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Well then, you must have left out the parts that contadict your argument.

Under the DMCA, companies must provide some sort of content protection so that content cannot be duplicated. This means that if the OS allows users to bypass such content protection, then the OS is in violation of the Act.

Like I said, you can whine about MS's implementation all you wish, but that doesn't change the fact that MS had to comply with the DMCA.
 
Well then, you must have left out the parts that contadict your argument.

Under the DMCA, companies must provide some sort of content protection so that content cannot be duplicated. This means that if the OS allows users to bypass such content protection, then the OS is in violation of the Act.

Like I said, you can whine about MS's implementation all you wish, but that doesn't change the fact that MS had to comply with the DMCA.

First, I don't see the quote from the DMCA. Second, since the HDCP is controlled by, and the responsibility of, those that wish to protect their content it is not the responsibility of M$. All M$ had to do is say we are not going to participate and we will not be playing any of your encrypted content. As long as Vista would not decrypt the content M$ is not responsible. Therefore third party software would be needed. You are wrong. M$ made a conscious decision that they wanted to provide/control the HDCP delivery. Get it?
 
I have to say that the DRM aspects of Vista make me wary. Once upon a time I switched from a Mac to Windows. Hell it was 10 years ago. Would this be enough to make people want to switch back?

Martin Tibbitts

Vista is enough for me walk from M$; I loaded openSUSE and my next notebook will be a Mac as each OS has its purpose; incompatibilities with hardware and software choice is M$ Vista; happy to have things that just work such as Mac OS X.
 
Don't get me wrong, the DMCA is a bunch of BS. It is completely asinine. But M$'s hands are dirty, and they are screwing all of us just to gain control of the HDCP distribution channel. Like Apple and Itunes. Also HDCP has already been hacked, and, whether it was or not, it wouldn't stop the real pirates from Asia and Russia etc. Pirated HD-DVDs will still be produced by the millions.
 
I have to say that the DRM aspects of Vista make me wary. Once upon a time I switched from a Mac to Windows. Hell it was 10 years ago. Would this be enough to make people want to switch back?

Martin Tibbitts

Vista is enough for me walk from M$; I loaded openSUSE and my next notebook will be a Mac as each OS has its purpose; incompatibilities with hardware and software choice is M$ Vista; happy to have things that just work such as Mac OS X.

Hopefully M$ won't achieve one of their side goals, which is to destroy any hardware and driver support for Linux.
 
Well then, you must have left out the parts that contadict your argument.

Under the DMCA, companies must provide some sort of content protection so that content cannot be duplicated. This means that if the OS allows users to bypass such content protection, then the OS is in violation of the Act.

Like I said, you can whine about MS's implementation all you wish, but that doesn't change the fact that MS had to comply with the DMCA.

First, I don't see the quote from the DMCA. Second, since the HDCP is controlled by, and the responsibility of, those that wish to protect their content it is not the responsibility of M$. All M$ had to do is say we are not going to participate and we will not be playing any of your encrypted content. As long as Vista would not decrypt the content M$ is not responsible. Therefore third party software would be needed. You are wrong. M$ made a conscious decision that they wanted to provide/control the HDCP delivery. Get it?

I also can not find anything in DMCA that requires MS to use HDCP. At the same time I am more or less sure that it is illegal to make HD-DVD or Blu-Ray players that can remove the HDCP out of the signal and send it through, say, HDMI interface.

I am not sure exactly what prevents player manufacturers from doing this, but it is quite possible the license for HD-DVD/Blu-Ray itself.

If this is the case, it is indeed not easy to argue that MS has to go to such much DRM nightmare. I do not think that MS have to license HD-DVD or Blu-Ray for Vista at all. But, it has to license it for Media Player if it to play HD-DVD or Blu-Ray discs in future, and thus the player has to be subject to the restrictions.

However, if somebody else want to provide an alternative software player that can remove HDCP from HD signal, then I am not sure if it is MS responsibility to prevent that. But it may depend on the HD licenses, and whether Media Player is "internal part" of the Vista. We really need somebody with law degree to understand all that.

As a side joke: may be MS decided to try to implement DRM in such nightmarish way that it will be easy to argue that it can not be done, and thus drop it all together in future :)
 
Well then, you must have left out the parts that contadict your argument.

Under the DMCA, companies must provide some sort of content protection so that content cannot be duplicated. This means that if the OS allows users to bypass such content protection, then the OS is in violation of the Act.

Like I said, you can whine about MS's implementation all you wish, but that doesn't change the fact that MS had to comply with the DMCA.

First, I don't see the quote from the DMCA. Second, since the HDCP is controlled by, and the responsibility of, those that wish to protect their content it is not the responsibility of M$. All M$ had to do is say we are not going to participate and we will not be playing any of your encrypted content. As long as Vista would not decrypt the content M$ is not responsible. Therefore third party software would be needed. You are wrong. M$ made a conscious decision that they wanted to provide/control the HDCP delivery. Get it?

I also can not find anything in DMCA that requires MS to use HDCP. At the same time I am more or less sure that it is illegal to make HD-DVD or Blu-Ray players that can remove the HDCP out of the signal and send it through, say, HDMI interface.

I am not sure exactly what prevents player manufacturers from doing this, but it is quite possible the license for HD-DVD/Blu-Ray itself.

If this is the case, it is indeed not easy to argue that MS has to go to such much DRM nightmare. I do not think that MS have to license HD-DVD or Blu-Ray for Vista at all. But, it has to license it for Media Player if it to play HD-DVD or Blu-Ray discs in future, and thus the player has to be subject to the restrictions.

However, if somebody else want to provide an alternative software player that can remove HDCP from HD signal, then I am not sure if it is MS responsibility to prevent that. But it may depend on the HD licenses, and whether Media Player is "internal part" of the Vista. We really need somebody with law degree to understand all that.

As a side joke: may be MS decided to try to implement DRM in such nightmarish way that it will be easy to argue that it can not be done, and thus drop it all together in future :)

I'm pretty sure that M$ doesn't want to fail at HDCP. They certainly didn't need to be pulled into it kicking and screaming though. M$ has virtually all of the OS market and they certainly didn't need to buckle under to Hollywood. They chose to participate, it is in their best interest, just not the computer industries or users (our) interest.
 
Can anyone explain, how being HDCP complaint is beneficial to MS other than protecting itself from possible suits?

Another thing, would it be better if we had a SINGLE copyright protection technology as oppose to multiple different ones.

The content owners will want to sell their content with some kind of DRM anyway. But look what happens when there is no unified DRM.

I have iTunes, but the songs that I buy through iTunes Store can be played only either by apple software or by iPod. This is such significant limitation for me, that I am trying NOT to buy songs from iTunes Store.

I just want to have different situation with HD movies. If I buy from one online store, I should be able to play it on ANY player device! So having single standard is very beneficial for me.
 
Can anyone explain, how being HDCP complaint is beneficial to MS other than protecting them self from possible suits?

Another thing, would it be better if we had a SINGLE copyright protection technology as oppose to multiple different ones.

The content owners will want to sell their content with some kind of DRM anyway. But look what happens when there is no unified DRM.

I have iTunes, but the songs that I buy through iTunes Store can be played only either by apple software or by iPod. This is such significant limitation for me, that I am trying NOT to buy songs from iTunes Store.

I just want to have different situation with HD movies. If I buy from one online store, I should be able to play it on ANY player device! So having single standard is very beneficial for me.

That's what Apple wants. You want to play their songs, you buy their player. I'm not up on the whole HDCP specifics but, I think HD-DVD and BlueRay each have their own DRM scheme. The benefits to M$ are detailed in the article and the audio interview. It allows M$ to lock down the computer and gain greater control over hardware and drivers. Also to make it harder for the Graphics card manufacturers to support open operating systems e.g., Linux and it's spin-offs. It is all in the links in my signature. I know that you think it is all BS because it contradicts the two paragraphs in the M$ EULA. I'm not attacking you when I say don't be so naive. All of the information is in that article, some is speculation but most is fact. Gutmann is well respected not some lunatic. In the interview with Laporte he was questioned about changing the phrasing of some of his comments to protect M$ insiders that he got some of his information from and he confirmed that fact. So not only did some of the information, contained in the article, come from concerned M$ employees, the balance came from M$ own documents. These documents are significantly more in depth than the EULA that you hang onto so tight. The article is also well footnoted so that you can check what he is saying.
 
I have to say that the DRM aspects of Vista make me wary. Once upon a time I switched from a Mac to Windows. Hell it was 10 years ago. Would this be enough to make people want to switch back?

Martin Tibbitts

Vista is enough for me walk from M$; I loaded openSUSE and my next notebook will be a Mac as each OS has its purpose; incompatibilities with hardware and software choice is M$ Vista; happy to have things that just work such as Mac OS X.

Hopefully M$ won't achieve one of their side goals, which is to destroy any hardware and driver support for Linux.

I most certainly hope M$ doe not destroy any hardware and driver support for Linux. I do no know what to do; seems fruitless with all these "its just the way it is" attitude. M$ wants to be another Apple but much bigger... well anyway I'd rather be on the other side with Apple instead of being with M$. At least Apple is innovated

I will hate the day I need Vista and hope that day will not show. Maybe M$ will lighten up if enough people DO NOT BUY VISTA
 
What interests me if you had listened to the interview, aside from the shutting down of hardware, since every vista system now has all of the copyright protection crap built into it, every single system is weighed down by the extra processes. Vista checks your hardware 30 times a second to make sure it's "valid". This may seem like a good idea in a copyright protection sense, but what about the people who don't use their pc as a tv? All of these people now have a system that wastes time and resources checking on things they don't "need" to be checked.

And whose fault is this ? You will say Microsofts however I will definitely counter that it is the fault of those that have forced IP owners of copyrighted materials to mandate legislation requiring DRM. It's that simple. As a photographer I saw this coming in 1998 when a couple took their wedding photographs that I had created and scanned them using a high quality scanner. They subsequently posted them to the internet allowing all of the family members to download and print the digital images thereby violating my copyrights. Yep. I got screwed. The good thing is that I also have thier negatives and all they will ever have is a bunch of 4X5's. Unlike RIAA and so forth I don't have the time or money to take copyright violaters to court. However if I did I assure you I would.
 
So far, according to the license and official interview I see only reasonable attempt to comply to law and regulations. In all honesty, I can't blame MS for that!

So that's what I'm missing. You must be kidding. Could you give me a little more to work with.
My I ask you instead to indicate what unreasonable staff they are doing in compliance to regulations? It is easier to do that then for me to list everything that they did and prove that it is reasonable.

I am open minded, and initially I was flaming about DRM staff in Vista. But that's because I have read couple runt articles. After that I have decided to try to find the truth myself and read the license, instead of opinions of people about it. And it changed my mind. So you can change my mind again.

The DRM got my attention then I read the EULA... I came out with the complete opposite opinion as you. After learning more about the potential of M$ having total control of the PC, hardware and software, and the lost of privacy in the EULA, it's a much safer bet to inform others of the possible negative outcome of a successful Vista. At the very least wait it out for a couple of years before buying. In the mean time use Linux… that should get M$ attention IMO.
 
What interests me if you had listened to the interview, aside from the shutting down of hardware, since every vista system now has all of the copyright protection crap built into it, every single system is weighed down by the extra processes. Vista checks your hardware 30 times a second to make sure it's "valid". This may seem like a good idea in a copyright protection sense, but what about the people who don't use their pc as a tv? All of these people now have a system that wastes time and resources checking on things they don't "need" to be checked.

And whose fault is this ? You will say Microsofts however I will definitely counter that it is the fault of those that have forced IP owners of copyrighted materials to mandate legislation requiring DRM. It's that simple. As a photographer I saw this coming in 1998 when a couple took their wedding photographs that I had created and scanned them using a high quality scanner. They subsequently posted them to the internet allowing all of the family members to download and print the digital images thereby violating my copyrights. Yep. I got screwed. The good thing is that I also have thier negatives and all they will ever have is a bunch of 4X5's. Unlike RIAA and so forth I don't have the time or money to take copyright violaters to court. However if I did I assure you I would.

I now understand why you are so pissed off. If I was you I would have sued them for violating your agreement and stealing from you. It, unfortunately, doesn't change the situation in which M$ has put us. I will say again that M$ was not forced to put HDCP into Vista by any DRM regulations. They chose to for several reasons and none of them was with the end user, or health of the computer industry, in mind.
 
Can anyone explain, how being HDCP complaint is beneficial to MS other than protecting them self from possible suits?

Another thing, would it be better if we had a SINGLE copyright protection technology as oppose to multiple different ones.

The content owners will want to sell their content with some kind of DRM anyway. But look what happens when there is no unified DRM.

I have iTunes, but the songs that I buy through iTunes Store can be played only either by apple software or by iPod. This is such significant limitation for me, that I am trying NOT to buy songs from iTunes Store.

I just want to have different situation with HD movies. If I buy from one online store, I should be able to play it on ANY player device! So having single standard is very beneficial for me.

That's what Apple wants. You want to play their songs, you buy their player.

May be Apple does want that, but right now there is simply no way for a company to sell online music which has secure DMR and be compatible with all sorts of hardware and software players. Because there is no standard!

With CD music there is standard - you buy any CD and it plays anywhere. Same with DVD. But not with online downloads, because this standard is currently missing.

I'm not up on the whole HDCP specifics but, I think HD-DVD and BluRay each have their own DRM scheme.
If it is true, that's unfortunate, and I hope only single format remains.
However, I do not care much about HD-DVD vs BluRay staff. I think it is too late for them to be major distributors of the content. I am not planning to buy any of them (well only may be as recorder for my computer, but only as digital recording device, not a media recording device)
The next mass distribution of media is internet, and that's where it is important to have single format. Important for us, users!
The benefits to M$ are detailed in the article and the audio interview. It allows M$ to lock down the computer and gain greater control over hardware and drivers.
And how does this translate to $$? All I see is extra work for MS, they have to "control" it, i.e. test it, etc. Though it will be directly or indirectly payed by us, consumer, but I do not see the reason for MS to do DRM for this in mind. I do not see big revenue stream here!
Also to make it harder for the Graphics card manufacturers to support open operating systems e.g., Linux and it's spin-offs.
Do you really think this is why MS is putting all that DRM staff into Vista? Somehow I doubt it.
I know that you think it is all BS because it contradicts the two paragraphs in the M$ EULA.
What you have listed does not contradict EULA, but it can not be the reason of why MS is doing it. So may I ask again WHY does MS put DRM into Vista? Where is the money?
 
I am open minded, and initially I was flaming about DRM staff in Vista. But that's because I have read couple runt articles. After that I have decided to try to find the truth myself and read the license, instead of opinions of people about it. And it changed my mind. So you can change my mind again.

The DRM got my attention then I read the EULA... I came out with the complete opposite opinion as you. After learning more about the potential of M$ having total control of the PC, hardware and software, and the lost of privacy in the EULA, it's a much safer bet to inform others of the possible negative outcome of a successful Vista.

MS always had total control of you PC, at least if you install sequrity updates. MS always could put anything into them which would activate itself on some specific date. The thing is that we are not talking here about potential, but what can be done by MS withing EULA. For example they can not "shut down" you driver or any piece of hardware, they will just make it unable to show protected content, but other content and functionality should be unaffected according to EULA. Also, though it is not related to DRM where do you see the loss of privacy? The ONLY information you are required to send is a hardware key, which is not used, according to EULA to identify the user. Again, potentially they can use it to identify you (may be), but it is against EULA.
 
Can anyone explain, how being HDCP complaint is beneficial to MS other than protecting them self from possible suits?

Another thing, would it be better if we had a SINGLE copyright protection technology as oppose to multiple different ones.

The content owners will want to sell their content with some kind of DRM anyway. But look what happens when there is no unified DRM.

I have iTunes, but the songs that I buy through iTunes Store can be played only either by apple software or by iPod. This is such significant limitation for me, that I am trying NOT to buy songs from iTunes Store.

I just want to have different situation with HD movies. If I buy from one online store, I should be able to play it on ANY player device! So having single standard is very beneficial for me.

That's what Apple wants. You want to play their songs, you buy their player.

May be Apple does want that, but right now there is simply no way for a company to sell online music which has secure DMR and be compatible with all sorts of hardware and software players. Because there is no standard!

With CD music there is standard - you buy any CD and it plays anywhere. Same with DVD. But not with online downloads, because this standard is currently missing.

I'm not up on the whole HDCP specifics but, I think HD-DVD and BluRay each have their own DRM scheme.
If it is true, that's unfortunate, and I hope only single format remains.
However, I do not care much about HD-DVD vs BluRay staff. I think it is too late for them to be major distributors of the content. I am not planning to buy any of them (well only may be as recorder for my computer, but only as digital recording device, not a media recording device)
The next mass distribution of media is internet, and that's where it is important to have single format. Important for us, users!
The benefits to M$ are detailed in the article and the audio interview. It allows M$ to lock down the computer and gain greater control over hardware and drivers.
And how does this translate to $$? All I see is extra work for MS, they have to "control" it, i.e. test it, etc. Though it will be directly or indirectly payed by us, consumer, but I do not see the reason for MS to do DRM for this in mind. I do not see big revenue stream here!
Also to make it harder for the Graphics card manufacturers to support open operating systems e.g., Linux and it's spin-offs.
Do you really think this is why MS is putting all that DRM staff into Vista? Somehow I doubt it.
I know that you think it is all BS because it contradicts the two paragraphs in the M$ EULA.
What you have listed does not contradict EULA, but it can not be the reason of why MS is doing it. So may I ask again WHY does MS put DRM into Vista? Where is the money?

This quote is taken from the final thoughts of the article. I didn't want to post parts of the article but I guess it's the only way to answer your question.
Link to source: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html
[Begin Excerpt]
At the end of all this, the question remains: Why is Microsoft going to this much trouble? Ask most people what they picture when you use the term “premium-content media player” and they'll respond with “A PVR” or “A DVD player” and not “A Windows PC”. So why go to this much effort to try and turn the PC into something that it's not?

In July 2006, Cory Doctorow published an analysis of the anti-competitive nature of Apple's iTunes copy-restriction system which looked at the benefits of restrictive DRM for the company that controls the DRM. The only reason I can imagine why Microsoft would put its programmers, device vendors, third-party developers, and ultimately its customers, through this much pain is because once this copy protection is entrenched, Microsoft will completely own the distribution channel. In the same way that Apple has managed to acquire a monopolistic lock-in on their music distribution channel (an example being the Motorola ROKR fiasco, which was so crippled by restrictions that a Fortune magazine senior editor reviewed it as the STNKER), so Microsoft will totally control the premium-content distribution channel. In fact examples of this Windows content lock-in are already becoming apparent as people move to Vista and find that their legally-purchased content won't play any more under Vista (the example given in the link is particularly scary because the content actually includes a self-destruct after which it won't play any more, so not only do you need to re-purchase your content when you switch from XP to Vista, but you also need to re-purchase it periodically when it expires. In addition and since the media rights can't be backed up, if you experience a disk crash you get another opportunity to re- purchase the content then). It's obvious why this type of business model makes the pain of pushing content protection onto consumers so worthwhile for Microsoft since it practically constitutes a license to print money.

So not only will Microsoft be able to lock out any competitors, but because they will then represent the only available distribution channel they'll be able to dictate terms back to the content providers whose needs they are nominally serving in the same way that Apple has already dictated terms back to the music industry: Play by Apple's rules, or we won't carry your content. And as the example above shows, they'll also be able to dictate terms to consumers in order to ensure a continual revenue flow. The result will be a technologically enforced monopoly that makes their current de-facto Windows monopoly seem like a velvet glove in comparison [Note K]. [End Excerpt]

This is how they will make their money, and why they are "helping Hollywood".
 
This quote is taken from the final thoughts of the article. I didn't want to post parts of the article but I guess it's the only way to answer your question.
Link to source: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html
[Begin Excerpt]
....

In July 2006, Cory Doctorow published an analysis of the anti-competitive nature of Apple's iTunes copy-restriction system which looked at the benefits of restrictive DRM for the company that controls the DRM. The only reason I can imagine why Microsoft would put its programmers, device vendors, third-party developers, and ultimately its customers, through this much pain is because once this copy protection is entrenched, Microsoft will completely own the distribution channel. In the same way that Apple has managed to acquire a monopolistic lock-in on their music distribution channel ... so Microsoft will totally control the premium-content distribution channel.
....
[End Excerpt]

This is how they will make their money, and why they are "helping Hollywood".

I am sorry, but I do not understand it. If you want to lock customer, then you create PROPRIETARY encoding, and sell the media with this encoding, and not adopting the INDUSTRY STANDARD. What do I miss here? Supposedly, the Blu Ray produced by Sony should be able to be played by Vista - this is not locking the customer. Locking the customer would be if MS stated in EULA that "The only kind of premium content that can be played under Vista is the one that is encoded by proprietary Microsoft encoder." But of cause this is not the case. So I do not understand this explanation at all.
 
Can anyone explain, how being HDCP complaint is beneficial to MS other than protecting them self from possible suits?

Another thing, would it be better if we had a SINGLE copyright protection technology as oppose to multiple different ones.

The content owners will want to sell their content with some kind of DRM anyway. But look what happens when there is no unified DRM.

I have iTunes, but the songs that I buy through iTunes Store can be played only either by apple software or by iPod. This is such significant limitation for me, that I am trying NOT to buy songs from iTunes Store.

I just want to have different situation with HD movies. If I buy from one online store, I should be able to play it on ANY player device! So having single standard is very beneficial for me.

That's what Apple wants. You want to play their songs, you buy their player.

May be Apple does want that, but right now there is simply no way for a company to sell online music which has secure DMR and be compatible with all sorts of hardware and software players. Because there is no standard!

With CD music there is standard - you buy any CD and it plays anywhere. Same with DVD. But not with online downloads, because this standard is currently missing.

I'm not up on the whole HDCP specifics but, I think HD-DVD and BluRay each have their own DRM scheme.
If it is true, that's unfortunate, and I hope only single format remains.
However, I do not care much about HD-DVD vs BluRay staff. I think it is too late for them to be major distributors of the content. I am not planning to buy any of them (well only may be as recorder for my computer, but only as digital recording device, not a media recording device)
The next mass distribution of media is internet, and that's where it is important to have single format. Important for us, users!
The benefits to M$ are detailed in the article and the audio interview. It allows M$ to lock down the computer and gain greater control over hardware and drivers.
And how does this translate to $$? All I see is extra work for MS, they have to "control" it, i.e. test it, etc. Though it will be directly or indirectly payed by us, consumer, but I do not see the reason for MS to do DRM for this in mind. I do not see big revenue stream here!
Also to make it harder for the Graphics card manufacturers to support open operating systems e.g., Linux and it's spin-offs.
Do you really think this is why MS is putting all that DRM staff into Vista? Somehow I doubt it.
I know that you think it is all BS because it contradicts the two paragraphs in the M$ EULA.
What you have listed does not contradict EULA, but it can not be the reason of why MS is doing it. So may I ask again WHY does MS put DRM into Vista? Where is the money?

This quote is taken from the final thoughts of the article. I didn't want to post parts of the article but I guess it's the only way to answer your question.
Link to source: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html
[Begin Excerpt]
At the end of all this, the question remains: Why is Microsoft going to this much trouble? Ask most people what they picture when you use the term “premium-content media player” and they'll respond with “A PVR” or “A DVD player” and not “A Windows PC”. So why go to this much effort to try and turn the PC into something that it's not?

In July 2006, Cory Doctorow published an analysis of the anti-competitive nature of Apple's iTunes copy-restriction system which looked at the benefits of restrictive DRM for the company that controls the DRM. The only reason I can imagine why Microsoft would put its programmers, device vendors, third-party developers, and ultimately its customers, through this much pain is because once this copy protection is entrenched, Microsoft will completely own the distribution channel. In the same way that Apple has managed to acquire a monopolistic lock-in on their music distribution channel (an example being the Motorola ROKR fiasco, which was so crippled by restrictions that a Fortune magazine senior editor reviewed it as the STNKER), so Microsoft will totally control the premium-content distribution channel. In fact examples of this Windows content lock-in are already becoming apparent as people move to Vista and find that their legally-purchased content won't play any more under Vista (the example given in the link is particularly scary because the content actually includes a self-destruct after which it won't play any more, so not only do you need to re-purchase your content when you switch from XP to Vista, but you also need to re-purchase it periodically when it expires. In addition and since the media rights can't be backed up, if you experience a disk crash you get another opportunity to re- purchase the content then). It's obvious why this type of business model makes the pain of pushing content protection onto consumers so worthwhile for Microsoft since it practically constitutes a license to print money.

So not only will Microsoft be able to lock out any competitors, but because they will then represent the only available distribution channel they'll be able to dictate terms back to the content providers whose needs they are nominally serving in the same way that Apple has already dictated terms back to the music industry: Play by Apple's rules, or we won't carry your content. And as the example above shows, they'll also be able to dictate terms to consumers in order to ensure a continual revenue flow. The result will be a technologically enforced monopoly that makes their current de-facto Windows monopoly seem like a velvet glove in comparison [Note K]. [End Excerpt]

This is how they will make their money, and why they are "helping Hollywood".

Sad isn't.

I know this isn't the stock market, but in the stock market pigs get slaughtered, I see M$ greed as the beginning of their end. M$ could of choose a different avenue IMO.

I have already moved on to two of M$'s competitors, others will do the same.
 
This quote is taken from the final thoughts of the article. I didn't want to post parts of the article but I guess it's the only way to answer your question.
Link to source: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html
[Begin Excerpt]
....

In July 2006, Cory Doctorow published an analysis of the anti-competitive nature of Apple's iTunes copy-restriction system which looked at the benefits of restrictive DRM for the company that controls the DRM. The only reason I can imagine why Microsoft would put its programmers, device vendors, third-party developers, and ultimately its customers, through this much pain is because once this copy protection is entrenched, Microsoft will completely own the distribution channel. In the same way that Apple has managed to acquire a monopolistic lock-in on their music distribution channel ... so Microsoft will totally control the premium-content distribution channel.
....
[End Excerpt]

This is how they will make their money, and why they are "helping Hollywood".

I am sorry, but I do not understand it. If you want to lock customer, then you create PROPRIETARY encoding, and sell the media with this encoding, and not adopting the INDUSTRY STANDARD. What do I miss here? Supposedly, the Blu Ray produced by Sony should be able to be played by Vista - this is not locking the customer. Locking the customer would be if MS stated in EULA that "The only kind of premium content that can be played under Vista is the one that is encoded by proprietary Microsoft encoder." But of cause this is not the case. So I do not understand this explanation at all.

If this is not painfully clear to you, then I guess you will never understand. I can't rephrase it in any clearer terms.
 
What interests me if you had listened to the interview, aside from the shutting down of hardware, since every vista system now has all of the copyright protection crap built into it, every single system is weighed down by the extra processes. Vista checks your hardware 30 times a second to make sure it's "valid". This may seem like a good idea in a copyright protection sense, but what about the people who don't use their pc as a tv? All of these people now have a system that wastes time and resources checking on things they don't "need" to be checked.

And whose fault is this ? You will say Microsofts however I will definitely counter that it is the fault of those that have forced IP owners of copyrighted materials to mandate legislation requiring DRM. It's that simple. As a photographer I saw this coming in 1998 when a couple took their wedding photographs that I had created and scanned them using a high quality scanner. They subsequently posted them to the internet allowing all of the family members to download and print the digital images thereby violating my copyrights. Yep. I got screwed. The good thing is that I also have thier negatives and all they will ever have is a bunch of 4X5's. Unlike RIAA and so forth I don't have the time or money to take copyright violaters to court. However if I did I assure you I would.

Disturbing, if I was in your shoes I'd feel not only robbed but violated. Artists, writers, movie produces... everyone who works hard expects to be paid for the content produced. People seem to have lost common sense and ethics’ for a buck...

I'm started to think the government is behind the DRM M$ put in Vista. Starting to see a trend where even clothes designers what the government to protect their property and rightfully so I guess. What a mess...

Old news but Apple is in a pickle with Hollywood.
 
If this is not painfully clear to you, then I guess you will never understand. I can't rephrase it in any clearer terms.

Are you saying it is "painfully clear to you"? Then please explain. There should be no problem for you to explain to me, if it is that clear. I mean I am not an idiot, and I was quite capable to understand things to get my Ph.D. in physics, so I should be able to understand "painfully clear" thing.

So, what will force me, as a user, to buy premium content from MS, and not, for example, from Sony? Even if DRM is implemented as it should be according to what we know about it in Vista? Should Vista play Blu Rays manufactured by Sony as well as whatever premium content MS will be trying to sell? Or how can MS control Sony distribution channel?
 
I give up

Frustrating isn't... now don't go out and spend $399 on Vista just yet! My wife informed me yesterday that she does NOT want a Mac, but to continue with M$... at least she said to keep XP as long as possible. She wants our daughter to have the same tools as the majority of users. Linux is fine but... Understandable

I have grown fond of hating Vista. Hopefully Vista will fadeout like 'Mistake Edition' and M$ will produce a super snappy, streamlined, configure as you wish OS we all want.
 
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