News UserBenchmark suggests you buy the i5-13600K over the Ryzen 7 9800X3D — says AMD drives sales with 'aggressive marketing' rather than 'real-world p...

[TheHerald]

Ok… links?

AMD were not relevant until Ryzen within your stated time frame, bulldozer was a huge misstep, the Nvidia rise to power was firmly under way and thinking back to 2014 the good that was said was with regard to the R9 390 / Nvidia 970…. “Should have bought a R9 390” the 980… 1080 and newer hammered AMD.

If I give you the links (ill try to find them since besides HUB's that are recent some of them are older) will that make a difference? Will you accept that there is something there?

An obvious example was HUB testing the 3090 with the 3950x because that's what people that pay him (his fans) voted for. That is basically compromising your review by not testing with the fastest CPU at the time just because the people that click on your videos told you not to.

 

[Kona45primo]

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam biased in terms of only showing active steam players who opt in. But looks like a 1.2% decline in Intel vs AMD CPU usage with Intel still well in the lead. Nvidia 3060 & 4060 still the most common gpu's.

 

[stuff and nonesense]

If I give you the links (ill try to find them since besides HUB's that are recent some of them are older) will that make a difference? Will you accept that there is something there?

An obvious example was HUB testing the 3090 with the 3950x because that's what people that pay him (his fans) voted for. That is basically compromising your review by not testing with the fastest CPU at the time just because the people that click on your videos told you not to.

You are quoting an event from 4 years ago….. it was an event with MSI

View: https://youtu.be/79ToTB08TY8

 

[AndreX86]

The anti AMD spin is crazy, but the fundamental argument is sound.

Most people gaming at 1440p will never notice the difference between a 13600k and a 9800x3d. A 14900k or 285k makes even less sense for most gamers when there are cheap, new 12th and 13th gen and zen 4 available.

If you have a limited budget and you are choosing between a 9800x3d+4060 and a 13600k+4070 super, get the better gpu and the cheaper CPU.

I’d get a 7600x instead of the 13600k, but most modern CPUs are fine for anything up to a 4080 at 1440p.

Considering Hardware Unboxed just released a video showing the 9800X3D being up to 35% faster in 4K compared to the 285K in some games, I'm sure people are definitely going to notice that difference when using a 13600K -

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GIvrMWzr9k
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9800X3D vs 285K @ 4k
- Hogwarts Legacy = 35% faster
- Assetto Corsa = 60% faster
- Homworld 3 = 34% faster
- Warhammer = 21% faster
- 14 game average @ 4k = 21% faster for the 9800X3D.

So yes you will definitely notice those results, especially since these gaps will be larger at 1440p... There are games like factorio that also process up to 6x faster on X3D chips.

You also aren't considering the power consumption of the 13600K compared to the 9800X3D or any other X3D chip out there, which is multiple times higher at full load which will require more expensive cooling to keep the temps down.

 

[Crazyy8]

What's even worse about Userbenchmark is that they censor comments praising AMD or talking positively about AMD. I posted a comment about my experience with the 7800X3D, came back 2-3 hours later and it was deleted. I did not shaming Intel or such, the comment was about how it performed in games I play. Now it's my goal to keep that comment up. Whenever I remember, I check the website to see if it's deleted. If it's deleted, I repost it. I do this so frequently that every 5-6 hours, I have to pass a "Are you human" check to use Userbenchmark. I'll show the comment below:

"Bought this CPU in the Microcenter MOBO, CPU, and RAM combo for around $450 back in November last year. It runs BeamNG, BeamMP, RDR2, and other games. Great performance, the only thing holding it back is my GPU(an RTX 4060 Ti 16gb)which I bought for too much for too little performance. It’s currently the 2nd best in the world for gaming, and I absolutely love this chip."

 

[TheHerald]

You are quoting an event from 4 years ago…..

So? Are you suggesting that he was doing what Im claiming back then but now he stopped? Sure, ill take it, but is that what you are saying?

As I've said I can link more recent stuff but will it make a difference? Will you accept that there is something there?

Daniel Owen made not one, but 2 videos about it. And one of them I find hilarious, he is basically saying that 90% of people are buying nvidia, while 90% of the fanatics that keep spamming forums / reddit / youtube etc are using amd hardware. For how obnoxiously crazy userbenchmark is, he was spot on on that part.

EG1. Hub is also doing it now. When he is comparing in multiple videos a 14900k to a 7800x 3d only in games and then conclude that the 7800x 3d is the gaming value king you KNOW he has an agenda. Because who in their right mind looking for value wouldn't compared it to the 13600k that cost like half back then? But of course - then he could proclaim the 7800x 3d the value king. Keep in mind, in the past, when Intel had the fastest gaming chips, he didn't ever compare a 9600k to the 3950x. And of course he shouldn't, that comparison would be stupid. Except he was pulling it constantly when amd had the gaming lead. I wonder why...

 

[stuff and nonesense]

Daniel Owen made not one, but 2 videos about it

Links?

 

[TheHerald]

Links?

Again, if it's not going to make a difference, im not going to post them

 

[Crazyy8]

Again, if it's not going to make a difference, im not going to post them

It would make a difference in convincing people who are not committed to a belief that you're right. I would like to see these videos as well.

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

Of course, there are different aspects to performance and as many benchmarks to measure them.

Take the 285K, for example. It's deemed a "failure" because it falls short of competition in gaming benchmarks. But in professional usage, it's on top; compiling software, Cinebench rendering, etc.

The thing is... in gaming performance, there is such a thing as fast enough. If the CPU can support a frame rate above the monitor refresh rate, it's fast enough. More than that gives you a better benchmark but not a better experience.

On the other hand, compiling software can never be too fast. There is always a benefit from more performance.

So, yeah, when I look at the 9800X3D, I see massive performance in an area where I don't need it. But it beats gaming benchmarks, so it's great for marketing.

I would like to caveat your assessment with pointing towards 1% and 0.1% lows. Some people, including myself, are very sensitive to the stuttering that 1% and 0.1% lows can produce. So if this is your particular dilemma, then the 9800x3d’s ability to decrease the gap between average FPS and said lows is worth it. For other gaming use cases, your assessment is completely valid.

 

[stuff and nonesense]

Nvidia blocked HUB for not pushing RT enough in reviews.. 2000 series
The HUB video I posted references one of the cases you were pushing, that was suppliers, not viewers, (I’m watching it now)

There are always rabid fanboys, they will make a noise. Raise your perception filter.

If you don’t or can’t post your links proving your position I’ll consider your point moot and invalid.

 

[TheHerald]

It would make a difference in convincing people who are not committed to a belief that you're right. I would like to see these videos as well.

If you are going to reddit and other forums and you aren't convinced yet, I don't think the videos are going to convince you to be fair.

 

[TheHerald]

Nvidia blocked HUB for not pushing RT enough in reviews.. 2000 series
The HUB video I posted references one of the cases you were pushing, that was suppliers, not viewers, (I’m watching it now)

There are always rabid fanboys, they will make a noise. Raise your perception filter.

If you don’t or can’t post your links proving your position I’ll consider your point moot and invalid.

No, it had nothing to do with suppliers. He asked for people to vote on his patreon what CPU to use for the review.

Anyways, here you go, 13:20 of the video

View: https://youtu.be/mCfYxs12Z9s?t=801



"Especially being negative about nvidia and positive about amd generates a lot more traffic". Which we already know.

 

[stuff and nonesense]

If you want to make money from YouTube you have to play the game, clickbait title, get the click and get your message across in the video…

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2xHZPH5Sng

 

[TheHerald]

If you want to make money from YouTube you have to play the game

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2xHZPH5Sng

Well of course you do, and the game in the tech space is catering to a specific company's fanatical fanbase.

 

[TheHerald]

Considering Hardware Unboxed just released a video showing the 9800X3D being up to 35% faster in 4K compared to the 285K in some games, I'm sure people are definitely going to notice that difference when using a 13600K -

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GIvrMWzr9k
-

9800X3D vs 285K @ 4k
- Hogwarts Legacy = 35% faster
- Assetto Corsa = 60% faster
- Homworld 3 = 34% faster
- Warhammer = 21% faster
- 14 game average @ 4k = 21% faster for the 9800X3D.

So yes you will definitely notice those results, especially since these gaps will be larger at 1440p... There are games like factorio that also process up to 6x faster on X3D chips.

You also aren't considering the power consumption of the 13600K compared to the 9800X3D or any other X3D chip out there, which is multiple times higher at full load which will require more expensive cooling to keep the temps down.

1) 4k balanced is actually 960p internal resolution.

2) Factorio is barely any faster on the 9800x 3d and slower on every other amd CPU including the 7800x 3d. Factorio is locked to 60 ups on official servers, your goal in terms of performance is to have the biggest base possible while maintaining 60 ups. Intel is on average faster at those big bases (50k maps). Go to the factorio webpage and youll see for yourself. Only the just released 9800x 3d is faster (by 1 ups) than RPL and ALD CPUs on big maps.

 

[stuff and nonesense]

Well of course you do, and the game in the tech space is catering to a specific company's fanatical fanbase.

Looking through Daniel Owen’s channel his videos are split fairly evenly across Nvidia, AMD. There are a few Nvidia vs AMD .. is $30, 50, 100 worth it… cross generational videos but nothing that screams “I have to push AMD over Nvidia”.

His line in the video you posted may be true but his output doesn’t reflect that as a main driver for his output.

 

[DS426]

Actually, tons of people that are into competitive shooters or sim racing play as fast as the game can run on their machine for reduced latency.

Exactly.

Part of the problem with the industry is that gaming performance is almost exclusively judged by average FPS while frame times (plotted to see spikes) and input lag are important metrics as well. Using competitive shooters again as the prime example, the focus isn't on graphical quality but minimal input lag to marry up with high frame rates. FPS correlates to input lag, so naturally, higher FPS tends to result in lower input lag but to a diminishing marginal rate. Additionally, not having the CPU or GPU maxed out tends to keep the FPS drops smaller and gameplay becomes subjectively smoother.

Userbenchmark is and has been a laughing stock for a long time, maybe since it's creation. Funny how their marketing of Intel is far more aggressive than any of AMD's marketing. Sad how many up and coming PC builders are getting brainwashed by that highly opinionated and in many cases objectively false "review" website. And it doesn't just push people toward but nVidia as well.

For goodness sake, people need to do their own research and buy the product, not the marketing anyways.

As for CPU's, yeah, a 5800X3D or 7600X is more than enough for almost anyone, just as far as gaming goes. That doesn't mean faster CPU's are a waste for several reasons, one being that a buyer isn't just making a satisfactory PC for today but one for years later as well. Userbenchmark's frame of mind is so narrowily-focused that it makes my head hurt.

 

[TheHerald]

Looking through Daniel Owen’s channel his videos are split fairly evenly across Nvidia, AMD. There are a few Nvidia vs AMD .. is $30, 50, 100 worth it… cross generational videos but nothing that screams “I have to push AMD over Nvidia”.

His line in the video you posted may be true but his output doesn’t reflect that as a main driver for his output.

Yeah, he is fairly balanced, so? Just because he refused to do so doesn't mean it's not a thing.

I mean just think about it, look at MILD , adoredtv and all these fake "leaks and theories" channels. Who are they promoting? Obviously, AMD. Why do you think that is? Cause their fans are the fanatics that click these kinds of videos.

 

[stuff and nonesense]

1) 4k balanced is actually 960p internal resolution.

2) Factorio is barely any faster on the 9800x 3d and slower on every other amd CPU including the 7800x 3d. Factorio is locked to 60 ups on official servers, your goal in terms of performance is to have the biggest base possible while maintaining 60 ups. Intel is on average faster at those big bases (50k maps). Go to the factorio webpage and youll see for yourself. Only the just released 9800x 3d is faster (by 1 ups) than RPL and ALD CPUs on big maps.

Nowhere in Andre’s post does he mention factorio?

In the HUB video the 4k output is at balanced upscaling, the gpu is taking the burden of the work showing the frames in upscaling a near 1080 p image to 4k. The processor load is roughly equal. It shows a drop off going to 4k and it shows the 9800x3d outperforming the 7700k and the Intel 285k.

 

[stuff and nonesense]

Yeah, he is fairly balanced, so? Just because he refused to do so doesn't mean it's not a thing.

I mean just think about it, look at MILD , adoredtv and all these fake "leaks and theories" channels. Who are they promoting? Obviously, AMD. Why do you think that is? Cause their fans are the fanatics that click these kinds of videos.

I don’t look at leaks sites, no point, it’s all speculation and guesses.

 

[TheHerald]

Nowhere in Andre’s post does he mention factorio?

Read it again, he did.

In the HUB video the 4k output is at balanced upscaling, the gpu is taking the burden of the work showing the frames in upscaling a near 1080 p image to 4k. The processor load is roughly equal. It shows a drop off going to 4k and it shows the 9800x3d outperforming the 7700k and the Intel 285k.

Isn't 4k balanced 960p internal? So what's the point of the test? He is comparing 1080p native to 960p AI upscaled, I don't get the point. Nobody in their right mind would play 4k balanced, would they?

 

[stuff and nonesense]

Read it again, he did.


Isn't 4k balanced 960p internal? So what's the point of the test? He is comparing 1080p native to 960p AI upscaled, I don't get the point. Nobody in their right mind would play 4k balanced, would they?

No idea, I don’t upscale… 1440p native raster.

Factorio.. got me there.

 

[-Fran-]

What amuses me more than UBM being terrible and being called out, is the clown show that trails them all the time. It's like the friggen Cirque du Soleil, but full of sad clowns.

Like... Holy cow man...

I've read this in a few comments and it's sad that people STILL doesn't get the point of low resolution testing. It's baffling. Go back to your schools and ask for a refund. Jeez.

Also, a technicality, but important to mention: the contept of "future proofing" is inconsequential and innacurate at best. You should talk about "aging gracefully". AM4 with the 5800X3D did not "future proof" a thing, but it has "aged" really well. So many car parallels I could make, but I'll spare you all.

Regards.

 

[DS426]

... Obviously, AMD. Why do you think that is? Cause their fans are the fanatics that click these kinds of videos.

That isn't something exclusive to AMD.

Back to the Userbenchmark chart: almost every entry on that page is affected by the RL instability debacle, so the irony is that they're promoting products that are being investigated by a class action lawsuit. Even with the final microcode fix out, not everyone has updated to that (how many don't even know about this situation?), and many have various levels of permanent damage already done to their i5's - i9's.