in an WANGER than what a WANGER pc WANGER represents!
>
>
>that WANGER yesterWANGER... and WANGER when i WANGERED it i was done WANGERING
>steam for that WANGER, but WANGER is a new WANGER and i'll WANGER all over
>again
>
>
>don't you WANGER to backup the pc WANGERS you WANGERED?
>don't that also WANGER WANGER space!!!!
>
>you are so WANGERED and controlled by WANGER you are completely
>WANGER to everthing WANGER

Hey, it rhymes!

--
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Hong Ooi wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:07:20 +0000, sayNO2piracy <sayNO2steam@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>hypoWANGER!
>>you do more WANGER in an WANGER than what a WANGER pc WANGER represents!
>>
>>
>>that WANGER yesterWANGER... and WANGER when i WANGERED it i was done WANGERING
>>steam for that WANGER, but WANGER is a new WANGER and i'll WANGER all over
>>again
>>
>>
>>don't you WANGER to backup the pc WANGERS you WANGERED?
>>don't that also WANGER WANGER space!!!!
>>
>>you are so WANGERED and controlled by WANGER you are completely
>>WANGER to everthing WANGER
>
>
> Hey, it rhymes!
>

....and it makes more sense

--
I mean, you've been around a bit, you know, like, you've, uh... You've
'done it'...
What do you mean?
Well, I mean like,... you've SLEPT, with a lady...
Yes...
What's it like?
 
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sayNO2piracy wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2005, "OldDog" wrote:
>
> > Oh I waste stuff. However, I do my best to recycle and cut down
on waste.
>
> hypocrite!
> you only proof your total ignorance!
> and btw how do you cut down on waste? by going less to the
bathroom!!!!
> don't be ridiculous!
> you are a creator or waste!
> do you understand!
> every single hour you live you create waste! and waster and more
waste!
> only a dead person doesn't create waste!
> so please live with the reality that you are a WASTER CREATOR!
> but don't be sad... EVERYONE IS!

He's talking about the (mis)use of resources that he can reduce. For
example, recycling materials means we don't need to get new stuff out
of the ground.

The only way anyone could reduce waste the way you describe is by using
it as a manure on the garden. Or by being anally retentive.
 
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Peter Lykkegaard wrote:
>
> And the relevance for alt.games.half-life is?
>
> Killfiled due to crossposting


The irony of this is almost beyond belief.
A thread (ostensibly) about computer game packaging is apparently not
relevant to a computer game newsgroup, and a computer game that has
become infamous for it's "packaging" in a way.
But a comment about killfiling is apparently on topic for both this
thread and this newsgroup.

And the crime was to crosspost to a number of different newsgroups -
exactly as Peter does.

If I had a killfile, I would be tempted to killfile Peter for being a
twat.

(And yes, I know I'm probably just as bad for continuing this but hey,
kf me if it pleases you.)
 
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Hong Ooi wrote:

> (Scaramouch, scaramouch, will you do the fandango!)

Bravo, Hong Ooi.
 
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"Chadwick" wrote

> A thread (ostensibly) about computer game packaging is apparently not
> relevant to a computer game newsgroup, and a computer game that has
> become infamous for it's "packaging" in a way.

Common questions is ontopic in the main groups and as a consequence offtopic
in the specific groups
The discussion is NOT about the HL2 packaging specific but about packaging
in general
Hence the subject: US vs EU pc game packaging

With your arguments one could say that it'll be ok to discuss HL in a group
about religion
Or it'd be ok to discuss 3D modeling in this group

Read and learn!
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

- Peter
 
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"Chadwick" <chadwick110@hotmail.com> looked up from reading the entrails
of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:

>
>Peter Lykkegaard wrote:
>>
>> And the relevance for alt.games.half-life is?
>>
>> Killfiled due to crossposting
>
>
>The irony of this is almost beyond belief.
>A thread (ostensibly) about computer game packaging is apparently not
>relevant to a computer game newsgroup, and a computer game that has
>become infamous for it's "packaging" in a way.
>But a comment about killfiling is apparently on topic for both this
>thread and this newsgroup.

Some people can't seem to think beyond comparing the subject with the
group. I guess peter is one of those - since it didn't have HL2 in the
title it must be off topic.

>And the crime was to crosspost to a number of different newsgroups -
>exactly as Peter does.
>
>If I had a killfile, I would be tempted to killfile Peter for being a
>twat.

Well you sort of could by using a search filter to not display his
posts.
author: -peter.aghl@gmail.com

>(And yes, I know I'm probably just as bad for continuing this but hey,
>kf me if it pleases you.)

Sometimes you have to.

Xocyll
--
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a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
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"Xocyll" <Xocyll@kingston.net> wrote in message
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> Some people can't seem to think beyond comparing the subject with the
> group. I guess peter is one of those - since it didn't have HL2 in the
> title it must be off topic.
>

I got $50 that says if you check Peters posts , he responds to his BUDS a
lot different. there are TONS of off topics stuff posted here all the time
from the 'regs'. I doubt he has many of them in his liddle killfile.

He just sounds like my daughter who is 3 when she doesn't get her way.

BTW, did you see is other posts of the day proclaiming how he is leaving ,
but still manages to post.


"PETE, Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out".
 
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OldDog wrote:

> I don't think you are using this word correctly. Now if I were to
> say that I think pc gaming is evil, and yet play 4 hrs of HL2 a
> night, then I would be a hypocrite. If I were to complain about the
> folks in here misspailing words, and not spail checking my own , then
> I would be a hypocrite. If I were to say that I don't waste stuff,
> and yet throw pc game boxes away, then I would be a hypocrite.

If I may add one more, you are a hypocrite if you tell everyone you only buy
three-year-old budget games, but tell everyone else to buy all their games
new.

> I try to cut down on the use of paper products, gas use, and other
> resources.
> I do my best to recycle cans, paper, and other items.
> I do a submarine shower. (Turn on water for 1min, soap up, turn
> water back on and rinse).
> I try not to drive to the store unless I have a lot of items on my
> shopping list.
> I try not to eat out.
> I ....

I suggest you pick up Penn & Teller Season 2 to find out more about
recycling.
 
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sayNO2steam wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Mar 2005, "OldDog" wrote:
>
> <snip liar ignorant fanatical environmentalist>
>
> please tell us all about what would you do liar ignorant fanatical
> environmentalist to the world if you were in charge?
> would you stop all factory manufacturing?
> oh yes? and how would all those working people survive?
> would you feed their families? their children?
> you are disgusting and i will not want to ever again reply to you!

Hmm, someone must have hacked Usenet and erased the bit where OldDog
said that.

Reducing waste, protecting the environment,whatever you want to call
it, is not about closing factories and living in trees. (Well, there
are a few nutters who probably think it is, but there are always a few
nutters who will believe anything).

It is about making better use of the resources available to us. Things
like making cars that burn fuel more efficiently. Making cars out of
recycled material. Making pens out of tightly rolled recycled paper
instead of plastic. Recycling glass, plastic, paper, metal etc so that
we don't need to make more of the stuff. Using water carefully.
Throwing organic waste on the garden instead of buying chemical
fertilizer. Turning the light off when you leave the room. Not leaving
your TV on standby overnight. Designing material-efficient factories
and products.

All these things (and others like them) will reduce the amount of waste
we create, both as consumers and as manufacturers. Waste products
either get burnt (releasing pollution into the atmosphere, from where
it gets into the water cycle, then the ground, and gradually poisons
the food supply) or they are burined, where they break down very slowly
(if at all) and gradually release chemicals into the ground, then the
water supply, and they gradually poison the food supply.

Pollutants in the air are also largely responsible for the damage to
the ozone layer, which protects the Earth from some of the damaging
radiation from the sun. Without this layer, the radiation hits the
Earth, and is gradually increasing the global climate - which will
eventually have catastrophic effects if it is not checked.

Manufacturing processes create waste products in bulk. We can reduce
this by designing more efficient products that require less
manufactured new materials and more recycled materials. We can design
more efficient factories and manufacturing processes that make better
use of the materials and produce less waste. We can use more
fuel-efficient machinery to reduce waste.

The same principles apply inside our own homes. Reducing the amount of
energy used by turning off lights, insulating your home, turning the
heating down by a degree, closing curtains at dusk etc, means the
powerstations do not need to burn as much coal and gas to create
electricity. And you can directly control the amount of gas you use.

End of lesson.

Summary:
It's not about closing factories. It's about creating less waste and
using less natural resources.
 
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"Hank the Rapper" <xflopgoon@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> OldDog wrote:
>
> > I don't think you are using this word correctly. Now if I were to
> > say that I think pc gaming is evil, and yet play 4 hrs of HL2 a
> > night, then I would be a hypocrite. If I were to complain about the
> > folks in here misspailing words, and not spail checking my own , then
> > I would be a hypocrite. If I were to say that I don't waste stuff,
> > and yet throw pc game boxes away, then I would be a hypocrite.
>
> If I may add one more, you are a hypocrite if you tell everyone you only
buy
> three-year-old budget games, but tell everyone else to buy all their games
> new.
>

Touche!

> > I try to cut down on the use of paper products, gas use, and other
> > resources.
> > I do my best to recycle cans, paper, and other items.
> > I do a submarine shower. (Turn on water for 1min, soap up, turn
> > water back on and rinse).
> > I try not to drive to the store unless I have a lot of items on my
> > shopping list.
> > I try not to eat out.
> > I ....
>
> I suggest you pick up Penn & Teller Season 2 to find out more about
> recycling.
>

This one?

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00019PDNY/103-0198772-8867068?v=glance

"....In the "Environmental Hysteria" episode, for instance, Penn and Teller
'expose' environentalism as a farce by... showing us many clips of the
looniest environmentalists they can get their hands on. But this doesn't
disprove environenmentalism's claims; it only casts doubt on some of the
players. Other episodes do similar things: they take a belief, show that
there are some very strange people who believe in it, and conclude, from
that, that it is bunk - "Bullsh.t."