News UserBenchmark suggests you buy the i5-13600K over the Ryzen 7 9800X3D — says AMD drives sales with 'aggressive marketing' rather than 'real-world p...

[AndreX86]

1) 4k balanced is actually 960p internal resolution.

2) Factorio is barely any faster on the 9800x 3d and slower on every other amd CPU including the 7800x 3d. Factorio is locked to 60 ups on official servers, your goal in terms of performance is to have the biggest base possible while maintaining 60 ups. Intel is on average faster at those big bases (50k maps). Go to the factorio webpage and youll see for yourself. Only the just released 9800x 3d is faster (by 1 ups) than RPL and ALD CPUs on big maps.

1. What? Hogwarts was not "Balanced", did you watch the video?

2. Looking at the factorio benchmarks for the flame_Sla 10k benchmark, the fastest Intel on the list is a 14900KS pulling 403 UPS but the average is around 275-300. My 7950X3D did 462 but the highest for that is in the 517 UPS. 9800X3D's top speed in the results are 604 UPS.

What factorio benchmark are you looking at where Intel is faster than any of the 7000 series X3D chips?

 

[tamalero]

UserBenchmark has put forth a very interesting take on AMD's Ryzen 7 9800X3D and suggests users snag the i5-13600K instead since "spending more on a gaming CPU is pointless."

UserBenchmark suggests you buy the i5-13600K over the Ryzen 7 9800X3D — says AMD drives sales with 'aggressive marketing' rather than 'real-world p... : Read more

Didn´t this guy get even worse?
I swear I saw him using alt names or bots on different websites and youtube videos. Claiming that AMD's performance is just marketing by paid PR.
Even accusing the likes of Hardware Nexus as AMD chills.

Almost the same verbal kind of diatribe you see in his rants on his site.

 

[tamalero]

i mean Zen2 was about when they matched intel. Zen3 was generally amd beating intel overall and zen 4/5 it was no brainer.

userbenchmark is one of worst sites to trust given their biased history & relying on massively variable datasets.

can only imagine how bad it will get when they start using llm to sort stuff.

Don´t forget that many of these datasets or "case studies" have nothing to do with performance or anything that could benefit the customer.
Like how do you measure ¨cool hardware", "popularity" or ¨being newer"? (last one is being actively used and twisted consistently to make AMD always lose )

 

[AndreX86]

No one is talking about a 285k in this thread. If you only want a gaming CPU, you should not buy a 285k. No one is arguing otherwise.

The difference between a 13600K and a 9800X3D in gaming power usage is 14 watts (65W vs 79W). That's an irrelevant difference to base a decision on. If I gamed 24 hours a day, every day of the year, it would cost me $13.50 additionally per year. At a more reasonable, but still high 2 hours a day (every single day of the year), I'm looking at $1.12 per year. It's going to take a long time to make up the cost difference at a $1 a year.

Fair and at this point the 13600K is so cheap its a steal and might be worth it. But if you're planning on gaming at 4K and gaming is your primary usage, you likely want the best gaming GPU and CPU and if youre spending $1K-2K on a GPU to play at 4K, its a little silly to not get the best gaming CPU on the planet instead of an Intel CPU because you will be future proofing yourself if you ever get a better GPU down the line. In gaming the X3D CPU's will continue to provide better performance than their intel counterparts for years to come.

 

[tamalero]

If I was AMD, I would sue for defamation

It could cause an Streisand effect imho.

 

[Ogotai]

13600K is so cheap its a steal and might be worth it

um no its not, not with the issues 13th and 14th gen have with degradation and such...

 

[AndreX86]

Yep, I'm currently planning a upgrade.. And at the time, it's kind of hard to choose which path to take.. I'm not all interested in pure gaming. I want my system to be a good allround performer. I have sort of narrowed it down to AMD 9 9950X or Core Ultra 9 285K. Yes, I know that Intel has problems, but I think much potential has yet to be uncovered.

You may want to wait for the 9950X3D. That thing is supposed to perform at the same level as a 9950X in terms of productivity but is expected to outperform the 9800X3D in gaming. Should be a full 16core monster X3D CPU.

 

[AndreX86]

um no its not, not with the issues 13th and 14th gen have with degradation and such...

I'm trying to ignore that to give the Intel guys a leg to stand on 😅. I mean, there' a reason why they are so cheap...

 

[Ogotai]

I'm trying to ignore that to give the Intel guys a leg to stand on 😅. I mean, there' a reason why they are so cheap...

 

[YSCCC]

I'm not saying 9th and 10 gen users don't exist. I'm saying 9th and 10th gen users that have a GPU at a 4070 level or higher are likely an extremely niche portion of the market.

You're not paying attention to what I'm saying. I don't think there is anything wrong with a person using a 4090 buying a 9800X3D. If you want the best and the rest of your system is already maxed, go for it. What I'm saying is that if you don't have a 4090, there is no logical reason to go for a 9800X3D outside of fringe situations. A 14700k is $150 to $200 cheaper than a 7800X3D right now, despite only being 2.5% slower at 1440p. You're not going to future proof anything buying the 7800X3D. In 4 years when 1440p is maybe similar to 1080p today, the difference between the 14700k and 7800X3D will increase to maybe 5% which is the difference at 1080p between those 2 today. Does spending an extra $150 to $200 today make sense to get 63fps in 4 years vs 60 fps with a GPU equivalent to a 4090? I'd argue, no. That money is better not spent and put towards a better upgrade in the future.

You don’t get my point either man, the future proofing is two fold, firstly when the gpu isn’t the bottleneck anymore, the 9800X3D is like up to 30% faster than a 14700k, so in 4 years time, it’s less likely to bottleneck the 6070 or above at 1080 or 1440. So getting it instead of the EOL RPL did give you the option to not cpu bottlenecking for a generation if not more.
Plus with the X3Ds now being popular in the gaming community, you can’t guarantee if the game devs will lean more to coding it in. A more cache sensitive way than before, so that’s also a bonus.

Second future proofing is that AM5 platform is more likely to have 1-2 more generations of life in it. Just like how the 5800X3D is still available to be purchased now. In 3-4 years time you still have an option to spend much less to only get a new am5 cpu if you want, but you can’t do so on LGA1700 except gambling the 14900k available on second hand isn’t degraded.

Future proofing is just that maximising your system’s potential useful life for a few more years down the road, that’s also why some ppl just buy the high end n stuffs, for current softwares there is usually no reason to go past i5 and 70 class gpu, but getting the higher end could make it last longer before you need a complete overhaul of your systems.

 

[Pierce2623]

How that heavily bias and laughably out of touch clown show continues to get pub and have people trust it is simply unbelievable.

It’s simply a matter of paying to be top Google result if you try to compare hardware.

 

[TheHerald]

1. What? Hogwarts was not "Balanced", did you watch the video?

2. Looking at the factorio benchmarks for the flame_Sla 10k benchmark, the fastest Intel on the list is a 14900KS pulling 403 UPS but the average is around 275-300. My 7950X3D did 462 but the highest for that is in the 517 UPS. 9800X3D's top speed in the results are 604 UPS.

What factorio benchmark are you looking at where Intel is faster than any of the 7000 series X3D chips?

The big maps. Sia50k for example.

 

[Pierce2623]

So you're writing an article in order to slander some other company. Not cool.
What matters is the benchmarks. I've compared all my benchmarks to user bench and they really haven't been that much different.
Get off the slander train. It doesn't make you look good.

No they wrote an article that calls out clear libel. Userbenchmark constantly crows about AMD marketing when it’s literally a fraction of Intel marketing. In 2019, when AMD finally got back unquestionably ahead of Intel, Userbenchmark literally changed their score weighting to where “multicore” performance only goes up to 8 cores(because AMD released 12 and 16 core consumer parts wheat was Intel had none) and had its weighting reduced too, just to make there numbers minimize AMD’s advantage. I think the dude must’ve poured booze down his PC and had AMD refuse an RMA on the ruined chip.

 

[raminpro]

in that site 8core intel beat threadripper 32 core

i am sure INTEL BEHIND THAT SCAM SITE

they harm many human by show fake,wrong results

 

[TheHerald]

1. What? Hogwarts was not "Balanced", did you watch the video?

2. Looking at the factorio benchmarks for the flame_Sla 10k benchmark, the fastest Intel on the list is a 14900KS pulling 403 UPS but the average is around 275-300. My 7950X3D did 462 but the highest for that is in the 517 UPS. 9800X3D's top speed in the results are 604 UPS.

What factorio benchmark are you looking at where Intel is faster than any of the 7000 series X3D chips?

I checked hub's video again, he is indeed testing with 4k balanced (and 1080p of course).

And this is me running the same settings and same area
I fully expect the 9800x 3d to be faster than my 12900k, but at stock - not by much. It's amazing what memory tuning can do (4k balanced - High preset)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvJnuZ-2frA

 

[dalauder]

This is about UserBenchmark, which is a pretty terrible benchmark. So I wouldn't bother with one of their articles, but I respect the criticism of bad journalism.

While I generally agree with the sentiment that games are rarely CPU limited, the website is ignoring the years when Intel lied about real-world performance and only quoted frame rates that required absurd power pumped through the chips. For years, I talked about Reddit users posting throttling on Intel in all real-world situations (with OEM builds). And it turns out, all that extra voltage WAS destroying the chips.

UserBenchmark is being critical of AMD for non-issue when it gave Intel a free pass on a big issue.

 

[dalauder]

Second Point:

Plenty of VR games don't achieve comfortable/immersive framerates (90 fps+) with anything less than a 7800X3D. At least that's what happens in VRChat.

 

[hannibal]

Dell, Lenovo and HP count for 40% of Intel revenue, not sure how much of this goes to corporate and how much to retail, the split is 19%, 11% and 10% for each company respectively for the big 3.

Take the corporates out of the 72/28 figures you will be closer to 50/50.

CPU revenue was split 10 billion, 17 billion, 2 billion across desktop, laptop and a nebulous other.

2023 figures.

Purely anecdotal but the 2 PC vendors in my town have sold few, <20 Intel cpus this year. By contrast they have orders in for 200 9800x3d chips, all sold.. they have only taken orders to their allocation.

Yeah... but for company the corporations means a lot! Because that is where the steady income is. And as long as AMD income is based on mainly to normal customers. AMD will have trouples economically, when "normal" customers drop out for reason or another.

 

[dalauder]

Actually, tons of people that are into competitive shooters or sim racing play as fast as the game can run on their machine for reduced latency.

People say that. I call "BS" though on anything over 144 fps. There are simply limits to human perception. Anything beyond that is placebo.

 

[dalauder]

Yeah... but for company the corporations means a lot! Because that is where the steady income is. And as long as AMD income is based on mainly to normal customers. AMD will have trouples economically, when "normal" customers drop out for reason or another.

You would think...but AMD isn't the one going out of business right now.

 

[YSCCC]

People say that. I call "BS" though on anything over 144 fps. There are simply limits to human perception. Anything beyond that is placebo.

I think the thing is not the over 144fps, besides placebo effects, it is basically microstutters resulted from frame time spikes and microstuttering. it's that 0.1% or even 0.01% low where stuffs like FPS opponent jumps into frame or so having an impact.

 

[TheHerald]

People say that. I call "BS" though on anything over 144 fps. There are simply limits to human perception. Anything beyond that is placebo.

I guess im too old for this, but testing between 240 and 480 hz (my monitor can do both), I cannot see any difference between the 2. Like 0.

Now have I tried 480 hz for a week and then went back to 240, I think I might have detected something.

 

[ottonis]

Plot twist: what if that site is just using inverse psychology in order to motivate as many users as possible to go AMD?
After all, saying that the fastest gaming-CPU (by large) is useless for gaming is such a bogus argument, that nobody in their right mind is going to believe that.
Of course, depending on the resolution there will be limitations set by the GPU, however, most people don't play at 4K but rather at 1080p, and there's exactly where the CPU has its greatest impact.

 

[vink]

With INTEL i5-12600k I can play any 4K game on STEAM with RTX 4080. Period.

 

[newtechldtech]

AMD does not force you to buy anything .. you want i5 go and get one . in the mean while each person will buy the CPU that suits his needs.