Restating my point is all I can do when people are clearly reluctant to accept facts and proof.
That’s just your opinion, I posted a full review as proof, too bad that that hardly qualifies as cherry picking. If I wanted to cherry pick I would post those games where it’s 30% faster than 12900KS.
Math isn’t about opinion, math is a fact. We aren’t talking about religion or politics here.
Doesn’t make much sense, since it’s the best gaming CPU, but you can recommend whatever you want of course. As you maybe saw in other threads, I sometimes recommended intel CPUs as well, so there’s no bias on my side. The OP asked which system is better and I said the 5800X3D is, and that’s it.
Its "better" for people who like to tinker and when OCed its much more, comparatively, than 1 or 2 fps better. I believe the 12700k is about 5-15% better in all-core workloads than the more power limited 12700f. This is usually how I differentiate between them in recommendations. I have no qualms recommending a 12700 / f and an MSI b660 ATX board in the same build if the OP tells us he has no interest in tinkering with OC or has no use cases for the extra multi-core performance and is only interested in gaming.
Specifically, you said the 5800X3D system was better for a system intending FOR VR GAMING AND 1440P GAMING. That is the distinction that most people have been basically trying to state. The 5800X3D is not significantly better at 1440p and for VR which is an even higher resolution to drive. At those resolutions its the same as all other CPUs of the same performance tier, for example the 12700f and up. The 5800X3D is also significantly more expensive than the alternative Intel CPUs for the OPs intended use case.
As time progresses faster CPUs always pay off, 1440p is already like the new 1080p for GPUs like 3090 or 3080, and with 4000 gen or 7000 gen of AMD this will be even more true. So, I don’t see your point. More CPU power = better. And even if there isn’t any “significant” difference now, I don’t see your point, again, it’s still clearly faster. End of story. OP asked which system is better and I gave a answer to that. A factual answer, there’s no need to debate it.
This is my recommendation for a 1440p / VR gaming build considering your input;
Wrong. In a big way. IPC stands for Instructions Per Clock cycle. With 2 cpus at the same Hz, the cpu with higher IPC will do more work over the same time period. That's balanced by cpus at different Hz. A 12900k at 5.0GHz will do more work than a 5800x3D at 4.0GHz, even though the Ryzen might have higher IPC, it's not enough to compensate.
Wrong again. There's a very large section of ppl, especially gamers who 'tinker' a lot with cpus, but instead of overclocking, they are undervolting, which is essentially the same thing except for the use of the multiplier. Can't even say Ryzen owners 'tinker' more, in fact it's Intel owners who tinker the most, trying to pull down Intels huge power draw, just to keep temps in check.
But this is what everyone is trying to tell you. It isn't. It's only the best, by a small margin, in a few games, most others it hits roughly between the 5800x and 12900k and there are a few where it's actually worse. Which for its asking price, is terrible value.
I personally got a 5800X3D as an upgrade to my 3900x. I realized over the years I owned it I hardly used its extra cores as regularly as I thought I would. With my use cases, primarily gaming, I have seen massive benefits. At its worst the 5800X3D is never worse than the 3900x for games that I have seen. I also wanted the penultimate CPU for the AM4 socket for my primary use case because I typically keep my computers for 6-8 years with a graphics card upgrade 2x as often or so. Im my specific circumstance I deemed it worth the cost of the CPU. Many even in my circumstance would not do the same even though this circumstance is one of the best reasons to grab a 5800X3D.
Oh but it absolutely is, depending on which games you play of course. In most games it’s clearly better and in some games it demolishes the 12900K and that despite them not being even competitive price wise. The real competitor is the 12700K and has no chance against 5800X3D. I had enough of this discussion, so it will be my final answer, believe whatever you want. Intel fans will never accept it, hopefully 7000 gen will completely demolish Intel again, especially after their recent nonsense again with EU law court rules overturnings, it’s pretty obvious that Intel is not interested in being a lawful company and they will do anything they can do destroy competition and user choice.
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