News UserBenchmark suggests you buy the i5-13600K over the Ryzen 7 9800X3D — says AMD drives sales with 'aggressive marketing' rather than 'real-world p...

[logainofhades]

Hardware unboxed just did a video on 4k gaming and CPU benchmarks.

View: https://youtu.be/5GIvrMWzr9k?si=wqvSpAk06mdYeVzR

 

[jeremyj_83]

The 9800X3D has incredible minimum framerates, I think this has gone under the radar due to the surprising gen on gen avg framerate uplift.

The minimums are very important. In Tomshardware's review it had a 148fps average minimum which is more than 25% higher than any other non X3D chips minimum.

 

[TheHerald]

RTX on will cause a GPU bound scenario, which I saw they had on for what I was able to watch. Almost nobody uses it, in WoW. It only does RT shadows, and offers no real visual improvement, for a big hit to FPS.

5800x3d beats a13900k in Microsoft Flight sim too, so the 14900k wouldn't fair any better.

I know 3d is fast in MSFS, was talking about wow.

With msfs, my megatuned 12900k was 25% slower than a 5800x 3d. It's the only game I've found that the 5800x 3d was indeed faster.

With that said the graph you posted has benched the game somewhere up on the skies, which is kinda whatever. It's when you get closer to big cities that perofmenace tanks on all cpus.

 

[TheHerald]

Hardware unboxed just did a video on 4k gaming and CPU benchmarks.

View: https://youtu.be/5GIvrMWzr9k?si=wqvSpAk06mdYeVzR

Which is not really 4k. 4k dlss balanced is basically 960p internal res.

I bought the chip just to benchmark it, but realistically I expect a 0% improvement on the games Im playing at the settings I'm using. And I'm using dlss q so I'm not even doing 4k native.

 

[jeremyj_83]

I don't know what this has to do with the question you quoted. Did you reply to right post?

I was providing an example of people putting a new midrange GPU into an old system to support that YSCCC was saying. While I wasn't running 9th Gen Intel, my CPU was actually quite a bit older as it was 4th Gen. I then added a bit more data saying my minimums are better than before but my maximums aren't much higher than they were before on a 3440x1440 monitor.

 

[Ogotai]

Which is not really 4k. 4k dlss balanced is basically 960p internal res.

going by this here you may be wrong on what resolution DLSS uses when rendering at 4k...

this here also seems to indicate you are wrong....

do you have a source that 4k dlls is 960p internal ?

 

[waltc3]

No one of note looks at UserBenchmark. Site is long suspected to be financed by Intel--on Reddit/AMD the site is banned from mention, and it's been that way for years, IIRC. But recommending inferior Intel CPUs over obviously superior AMD CPUs has been somewhat of a habit for the site. It's biggest value, I'd assume, for Intel, is with unsuspecting n00bs...

 

[redgarl]

If I was AMD, I would sue for defamation

 

[Kentmos]

Overall Diablo 4 isn't very CPU intensive. Minimum CPU is a 2500k and recommended is a 4670k. Tomshardware did a GPU review of Diablo 4 on 36 GPUs with a 13900k for the CPU. The 4070Ti was getting an average of 109 FPS at 4k with 73 FPS minimum. That means just a CPU upgrade could easily see you getting 40%+ more performance with your GPU.

Yep, I'm currently planning a upgrade.. And at the time, it's kind of hard to choose which path to take.. I'm not all interested in pure gaming. I want my system to be a good allround performer. I have sort of narrowed it down to AMD 9 9950X or Core Ultra 9 285K. Yes, I know that Intel has problems, but I think much potential has yet to be uncovered.

 

[Elusive Ruse]

Which is not really 4k. 4k dlss balanced is basically 960p internal res.

I bought the chip just to benchmark it, but realistically I expect a 0% improvement on the games Im playing at the settings I'm using. And I'm using dlss q so I'm not even doing 4k native.

Stop spreading false information what are you the minister of propaganda?

DLSS Balanced is 58% of 4K resolution which would be approximately 2227 x 1253 pixels.

The reason HUB used 4K with DLSS was because the majority of their audience use DLSS when gaming at 4K.

 

[vanadiel007]

AMD should simply sue them into oblivion. It's clear they spout of against AMD without backing their arguments up.

It should be illegal for that site to write some of the things they write against AMD.

 

[logainofhades]

No one of note looks at UserBenchmark. Site is long suspected to be financed by Intel--on Reddit/AMD the site is banned from mention, and it's been that way for years, IIRC. But recommending inferior Intel CPUs over obviously superior AMD CPUs has been somewhat of a habit for the site. It's biggest value, I'd assume, for Intel, is with unsuspecting n00bs...

Even r/Intel banned them, iirc.

 

[redgarl]

The stock 9800X3D trails the 7800X3D, 7950X3D, 14900K, 13900K, and barely beats (<1 fps difference) the 14700K, 13700K, and Ultra 5 245K for 4K minimum frame rate.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/21.html

Have you ever heard of minimum frame rate?

When people think they are smart and don't understand what a GPU bottleneck is...

You, my friend, are clueless.

 

[redgarl]

Does it matter? The fastest 7800x 3d is sitting below 12900 and 12700k. Come on man...

Obviously everything you see on the top of the charts is megatuned.

CMON man... intelded...

 

[adamXpeter]

The stock 9800X3D trails the 7800X3D, 7950X3D, 14900K, 13900K, and barely beats (<1 fps difference) the 14700K, 13700K, and Ultra 5 245K for 4K minimum frame rate.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/21.html

Have you ever heard of minimum frame rate?

Nice try, but we were speaking about 1440p

 

[TheHerald]

Stop spreading false information what are you the minister of propaganda?

DLSS Balanced is 58% of 4K resolution which would be approximately 2227 x 1253 pixels.

The reason HUB used 4K with DLSS was because the majority of their audience use DLSS when gaming at 4K.

Still, doesn't change the point. He is trying to prove that you don't just get a performance difference at 1080p, but also at... 1253p? Oh well, okay then.

 

[awake283]

I still dont understand WHY they're so biased. Is this a secret group of people with Intel stock? Who runs the site? How do they benefit from championing Intel?

 

[DavidLejdar]

To be fair, when building a completely new rig for gaming on a budget, there sure are other options good enough.

E.g. in my case, with the 7600X in it, it was usually the 6700 XT that hit 100% utilization during gaming sessions. And in many games it was still 100+ FPS at 1440p - which is plenty. So, there wasn't really a strong argument, to upgrade the CPU.

Gonna upgrade the GPU soon enough though. Even noticed improved Low 1% already, which is quite neat, for the few current cases, where ultra settings mean around 60 FPS. (A dip to 30 FPS from 60 has way more of a visual impact, than from 120 to 80 - and that impact even more visible in VR.)

Also, having a multiscreen-setup means one can have screens with different resolutions - that may not be widely known, but it is a fact that e.g. a 1080p screen can be run next to a 4K one. E.g. for racing games, one may be using the 1080p screen, and even add a 12-inch screen to it, as rear mirror or for tachometer etc., or both. Stuff like that easily adds up in regard to demand on hardware. Like, when a rig has average 240 FPS on a single 1080p screen, running e.g. a flight simulator on three 1080p screens simplified means 80 FPS per screen.

Some may be looking specifically for as much FPS as possible for a game such as Counterstrike. But that multi-screen setup thingy, or option thereof, that is what some of us others are after. And a 5% difference at 240 FPS means minus 12 FPS, so in the example, that would be already only 76 FPS per screen, where a bad low 1% would be even more visible in regard to smoothness, or lack thereof.

 

[MergleBergle]

It's not, but they represent 10% of the GPU market and over 50% of the fanatics on the web compared to nvidia.

Well the fanatic part is just completely untrue. If a person mentions that they're considering an AMD GPU for a new system on reddit or whatever, the Jenson fanboys stumble over themselves to attack immediately. The reverse is VERY much not true. Unless of course, your definition of an AMD "fanatic" is someone considering an AMD GPU.

 

[tek-check]

Userbenchmark... why even bother writing an article about them and giving them a platform? They don't deserve this attention.

It's a bunch deluded clowns who manipulate with data so badly, that it's laughable.

 

[MergleBergle]

Userbenchmark... why even bother writing an article about them and giving them a platform? They don't deserve this attention.

It's a bunch deluded clowns who manipulate with data so badly, that it's laughable.

I understand your frustration, but newcomers to the PC party just google stuff like "7700x vs 13600" and the top result is usually Userbenchmark. So to those newcomers who might also be on Toms, it's a Public Service Announcement, in a way.

 

[ravewulf]

Userbenchmark... why even bother writing an article about them and giving them a platform? They don't deserve this attention.

It's a bunch deluded clowns who manipulate with data so badly, that it's laughable.

I think that is the point - to laugh at them

 

[stuff and nonesense]

I understand your frustration, but newcomers to the PC party just google stuff like "7700x vs 13600" and the top listing is usually Userbenchmark. So to those newcomers who might also be on Toms, it's a Public Service Announcement, in a way.

Top two Google pages! I looked for 3080 vs 7900xt many many user benchmark links appeared.

 

[MergleBergle]

Top two Google pages! I looked for 3080 vs 7900xt many many user benchmark links appeared.

I see you decided on the 7900xt lol. (not laughing at your choice, just your choice of search to talk about, and what's in your sig )

 

[stuff and nonesense]

I did the check today… just to see what came up.