[SOLVED] VERY poor game performance + cannot overclock anymore.

[flaiR-IV]

Hello everyone.

Recently, my system is taking a massive dump on itself and before I go out and buy a bunch of new parts, I'd like to see if anyone here can possibly make sense of my situation and give me some advice.

My system:
Ryzen 5 2600
MSI B450M Bazooka V2
MSI GTX 1070 Armor
Corsair Vengeance LPX (4x8 @ 3200MHz supposedly)
Cougar CMX 1000W PSU

The biggest issue that I'm having is that my FPS has just been getting really bad in every game, and I mean REALLY bad. CS:GO is constantly dipping below 90 FPS and stutters at nearly every gun shot and Team Fortress 2 is only getting 50-70 FPS. Mind you that this is only within the past 3 weeks.

My system used to be slightly overclocked, but recently, any form of overclocking outside of my motherboards GameMode Overclock preset causes the computer to get stuck in a boot cycle with the CPU failure LED glowing before it shuts down. Even without trying to overclock the CPU, trying to overclock my RAM never works. The RAM has always been stuck at the default 2133 MHz or possibly even 1533 MHz because I can never get it to overclock without the PC becoming unusable (yes, I had the correct voltages for overclocking as well).

If people are going to say potential overheating issues, I've been monitoring my temps for a long time and my temps are actually amazing. I average 53-60C on the CPU during most games and 57-67C on the GPU.

My Windows is all up to date, I have installed no malicious programs, I keep my drivers up to date, and yet I still lag horribly. Also, turning down graphics in 90% of games has literally no effect on my actual frame rate (which leads me to believe that the GPU is completely fine). Even more frustrating is that someone on YouTube posted a video of them using a system very similar to mine and their CS:GO frame rate averaged 297 while I can barely get 105 consistently.

If anyone has any ideas of what I can do to fix this before I go out and spend $600+ to get new parts, that would make me really happy.

Thanks,
flaiR

 

[kurdtnz]

Can you run userbenchmark and post a link to your results? (userbenchmark can be a pretty good indicator to some common problems)

 

[CountMike]

Hello everyone.

Recently, my system is taking a massive dump on itself and before I go out and buy a bunch of new parts, I'd like to see if anyone here can possibly make sense of my situation and give me some advice.

My system:
Ryzen 5 2600
MSI B450M Bazooka V2
MSI GTX 1070 Armor
Corsair Vengeance LPX (4x8 @ 3200MHz supposedly)
Cougar CMX 1000W PSU

The biggest issue that I'm having is that my FPS has just been getting really bad in every game, and I mean REALLY bad. CS:GO is constantly dipping below 90 FPS and stutters at nearly every gun shot and Team Fortress 2 is only getting 50-70 FPS. Mind you that this is only within the past 3 weeks.

My system used to be slightly overclocked, but recently, any form of overclocking outside of my motherboards GameMode Overclock preset causes the computer to get stuck in a boot cycle with the CPU failure LED glowing before it shuts down. Even without trying to overclock the CPU, trying to overclock my RAM never works. The RAM has always been stuck at the default 2133 MHz or possibly even 1533 MHz because I can never get it to overclock without the PC becoming unusable (yes, I had the correct voltages for overclocking as well).

If people are going to say potential overheating issues, I've been monitoring my temps for a long time and my temps are actually amazing. I average 53-60C on the CPU during most games and 57-67C on the GPU.

My Windows is all up to date, I have installed no malicious programs, I keep my drivers up to date, and yet I still lag horribly. Also, turning down graphics in 90% of games has literally no effect on my actual frame rate (which leads me to believe that the GPU is completely fine). Even more frustrating is that someone on YouTube posted a video of them using a system very similar to mine and their CS:GO frame rate averaged 297 while I can barely get 105 consistently.

If anyone has any ideas of what I can do to fix this before I go out and spend $600+ to get new parts, that would make me really happy.

Thanks,
flaiR

Try this:
Reset CMOS to defaults, if you don't already have it, download, install latest Ryzen Master and try AutoOC option. It will make some settings in BIOS and check stability.

 

[TerryLaze]

My system used to be slightly overclocked, but recently, any form of overclocking outside of my motherboards GameMode Overclock preset causes the computer to get stuck in a boot cycle with the CPU failure LED glowing before it shuts down.

Define slightly because it looks like CPU degradation from too high Vcore.
Is that GameMode Overclock doing anything to the CPU, if yes can you tell us?

 

[flaiR-IV]

Try this:
Reset CMOS to defaults, if you don't already have it, download, install latest Ryzen Master and try AutoOC option. It will make some settings in BIOS and check stability.

Actually, using Ryzen Master is what started screwing up my ability to OC in the first place. I simply adjusted my CPU to 3.90GHz with 1.350 V and the RAM at 3000MHz with 1.35 V and after rebooting , the computer gets stuck shutting down until I factory reset it with the CMOS jumper.

Doing it in the BIOS yields the same result despite going with speeds and voltages within safe recommendations.

 

[flaiR-IV]

Define slightly because it looks like CPU degradation from too high Vcore.
Is that GameMode Overclock doing anything to the CPU, if yes can you tell us?

The Overclock built into the system is one of those classic auto OC modes that just turns up the CPU from its default 3.20GHz to around 38.50GHz whenever a game becomes demanding. I used to use it in the past, but found that it basically didn't help at all with performance.

Before trying to use Ryzen Master to help OC my memory in my last reply to another person, I did have my CPU OC'd to 3.90GHz in the BIOS, but I guess the RAM is what is possibly making the system crash upon attempting to OC it.

 

[flaiR-IV]

Can you run userbenchmark and post a link to your results? (userbenchmark can be a pretty good indicator to some common problems)

Doing a Passmark test (which I haven't done in some time) yielded results I was not surprised by at all. My CPU is slightly below average for a 2600 (since I can't overclock it anymore), my RAM is absolutely TERRIBLE (as it always has been), but everything else is really good.

I'm really starting to think that this is either a CPU issue or a PSU issue, but I also don't want to be to sure and just buy a new PSU only to find that literally nothing has changed...

Results of the test (doing it this way since Imgur and tom's won't let me post an image right now...):
CPU: 12847 (70th percentile - lower score than most Ryzen 5 2600's)
2D Mark: 740 (63rd percentile)
3D Mark: 12705 (75th percentile - performing slightly below average with no OC)
Memory Mark: 2041 (34th percentile - WAY below average/expectations)
Disk Mark: 15509 (80th percentile)

 

[Bob.B]

Doing a Passmark test (which I haven't done in some time) yielded results I was not surprised by at all. My CPU is slightly below average for a 2600 (since I can't overclock it anymore), my RAM is absolutely TERRIBLE (as it always has been), but everything else is really good.

I'm really starting to think that this is either a CPU issue or a PSU issue, but I also don't want to be to sure and just buy a new PSU only to find that literally nothing has changed...

Results of the test (doing it this way since Imgur and tom's won't let me post an image right now...):
CPU: 12847 (70th percentile - lower score than most Ryzen 5 2600's)
2D Mark: 740 (63rd percentile)
3D Mark: 12705 (75th percentile - performing slightly below average with no OC)
Memory Mark: 2041 (34th percentile - WAY below average/expectations)
Disk Mark: 15509 (80th percentile)

Run this and post a link to the results page.......PC Benchmark
No need to post an image.

 

[Phaaze88]

Even without trying to overclock the CPU, trying to overclock my RAM never works. The RAM has always been stuck at the default 2133 MHz or possibly even 1533 MHz because I can never get it to overclock without the PC becoming unusable (yes, I had the correct voltages for overclocking as well).
Corsair Vengeance LPX (4x8 @ 3200MHz supposedly)

Unlikely to get that A-XMP profile to work with 4 sticks. Ryzen 2000 and 1000 were REAL picky about that.
2 sticks at 3200mhz? Heck yeah! 4 though? 2800-2933 was the highest the memory controller on most of them could handle at 4 sticks.

 

[flaiR-IV]

Unlikely to get that A-XMP profile to work with 4 sticks. Ryzen 2000 and 1000 were REAL picky about that.
2 sticks at 3200mhz? Heck yeah! 4 though? 2800-2933 was the highest the memory controller on most of them could handle at 4 sticks.

Thing is, my A-XMP profile on my motherboard only clocks to 2800MHz at 1.350V, so it's nothing that the CPU/motherboard can't handle.

 

[Phaaze88]

Thing is, my A-XMP profile on my motherboard only clocks to 2800MHz at 1.350V, so it's nothing that the CPU/motherboard can't handle.

Your first post says the 4x 8GB kit is rated for 3200mhz. Is that true?

I don't have a problem if you've got it working on across 4 sticks at 2800mhz.
Doing higher frequencies than that across 4 sticks is hard on the cpu's Internal Memory Controllers. A stable 3200mhz was pretty much up to silicon lottery.
Some users could get it stable by raising VCCSA and VCCIO values, but some of the IMCs couldn't take the extra voltage and died after a few months or so.

 

[flaiR-IV]

Run this and post a link to the results page.......PC Benchmark
No need to post an image.

Here are the results. Disk Mark is slightly lower than last time I did it, but it's usually higher than that.
PassMark Score (click)

 

[flaiR-IV]

Your first post says the 4x 8GB kit is rated for 3200mhz. Is that true?

I don't have a problem if you've got it working on across 4 sticks at 2800mhz.
Doing higher frequencies than that across 4 sticks is hard on the cpu's Internal Memory Controllers. A stable 3200mhz was pretty much up to silicon lottery.
Some users could get it stable by raising VCCSA and VCCIO values, but some of the IMCs couldn't take the extra voltage and died after a few months or so.

After checking again, my kit is rated for 3000MHz C15 (all 4 sticks are the same). Despite this, I still cannot even get 2800MHz. The XMP profile sets the RAM to 2800MHz, but the computer refuses to boot when it is set that high. The normal clock speed it always seems to be getting is around 1533MHz or 2133MHz...

 

[Deleted member 14196]

So the memory controllers might be fried

 

[Phaaze88]

After checking again, my kit is rated for 3000MHz C15 (all 4 sticks are the same). Despite this, I still cannot even get 2800MHz. The XMP profile sets the RAM to 2800MHz, but the computer refuses to boot when it is set that high.

Ok, 3000.
The other part is up to the cpu's IMC. It either needs a little more voltage to get it stable, or it's no longer possible.

The normal clock speed it always seems to be getting is around 1533MHz or 2133MHz...

Hmm, I'm pretty sure that 1533mhz is not the ram frequency, but the F-CLocK/ CCX/ Infinity Fabric speed.
@Mandark Doesn't the IF need to be synced up with the ram frequency at half the speed of the ram, or something like that?

 

[Deleted member 14196]

I thought it was something like that at least I’ll have to look it up But I was pretty sure it should be at least half

Can the OP run CPUz and post screenshots of the memory and speed tab?

 

[flaiR-IV]

I thought it was something like that at least I’ll have to look it up But I was pretty sure it should be at least half

Can the OP run CPUz and post screenshots of the memory and speed tab?

Here is a link to my RAM specifications. If those results are what I think they are, 1066MHz is way off and I'm concerned that they might be fried or something...
CPU-Z Memory
CPU-Z Speed (all 4 RAM sticks show the same results)

 

[Deleted member 14196]

2133/2=1066.5 So it looks like your ram is achieving the 2133 speed in dual data rate

Can you please post each memory slots value. There is a drop-down box you can select for the witch memory stick you want to look at

 

[flaiR-IV]

2133/2=1066.5 So it looks like your ram is achieving the 2133 speed in dual data rate

Can you please post each memory slots value. There is a drop-down box you can select for the witch memory stick you want to look at

Apologies on the past post, thought I had put the link to the speeds picture, but instead relinked my Memory tab. Below are pictures of all 4 slots.
CPU-Z Memory Speeds

 

[Phaaze88]

So you mixed ram - there's 2 different Dram Manufacturers listed in those pics.

 

[flaiR-IV]

So you mixed ram - there's 2 different Dram Manufacturers listed in those pics.

See, I bought the EXACT same RAM. Same Amazon listing, same seller, same packaging and model number. If that small difference is what is causing this issue, then it took a long time for an issue to pop up because I've had this machine with all 4 sticks in for almost two years.

 

[Phaaze88]

See, I bought the EXACT same RAM. Same Amazon listing, same seller, same packaging and model number. If that small difference is what is causing this issue, then it took a long time for an issue to pop up because I've had this machine with all 4 sticks in for almost two years.

Same frequency and timings, sure that increases the compatibility rate, but the kits still hadn't been properly tested - you did the beta testing over the 2 years you had them, just using the PC regularly, no memory-related tests like Memtest86...
In the meantime, those kits could've been throwing out unnoticeable, subtle errors over time, getting worse and worse...


Looking back at the first post:
1)You did mention doing 'slight' overclocks. Were they as aggressive as the ones below?

Pinnacle Ridge	All Core SSE Frequency	All Core AVX2 Frequency	BIOS Vcore	% Capable
2600X	Not Tested	4.10GHz	1.375V	100%
2600X	Not Tested	4.15GHz	1.400V	Top 81%
2600X	Not Tested	4.20GHz	1.425V	Top 56%
2600X	Not Tested	4.25GHz	1.450V	Top 25%

I know you have the 2600 non-X, but Silicon Lottery doesn't have binning results for that model, and the 2600X is just a slightly better bin.

2)There's no mention of the storage drive(s). Are they in good condition?
If you don't have a monitoring tool already, then use Crystal Disk Info. Link: https://crystalmark.info/redirect.php?product=CrystalDiskInfoInstaller

3)I can't rule out the possibility that the OS or some of its files are corrupt. You went 2 years with mixed kits and didn't test for ram errors/stability.

 

[flaiR-IV]

Same frequency and timings, sure that increases the compatibility rate, but the kits still hadn't been properly tested - you did the beta testing over the 2 years you had them, just using the PC regularly, no memory-related tests like Memtest86...
In the meantime, those kits could've been throwing out unnoticeable, subtle errors over time, getting worse and worse...


Looking back at the first post:
1)You did mention doing 'slight' overclocks. Were they as aggressive as the ones below?

Pinnacle Ridge	All Core SSE Frequency	All Core AVX2 Frequency	BIOS Vcore	% Capable
2600X	Not Tested	4.10GHz	1.375V	100%
2600X	Not Tested	4.15GHz	1.400V	Top 81%
2600X	Not Tested	4.20GHz	1.425V	Top 56%
2600X	Not Tested	4.25GHz	1.450V	Top 25%

I know you have the 2600 non-X, but Silicon Lottery doesn't have binning results for that model, and the 2600X is just a slightly better bin.

2)There's no mention of the storage drive(s). Are they in good condition?
If you don't have a monitoring tool already, then use Crystal Disk Info. Link: https://crystalmark.info/redirect.php?product=CrystalDiskInfoInstaller

3)I can't rule out the possibility that the OS or some of its files are corrupt. You went 2 years with mixed kits and didn't test for ram errors/stability.

1: No, I never overclocked mine that intense. The only OC I did on my CPU was the recommended 3.9GHz at 1.350V and it was completely fine. Temps and performance with those settings were always fine (only ever got to 68C once during intense gaming, idle is usually 37-42C, and most gaming sessions bring it to 47-55C). I am also still using the included stock cooler, which has held up shockingly well!

2: I have 5 drives in my system (one M.2, 4 HDD's) and they all perform great. Never had any issues with any of them.

3: I actually just reformatted my PC today and everything is still the same basically.

If it really comes down to the memory being the problem, I might as well buy a new system since the Ryzen 5 2600 isn't as amazing as it used to be and I'd like to get RAM that is 3200MHz.

Before I do that, I will try and run Memtest86 to see if it says anything. I'll report back here tomorrow once I run it overnight and get a few passes.

Thanks for the help thus far everyone.

 

[TerryLaze]

1: No, I never overclocked mine that intense. The only OC I did on my CPU was the recommended 3.9GHz at 1.350V and it was completely fine. Temps and performance with those settings were always fine (only ever got to 68C once during intense gaming, idle is usually 37-42C, and most gaming sessions bring it to 47-55C). I am also still using the included stock cooler, which has held up shockingly well!

Cpu temp is not the only thing to look out for, ryzen boards come with active VRM cooling for a reason, you can easily degrade your mobo if the VRMs get overheated.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLMd-5yxTAc

2: I have 5 drives in my system (one M.2, 4 HDD's) and they all perform great. Never had any issues with any of them.

Even more heat right on the mobo.

 

[Vic 40]

See, I bought the EXACT same RAM.

The cpu-z picture shows one kit using Samsung chips and the other Hynix so not the same.