Vista Beta 1 Activation

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On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 22:54:56 +0100, "antioch"
<r.antiochDUMPTHIS@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>
>Hello to Donald & Kurt
>Are you talking about this 'theft' being committed in the USA or Great
>Britain?
>Rgds
>Antioch
>
>
>> HOW can you have so-called "fair use rights" to a product you stole?
>> Thieves have NO RIGHTS concerning their stolen goods. They only have
>> the "right to remain silent" when arrested for their crimes.
>>
>> I will say it again, "ALL downloaded copies of the Vista Beta (except
>> the copies one can download as an official Microsoft Beta tester, as a
>> member of MSDN, or as an employee of Microsoft in its OS labs) are
>> TOTALLY illegal, since they are ALL stolen goods (taken without
>> Microsoft's permission = STOLEN).
>

Obviously, the US, since I am not a citizen of the UK.
Donald L McDaniel
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Of course it matters which country this alledged offence occurs - different
legislation.
Anyway, I thought the topic was not just downloading software, but
downloading software that a person has no right or permission to download,
or have you complicated your discussion so much that the thread has been
lost?
Antioch



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> antioch wrote:
>> Hello to Donald & Kurt
>> Are you talking about this 'theft' being committed in the USA or Great
>> Britain?
>> Rgds
>> Antioch
>
> I doubt downloading one copy of software is a criminal offense in either
> country.
>
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antioch wrote:
> Of course it matters which country this alledged offence occurs -
> different legislation.

Did I say it doesn't matter? No. I said I doubt that it is a criminal
offense in either country.

If you know that one country criminalizes it, then show us the law,
instead of mischaracterizing what I said.

> Anyway, I thought the topic was not just downloading software, but
> downloading software that a person has no right or permission to
> download, or have you complicated your discussion so much that the
> thread has been lost?

Nope, I figured you were following the thread and understood what was
being discussed. Next time I won't over-estimate your intelligence.

> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
> message news:%23ck7iwYtFHA.3252@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> antioch wrote:
>>> Hello to Donald & Kurt
>>> Are you talking about this 'theft' being committed in the USA or
>>> Great Britain?
>>> Rgds
>>> Antioch
>>
>> I doubt downloading one copy of software is a criminal offense in
>> either country.

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kurttrail wrote:
> > They only have
> > the "right to remain silent" when arrested for their crimes.
>
> It is not a criminal offense. Why is it that it is self-professed
> Christians that are the biggest effin' liars?

haha touché

 

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kurttrail wrote:
> antioch wrote:
> > Of course it matters which country this alledged offence occurs -
> > different legislation.
>
> Did I say it doesn't matter? No. I said I doubt that it is a criminal
> offense in either country.
>
> If you know that one country criminalizes it, then show us the law,
> instead of mischaracterizing what I said.

actually, nothing matters, because, realistically, is anyone in any
country gonna get in trouble for downloading Vista's first beta,
realistically?

 

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CFran wrote:
> kurttrail wrote:
>> antioch wrote:
>>> Of course it matters which country this alledged offence occurs -
>>> different legislation.
>>
>> Did I say it doesn't matter? No. I said I doubt that it is a
>> criminal offense in either country.
>>
>> If you know that one country criminalizes it, then show us the law,
>> instead of mischaracterizing what I said.
>
> actually, nothing matters, because, realistically, is anyone in any
> country gonna get in trouble for downloading Vista's first beta,
> realistically?

Nope. You are more likely to get drugs planted on you by cops and get
arrested than anything happening to you for downloading Anal Fistula
Beta 1.

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>>Hello to Donald & Kurt
>>Are you talking about this 'theft' being committed in the USA or Great
>>Britain?
>>Rgds
>>Antioch

>
> Obviously, the US, since I am not a citizen of the UK.
> Donald L McDaniel
> Please reply in the original thread, so that others
> may be helped and instructed.
>
Hello Donald
Thank you for your 'brief and to the point' reply.
Then I see little point in adding to this thread.
As much as I have tried to comprehend the arguments
put forward, if one clears the mists from it then may I assume that I did at
least understand the point you were making, i.e. if someone obtains property
dishonestly, then that person is stealing that property and stealing IS A
CRIMINAL OFFENCE.
I may well have oversimplified your argument, but that is the way I see it.
Rgds
Antioch

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antioch wrote:
>>> Hello to Donald & Kurt
>>> Are you talking about this 'theft' being committed in the USA or
>>> Great Britain?
>>> Rgds
>>> Antioch
>
>>
>> Obviously, the US, since I am not a citizen of the UK.
>> Donald L McDaniel
>> Please reply in the original thread, so that others
>> may be helped and instructed.
>>
> Hello Donald
> Thank you for your 'brief and to the point' reply.
> Then I see little point in adding to this thread.
> As much as I have tried to comprehend the arguments
> put forward, if one clears the mists from it then may I assume that I
> did at least understand the point you were making, i.e. if someone
> obtains property dishonestly, then that person is stealing that
> property and stealing IS A CRIMINAL OFFENCE.
> I may well have oversimplified your argument, but that is the way I
> see it. Rgds

A simpleton, oversimplying a totally inaccurate argument. Absolutely.

1.) Copyrighted material is NOT property under copyright law. If if
was, then there would be no need to have copyright law.

2.) At most, it is infiringement not stealing, and dowloading one copy
of software without permission would fit the criteria of copyright law
to be a criminal infringement.

3.) It has yet to be found that to download copyrighted material,
without permission, for one's on private non-commericial use, is an
infringement under the law.

4.) There is no law that specifically makes it illegal, and that's why
Donny didn't quote the DMCA, the law he say makes it illegal.

The above is an accurate reflection of the laws of the US.

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>>Hello to Donald & Kurt
>>Are you talking about this 'theft' being committed in the USA or Great
>>Britain?
>>Rgds
>>Antioch

>
> Obviously, the US, since I am not a citizen of the UK.
> Donald L McDaniel
> Please reply in the original thread, so that others
> may be helped and instructed.
>
Hello Donald
Thank you for your 'brief and to the point' reply.
Then I see little point in adding to this thread.
As much as I have tried to comprehend the arguments
put forward, if one clears the mists from it then may I assume that I did at
least understand the point you were making, i.e. if someone obtains property
dishonestly, then that person is stealing that property and stealing IS A
CRIMINAL OFFENCE.
I may well have oversimplified your argument, but that is the way I see it.
Rgds
Antioch

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>>>
>>> Obviously, the US, since I am not a citizen of the UK.
>>> Donald L McDaniel
>>>
>> Hello Donald
>> Thank you for your 'brief and to the point' reply.
>> Then I see little point in adding to this thread.
>> As much as I have tried to comprehend the arguments
>> put forward, if one clears the mists from it then may I assume that I
>> did at least understand the point you were making, i.e. if someone
>> obtains property dishonestly, then that person is stealing that
>> property and stealing IS A CRIMINAL OFFENCE.
>> I may well have oversimplified your argument, but that is the way I
>> see it. Rgds
>
> A simpleton, oversimplying a totally inaccurate argument. Absolutely.

Reply:
Why is that people who know when they are losing an argument resort to
personal insults? It probably takes a simpleton to recognize one.

> The above is an accurate reflection of the laws of the US.

According to the opinions of a self-anointed moderator! That really
impresses me. Or do you mean 'appointed'. I can visualize you covered in
oil. What type of oil do you use I wonder.
May I ask, from where did you got 'mischaracterizing'.
I tried to find this word to see what it meant.
Rgds
Antioch

 

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Kurt wrote:
>> A simpleton, oversimplying a totally inaccurate argument. Absolutely.

antioch wrote:
> Why is that people who know when they are losing an argument resort to
> personal insults? It probably takes a simpleton to recognize one.

Kurt wrote:
>> The above is an accurate reflection of the laws of the US.


antioch wrote:
> According to the opinions of a self-anointed moderator! That really
> impresses me. Or do you mean 'appointed'. I can visualize you
> covered in oil. What type of oil do you use I wonder.
> May I ask, from where did you got 'mischaracterizing'.
> I tried to find this word to see what it meant.

antioch,

Not to put too fine of a point on it - but is it not bad form to accuse your
opponent of something and then blatantly turn around and do the exact same
thing? And the whole "oil-covered" thing.. Really - how far can we deviate
from whatever it is you are speaking of in a single thread? hah

Also - and the only reason I am involved here - there was a question
asked...

antioch asked, "May I ask, from where did you got 'mischaracterizing'?"
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=mischaracterizing

As you can see, that is indeed (barring the "ing" which would be proper in
this case) a word that would mean...
'Badly, wrongly or unfavorably characterized.'

Glad to help out. Carry on with whatever it is you are carrying on about.
*smile*

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antioch wrote:
>>>> Obviously, the US, since I am not a citizen of the UK.
>>>> Donald L McDaniel
>>>>
>>> Hello Donald
>>> Thank you for your 'brief and to the point' reply.
>>> Then I see little point in adding to this thread.
>>> As much as I have tried to comprehend the arguments
>>> put forward, if one clears the mists from it then may I assume that
>>> I did at least understand the point you were making, i.e. if someone
>>> obtains property dishonestly, then that person is stealing that
>>> property and stealing IS A CRIMINAL OFFENCE.
>>> I may well have oversimplified your argument, but that is the way I
>>> see it. Rgds
>>
>> A simpleton, oversimplying a totally inaccurate argument. Absolutely.
>
> Reply:
> Why is that people who know when they are losing an argument resort to
> personal insults?

It is quite obvious that I didn't lose the argument. You whining about
the section of the post you felt insulted you, and have totally cut out
ALL argument that was on topic.

> It probably takes a simpleton to recognize one.

How many of your braincells had to die in order to come up with lame
retort?

>
>> The above is an accurate reflection of the laws of the US.
>
> According to the opinions of a self-anointed moderator! That really
> impresses me. Or do you mean 'appointed'.

Nope.

> I can visualize you
> covered in oil. What type of oil do you use I wonder.

Actually the anointed bit is a little self-deprecating masturbatory
humor.

> May I ask, from where did you got 'mischaracterizing'.

LOL! The dictionary.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=mischaracterizing&db=*

> I tried to find this word to see what it meant.

PMSL! You won't find it where your head is. Up your ass, that is.

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