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TheHerald

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It's funny how stating "this is the best gaming CPU" is forcing people to buy it.

The logical leap is quite interesting. I guess we're all buying 4090s now.

Regards.
Well the 9800x 3d is far more easily attainable than the 4090. If you check mindfactory sales most people are buying 3d chips and then midrange (7800 xt) gpus. So we can talk crap about UB all day but he has a point.

What makes his take stupid is that he focuses on promoting intel specifically when he could make the same point about the 7600x (or even the 5700x 3d) not just the 13600k
 

Colif

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Shame I can't bookmark a page before it exists as I want to read their ""review"" of the 9950x3d as that will be fun.

There isn't a lot of logic used in the system designed to stop people buying anything AMD make. they would never suggest another AMD CPU. That isn't the aim here. Its not to inform customer accurately of all the choices, just the ones they prefer.
 
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Future proofing has always been and will always be BS. 2 GPU generations from now is going to be in the 3-4 years from now range. We're looking at Zen 7 at that point. The 5800X3D is 2.5 years old to put that 3-4 year timeframe in perspective. in 2028, if you're shopping for an $800 RTX 6070, you're going to want a better CPU than the 9800X3D.
There are 7 in my family and we all game. Most recently we picked up Ark ASA and the 1080's weren't cutting it anymore, so the i moved the 3080's down to the 9600k systems and bought 4070ti's for the 12900k systems.
 

logainofhades

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Future proofing has always been and will always be BS. 2 GPU generations from now is going to be in the 3-4 years from now range. We're looking at Zen 7 at that point. The 5800X3D is 2.5 years old to put that 3-4 year timeframe in perspective. in 2028, if you're shopping for an $800 RTX 6070, you're going to want a better CPU than the 9800X3D.

Future proofing is a misnomer, but spending a bit more up front, so you system holds up a bit longer, is not a bad thing. Buy cheap pay twice. We still often see people come here asking for new build advice, that are still using 4790k's. They paid more up front, and it lasted then quite a bit longer than a 4690k would have.


The 5800x3d has held up quite well, and will stay relevant for quite some time. The 9800x3d will easily still be relevant in 2028, for most people. Also with AM5 support going till 2027+, the whole platform will still be quite relevant as well.
 

TheHerald

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Future proofing is a misnomer, but spending a bit more up front, so you system holds up a bit longer, is not a bad thing. Buy cheap pay twice. We still often see people come here asking for new build advice, that are still using 4790k's. They paid more up front, and it lasted then quite a bit longer than a 4690k would have.


The 5800x3d has held up quite well, and will stay relevant for quite some time. The 9800x3d will easily still be relevant in 2028, for most people. Also with AM5 support going till 2027+, the whole platform will still be quite relevant as well.
Usually spending more (within reason, of course) saves you money in the longrun. I have preached this countless of times - it is true even in the techspace - but people are oblivious to the fact. Now the opposite can also be true, spending more can actually end up in a big pile of burned money (im looking at you 3090).

480$ is a steep price to pay but I can easily see the 9800x 3d being still relevant at 4k in 2030 with the best card of the time. Not that much different than an 8700k (2017 cpu) - it still holds up today. Wouldn't pair it with a 4090 (not at stock untuned xmp anyways), but a 4080? Sure, why not.
 
Future proofing is a misnomer, but spending a bit more up front, so you system holds up a bit longer, is not a bad thing. Buy cheap pay twice. We still often see people come here asking for new build advice, that are still using 4790k's. They paid more up front, and it lasted then quite a bit longer than a 4690k would have.
While I wasn't looking for build advice, I was one of those people who very recently upgraded from a 4770k (September 2013 build). Ironically back then I was looking at going with an i5-4670k instead but Newegg had a bundle offer that gave either $100 or $200 off the CPU, Motherboard, and RAM for the 4770k and only like $50 for the bundle with the 4670k so the cost wasn't much higher for the 4770k. Fast forward 11 years and it was still OK for gaming (Borderland 3, RDR2, Civ VI, etc..) but was maxed out at 32GB RAM and that just wasn't enough for me needs anymore. Had I been able to get 64GB RAM into that PC I would probably not have upgraded it for another couple years. All that said your statement about spending a little extra now (assuming budget) for more CPU can save you money in the long run.
 

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Future proofing is a misnomer, but spending a bit more up front, so you system holds up a bit longer, is not a bad thing. Buy cheap pay twice. We still often see people come here asking for new build advice, that are still using 4790k's. They paid more up front, and it lasted then quite a bit longer than a 4690k would have.
For CPU's, it really doesn't. When we're talking within single digits for half the price, it's not really a little money either. Going with a 14900k over a 14700k or a 7950x over a 7900x is not going to allow you to put off an upgrade another generation or longer. The extra threads will rarely be useful, and the low threaded performance is so close among the CPU's in a single generation that you're not affording yourself any extra time spending more on a higher end cpu. Knocking $200 off your CPU budget while only losing 5% or so performance will land you a higher rung Blackwell GPU in a few months that will likely net you more than 5% and more consistently as well (not 15% some games and 0% others).

9800X3D will be absolutely fine for gaming in 4 years especially as you go up the resolution chain just as a 12600k is perfectly acceptable for the overwhelming majority of gamers today. The people buying a 9800X3D today are not making a rational decision based in logic. In a few years from now, when they look at the rankings and see the 9800X3D way down the chart like a 5800X3D is today, they're going feel like they are missing out on something, when they really aren't, and are going to get the upgrade itch again.
 
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For CPU's, it really doesn't. When we're talking within single digits for half the price, it's not really a little money either. Going with a 14900k over a 14700k or a 7950x over a 7900x is not going to allow you to put off an upgrade another generation or longer. The extra threads will rarely be useful, and the low threaded performance is so close among the CPU's in a single generation that you're not affording yourself any extra time spending more on a higher end cpu. Knocking $200 off your CPU budget while only losing 5% or so performance will land you a higher rung Blackwell GPU in a few months that will likely net you more than 5% and more consistently as well (not 15% some games and 0% others).

9800X3D will be absolutely fine for gaming in 4 years especially as you go up the resolution chain just as a 12600k is perfectly acceptable for the overwhelming majority of gamers today. The people buying a 9800X3D today are not making a rational decision based in logic. In a few years from now, when they look at the rankings and see the 9800X3D way down the chart like a 5800X3D is today, they're going feel like they are missing out on something, when they really aren't, and are going to get the upgrade itch again.


You are mostly correct. There is a single question regarding upgrades. Do I get the frame rates I want in the games I want to play? (Assuming it is achievable, today you won’t see 400fps in Starfield)

If you have a strong processor as a base, your gpu is running at 100% and you can’t achieve your desired rate then upgrade the gpu. If the processor is weaker and your gpu is running at (for sake of argument) 50% then upgrade your cpu.

Buying any intel 12 and later 700 class and upper will give you decent longevity, same can be said for the 5800x3d (waning but still relevant), 7800x3x and 9800x3d. For the performance the 9800x3d offers it isn’t overpriced. It is head and shoulders above the competition (across all the reviews I’ve seen) with incredible 1% lows approaching the averages offered by its competitors in many cases.

Granted, it will become relatively weaker as the competition improves just as its successors will make it look less compelling. Its price will come down to some extent.

Replacing your processor? Does it allow your gpu to give you your desired frame rates? Save your money if yes.. replace if no.

I personally go by the idea “buy well, buy once” and I tend to buy above what I need at the moment I am making a purchase. With items with a finite period of relevance e.g. CPUs I tend to change every third generation, last was a 3900x (star citizen is a processor hog so the jump to 9900x is a huge jump and I do see smooth gameplay with the 9900x, I wasn’t seeing the same with the 3900).
 

logainofhades

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For CPU's, it really doesn't. When we're talking within single digits for half the price, it's not really a little money either. Going with a 14900k over a 14700k or a 7950x over a 7900x is not going to allow you to put off an upgrade another generation or longer. The extra threads will rarely be useful, and the low threaded performance is so close among the CPU's in a single generation that you're not affording yourself any extra time spending more on a higher end cpu. Knocking $200 off your CPU budget while only losing 5% or so performance will land you a higher rung Blackwell GPU in a few months that will likely net you more than 5% and more consistently as well (not 15% some games and 0% others).

9800X3D will be absolutely fine for gaming in 4 years especially as you go up the resolution chain just as a 12600k is perfectly acceptable for the overwhelming majority of gamers today. The people buying a 9800X3D today are not making a rational decision based in logic. In a few years from now, when they look at the rankings and see the 9800X3D way down the chart like a 5800X3D is today, they're going feel like they are missing out on something, when they really aren't, and are going to get the upgrade itch again.


Resale value is another thing to consider. Under normal conditions, the top end CPU for a given platform will sell for more, on the used market, when you are ready to upgrade. The 9900k is still stubbornly selling for like $220 on Ebay. 10900k's are $300+.