Want a Penryn processor crack open an apple!

[MU_Engineer]

Wait I've only ever seen one post from this guy, what makes you think she knows him?

I don't think she knows him, so we're all still wondering who she was talking about.

 

[Vertigon]

"Macs are for people who dont want to think about their surroundings ( no offence but Michael Shumacker ( how ever u spell it ) doesnt worry about how much oil he has in his Ferarri does he ) and weather or not a paper cup is in the right place, they just dont care, theyre not paid to think about it... but just get on with the task they are intended to do with out disturbance appart from cups of coffee, bottles of Evian and an occasional luvvie lunch and a smoke.... "

When it comes down to serious "creative" work one does have to think about his/her surroundings. That's why animation/games/special affects houses use PC hardware in bulk, and for the few that try rotten apples, they only do so because thier Intel inside and got there rotten apples dirt cheap or free.

As for this whole debate about PC's being pro virus, what a joke. If you have a half decent firewall/anitvirus you rarely have to worry about anything. I'm not sure what sort of security is available for mac's but like everything else I'm betting it's second rate at best.

Asthetics:
"Secondly .. Come on folks Macs have been better looking machines a long time before pcs started to look like Dolly Parton with a undersized bra....Can you honestly say that you have never said some thing was cool on a Mac then you have lived in a padded bucket inside a padded barrel inside a padded cell. Some things are cool on a Mac, some are not.. But I never got on with a single button mouse.... "

Mac have no hope in winning in the fashion stakes either. Just look at an Alienware case or something like my cosmos S. Mac hasn't got anything anywhere near that horny. If horny isn't your thing, there are plenty of other cases, to cater for the many different tastes, which isn't something you can say about cracks.....oops I meant macs.

Notice how when you ask for SUBSTANCIAL reasons no one can come up with one? See Lukebird this was my point about the inhouse psychologist because everytime the mac/pc debate comes up this is where it ends up for mac lovers, in an infinite pit of NOTHING!!

Has anyone found ONE real reason yet to buy a crack....err mac. You wouldn't think one would be too much to ask.

I still say:
For anyone who still wants to buy a mac, follow your dog around with a bucket, it's alot cheaper.

(Harry Plopper you can always spray paint the doggy doo a gloss white if you don't like its colour.)

 

[Harry-Plopper]

"Macs are for people who dont want to think about their surroundings ( no offence but Michael Shumacker ( how ever u spell it ) doesnt worry about how much oil he has in his Ferarri does he ) and weather or not a paper cup is in the right place, they just dont care, theyre not paid to think about it... but just get on with the task they are intended to do with out disturbance appart from cups of coffee, bottles of Evian and an occasional luvvie lunch and a smoke.... "

When it comes down to serious "creative" work one does have to think about his/her surroundings. That's why animation/games/special affects houses use PC hardware in bulk, and for the few that try rotten apples, they only do so because thier Intel inside and got there rotten apples dirt cheap or free.

As for this whole debate about PC's being pro virus, what a joke. If you have a half decent firewall/anitvirus you rarely have to worry about anything. I'm not sure what sort of security is available for mac's but like everything else I'm betting it's second rate at best.

Asthetics:
"Secondly .. Come on folks Macs have been better looking machines a long time before pcs started to look like Dolly Parton with a undersized bra....Can you honestly say that you have never said some thing was cool on a Mac then you have lived in a padded bucket inside a padded barrel inside a padded cell. Some things are cool on a Mac, some are not.. But I never got on with a single button mouse.... "

Mac have no hope in winning in the fashion stakes either. Just look at an Alienware case or something like my cosmos S. Mac hasn't got anything anywhere near that horny. If horny isn't your thing, there are plenty of other cases, to cater for the many different tastes, which isn't something you can say about cracks.....oops I meant macs.

Notice how when you ask for SUBSTANCIAL reasons no one can come up with one? See Lukebird this was my point about the inhouse psychologist because everytime the mac/pc debate comes up this is where it ends up for mac lovers, in an infinite pit of NOTHING!!

Has anyone found ONE real reason yet to buy a crack....err mac. You wouldn't think one would be too much to ask.

I still say:
For anyone who still wants to buy a mac, follow your dog around with a bucket, it's alot cheaper.

(Harry Plopper you can always spray paint the doggy doo a gloss white if you don't like its colour.)

My god, If your wit was Sh!t you would be constipated...

Obviously your obsession with pcs has gone to the stage that even if anything is not a threat you would still go round and attack it with a kitchen knife.. obviously unstable and required to see a shrink.

Macs are not useless, and your sounding like a right wing looney... Macs have benefits over pcs for the reasons I have said...

I am a hi pc user and on pcs about 14 hours a day.. And no matter what you say no pc looks as good as a Mac not even the mediocre Alienware...

So dont give me that crap that I perfer macs... mmm disolusioned again.. READ THE TEXT.... obviously skipped the understanding bit but then again...

Macs are still king in the print studio arena and magazine design... FACT - get over it... Oh and what is prefered in making news papers ooh let me think - MACS oh and most Photostudios use - what did I hear every one say --- MACS...and what I said is true - mac uses dont need to worry about their operating system ( thats OS to you ) just the programs they work on...


I know that EA use Apples to do graphics in their games. I know someone who works there.

THESE ARE FACTS - GET OVER IT... IF YOU THINK ITS DIFFERENT THEN OBVIOUSLY EARTH IS NOT THE PLANET YOU LIVE ON..

Then you call them crack.. But there is many more reasons to buy one than having a drink down the local with you...

I am not pro MAC I am not Anti Mac, but for the reasons you are trying to pick a fight then obviously your up there with Thunderman and Baron Matrix...

All I have stated is that MACS are around for those reasons...You go off on one


Oh and as a fact on the Cosmos case, it looks like a Cyberman crossed with a stylish bread bin..

And what are those handles for... Do you take it to the shops because you cant leave it at home !!!!!
Exactly, once you put it some where you not going to carry it places are you.

 

[Vertigon]

OMG plopper has gone bezerrrrk!!! Relax dude your going pop an artery.

"Macs are still king in the print studio arena and magazine design... FACT - get over it... Oh and what is prefered in making news papers ooh let me think - MACS oh and most Photostudios use - what did I hear every one say --- MACS...and what I said is true - mac uses dont need to worry about their operating system ( thats OS to you ) just the programs they work on... "

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

OMG someone help me up......I fell out of my chair after reading that one.

Plopper is your idea of high end computing newspapers and print? My local printer has over 1 million dollars worth of print gear at his factory, nothing smaller than A2 in 2D as well as 3D printers and holographics printers. He gave up on macs in 1992. Yes 1992!!! Why? Apple never bothered to intergrate there crapware with industry, didn't have any CAD packages and only lameass Lightwave as a 3D package. You go on about photostudio's yet don't say a word about the BIG special affects and animation houses.

photostudio's......bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Mac's now use critical components developed originally in the PC market like CPU's and GPU's. Why aren't PC users yearning for original mac gear? It's shyte that's why.

You keep going on about the mac os, adobe couldn't even write a 64 bit version of photoshop for mac's, the os being so crap. No problems rolling it out on Vista.

Wait for CS5 plopper...you MIGHT get a 64 bit version then...bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Oh as for the handles on the cosmos s, they are made to be carried around, for exhibitors at trade shows and for gamers who take there machines to LAN parties. The only reason someone would put a handle on a mac is to lower it into a dumpster. If they didn't care about noise they'd throw it in.

Ok plopps, enough dribble, I am still waiting for one good TECH reason to buy a mac.

I still say:
For anyone who still wants to buy a mac, follow your dog around with a bucket, it's alot cheaper.

 

[Vertigon]

You know plopps when you said "Macs are for people who dont want to think...." you were actually telling the truth to that point, if only you hadn't added anything to that sentence we could credit you something.

 

[Harry-Plopper]

OMG plopper has gone bezerrrrk!!! Relax dude your going pop an artery.

"Macs are still king in the print studio arena and magazine design... FACT - get over it... Oh and what is prefered in making news papers ooh let me think - MACS oh and most Photostudios use - what did I hear every one say --- MACS...and what I said is true - mac uses dont need to worry about their operating system ( thats OS to you ) just the programs they work on... "

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

OMG someone help me up......I fell out of my chair after reading that one.

Plopper is your idea of high end computing newspapers and print? My local printer has over 1 million dollars worth of print gear at his factory, nothing smaller than A2 in 2D as well as 3D printers and holographics printers. He gave up on macs in 1992. Yes 1992!!! Why? Apple never bothered to intergrate there crapware with industry, didn't have any CAD packages and only lameass Lightwave as a 3D package. You go on about photostudio's yet don't say a word about the BIG special affects and animation houses.

photostudio's......bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Mac's now use critical components developed originally in the PC market like CPU's and GPU's. Why aren't PC users yearning for original mac gear? It's shyte that's why.

You keep going on about the mac os, adobe couldn't even write a 64 bit version of photoshop for mac's, the os being so crap. No problems rolling it out on Vista.

Wait for CS5 plopper...you MIGHT get a 64 bit version then...bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Oh as for the handles on the cosmos s, they are made to be carried around, for exhibitors at trade shows and for gamers who take there machines to LAN parties. The only reason someone would put a handle on a mac is to lower it into a dumpster. If they didn't care about noise they'd throw it in.

Ok plopps, enough dribble, I am still waiting for one good TECH reason to buy a mac.

I still say:
For anyone who still wants to buy a mac, follow your dog around with a bucket, it's alot cheaper.

Again ranting like a child who dropped his lolly pop

You still seem to be obviously obnoxious which is typical about the whole thing so ill put a stop to, we will agree to disagree..

 

[LukeBird]

"And let me answer your question, why should I justify why I bought a Mac to such a child-like, pathetic response as you. Anything I say, you're going to argue with, so I won't bother, thanks! "

Translated: "No I can't justify why anyone would buy a mac over a PC"

Lukebird my point entirely. I don't want to get into some tit for tat bitter debate over crap, I just don't understand why anyone would buy a mac, alot like many of the people that frequent these forums.

Amdfangirl if you type Photoshop CS4 into google you will see many articles stating its compatibility with Vista, regarding the 64 bit version anyhow. Obviously they are going to have to provide a 32 bit version for both PC and Mac, but my point was about Mac OS'S being behind, especially in the delivery of a 64 bit platform. From what I have heard Mac owners will have to wait until CS5 to get a 64 bit version, if there 64 bit platform is ready and stable by then.

I still like Mac people, confused as they are. They are trying even if logic and reason isn't there strongest points.

You are so naively arrogant you can't even see past your own comments! :lol:
Translate what you want from what I say, to be honest I could care less. You have no knowledge of the world and are happy in your tiny little world of fairies and pixies. When you get out in the real world you will realise that treating someone in the way you did to me (and trust me sunshine you haven't even come close to offending me 😉) is utterly disgraceful. You'd better learn something about how people react to what you say before you start spouting your opinion in a place where it won't be listened to.
Anyhow...
You have completely missed the point, I said I wasn't going to respond because you're not prepared to listen to my justification. Why would I bother justifying my actions (when I have no raeson to anyway...) to someone who is going to ignore them anyway? You're such a deeply rooted fanboy you can't see the wood for the trees! :lol:
Your not wanting to get into a 'tit for tat bitter debate' is utter arse, you've been trying to wind anyone up here who has been making intelligent conversation over other computers (an APPLE COMPUTER and different OSes APPLE OS X and LINUX). You are not willing to listen to anyone else's point (becuase you're an arrogant know-it-all) becuase you know best... Fine chap, I'm sure you do. But tell me, how far is that attitude going to get you in life?
As I said above, choosing your OS is a religion, you stick by it. Just agree to disagree and keep your mouth shut, eh?
It'll be better for all of us.
Just becuase people make a different choice, doesn't mean they are wrong you petulant oik.
Oh and don't reply in the way you did to macgirlfriend, she may have not put her points across well but you should be ashamed you responded to her in such a way.

 

[Harry-Plopper]

Hey, can everybody agree on one thing? 😉
Vetigon has gone overboard ranting............

No he just doesnt know what the f#@+ hes on about


I know what I Know because I deal with the design industry....

He proberly lives with his parents, favourite game is on mini clip or Pippa Funnel horse riding because he hasnt played anything else...

Obnoxious, arragant and rude..... and as for the comments agains Lukebird.. pah I feel sorry for him...

You need some sort of reasonability management,, more or likely a single child,, if he aint he sure acts likeone..

 

[macgirlfriend]

Hey, can everybody agree on one thing? 😉
Vetigon has gone overboard ranting............

Hey, there's no denying it!
You peoples can make all the anti mac counter-points you want but attacking people like this is just wrong .

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Simply put, I like to game. That in itself leaves Macs out of the picture. Everything else, Im sure theyre fine for, or mostly. But even a wii can game heheh

 

[Harry-Plopper]

Hey, there's no denying it!
You peoples can make all the anti mac counter-points you want but attacking people like this is just wrong .

Im not making Mac Attacks, I am supporting the fact that each platform has benefits and pitfalls..

Apples design, are in the film business doing graphics and also into the music trade....Post script just works on a mac where ttf on windows never took on in the print industry..

PCs are mainly for office use, accounts, wordprocessing, spreadsheets and for single minded saddoes like Vetigon who attacks every one else and lives in a shell...

Who cares if a computer has handles so do shopping bags or bin liners..

 

[Vertigon]

A good lesson for any newbie considering buying a mac:

1. We are ten pages into it and NO ONE has provided a genuine technical reason to buy a mac over a pc.

2. Mac supporters don't care about facts, reason or logic. They are happy to argue forever, even with so much evidence to the contrary staring them in the face.

3. Argueing with so much contrary evidence before you isn't credible, it's some sort of mental disorder, but that's thier problem, don't make it yours.

4. Tormenting supporters of a certain brand or platform in a forum usually pushes people to find and publish hard evidence supporting there claims, in this case mac supporters have been UNABLE to provide this evidence despite being so irrate. No one is able to provide this evidence.

5. If after reading this entire thread you still buy a mac, you deserve to be dissapointed and ripped off, because yes, we told you so.

6. I am sorry for offending people, I know I did. I know every clear thinking young person will see reason and see through the false mac propoganda.

7. To my stubborn and fierce mac opponents, my appologies, you will never change, I will always laugh and no one should have there computing experience ruined despite what platform there on. Young people are a priority and no one's ego should get in the way of presenting them the truth.

Big group hug........

 

[Hellboy]

A good lesson for any newbie considering buying a mac:

1. We are ten pages into it and NO ONE has provided a genuine technical reason to buy a mac over a pc.

2. Mac supporters don't care about facts, reason or logic. They are happy to argue forever, even with so much evidence to the contrary staring them in the face.

3. Argueing with so much contrary evidence before you isn't credible, it's some sort of mental disorder, but that's thier problem, don't make it yours.

4. Tormenting supporters of a certain brand or platform in a forum usually pushes people to find and publish hard evidence supporting there claims, in this case mac supporters have been UNABLE to provide this evidence despite being so irrate. No one is able to provide this evidence.

5. If after reading this entire thread you still buy a mac, you deserve to be dissapointed and ripped off, because yes, we told you so.

6. I am sorry for offending people, I know I did. I know every clear thinking young person will see reason and see through the false mac propoganda.

7. To my stubborn and fierce mac opponents, my appologies, you will never change, I will always laugh and no one should have there computing experience ruined despite what platform there on. Young people are a priority and no one's ego should get in the way of presenting them the truth.

Big group hug........

Yes there is reasons to buy a Mac..

If you are a professional and need to design something in graphics or photographic work then Macs are simply the better machine.

If you generally want a fuss free operating system then mac os has not been bettered.. Understand that computers are tools and Macs are a creative tool.

Yes Macs are charged higher prices, and that in some respect is a good thing..

PC's arse has fell out the market... No money can be made on selling pcs, components etc etc.

Mac is the only machine that money can really be made on.

Pc's are good for every thing else.

Now moderators lock this thread as its now getting tedious with self righteous people think that the only computer that should exist is blowing hot air at peoples feet just like the owners.


This Vertigon guy rants how good his Toyota MR2 is ( im being hyperthetical now ) but doesnt not want to know if his car gets stuck in the mud and a 4x4 is needed. Each type of vehical is better in one area that the other is not. Fact of life sunshine...

 

[spud]

Yes there is reasons to buy a Mac..

If you are a professional and need to design something in graphics or photographic work then Macs are simply the better machine.

If you generally want a fuss free operating system then mac os has not been bettered.. Understand that computers are tools and Macs are a creative tool.

Yes Macs are charged higher prices, and that in some respect is a good thing..

PC's arse has fell out the market... No money can be made on selling pcs, components etc etc.

Mac is the only machine that money can really be made on.

Pc's are good for every thing else.

Now moderators lock this thread as its now getting tedious with self righteous people think that the only computer that should exist is blowing hot air at peoples feet just like the owners.


This Vertigon guy rants how good his Toyota MR2 is ( im being hyperthetical now ) but doesnt not want to know if his car gets stuck in the mud and a 4x4 is needed. Each type of vehical is better in one area that the other is not. Fact of life sunshine...

There are plenty of professional designers that don't use Mac's and do just fine, well when you take into account the cost savings from not buying a Mac, dividends at the end of the year are that much rosier.

Fuss free, like how Vista is hmm, creative tool you sound like a Mac advertisement, you can be creative on Windows 95 if you chose to that entire argument has nothing to do with being creative as its the user that takes care of that end.

No I will have to disagree its not a good thing your paying upwards to 30%-50% more for a pretty box that’s only that a pretty box, you said it yourself it's a tool why on earth do you need pretty tools to work with when a simple and to the point tool will do just fine and wont devalue if you scratch or scuff it.

If pc vendors can’t make money why is that a valid argument to give Apple any of your hard earned money to me that sounds like a good opportunity to get quality components for a fair and reasonable price.

So your argument is still Mac's make money give them money to make money its for the best?

PC's are good at everything period, and with the right hardware software can be superb at everything.

Ya I see the self righteous people right in front of my face.

 

[Vertigon]

See what I mean people. Not one technical reason to buy a mac, this is the latest from the asylum:

"Yes there is reasons to buy a Mac..

If you are a professional and need to design something in graphics or photographic work then Macs are simply the better machine.

If you generally want a fuss free operating system then mac os has not been bettered.. Understand that computers are tools and Macs are a creative tool.

Yes Macs are charged higher prices, and that in some respect is a good thing..

PC's arse has fell out the market... No money can be made on selling pcs, components etc etc.

Mac is the only machine that money can really be made on. "

Oh and amdfangirl I agree with the derwents and neo's but 100 gsm is a bit thin for me lol.

 

[LukeBird]

A good lesson for any newbie considering buying a mac:


Don't listen to me as I'm a ranting oik.


They are happy to argue forever

We are ten pages in and you're STILL mindlessly ranting about Macs. I have given you more than one oppurtunity to drop it and you haven't. So be my guest, rant away, enjoy yourself....
Oh and the bit in bold, irony lost on you, eh? :lol:

Obnoxious, arragant and rude..... and as for the comments agains Lukebird.. pah I feel sorry for him...

You need some sort of reasonability management,, more or likely a single child,, if he aint he sure acts likeone..

Were those comments about me, or the comments that Vertigon made about me?

 

[Hellboy]

We are ten pages in and you're STILL mindlessly ranting about Macs. I have given you more than one oppurtunity to drop it and you haven't. So be my guest, rant away, enjoy yourself....
Oh and the bit in bold, irony lost on you, eh? :lol:


Were those comments about me, or the comments that Vertigon made about me?

It wasnt for you Lukebird, sorry, it was meant for Vertigon being rude against you and anyone else in this topic for a having an correct opinion

 

[Hellboy]

See what I mean people. Not one technical reason to buy a mac, this is the latest from the asylum:

"Yes there is reasons to buy a Mac..

If you are a professional and need to design something in graphics or photographic work then Macs are simply the better machine.

If you generally want a fuss free operating system then mac os has not been bettered.. Understand that computers are tools and Macs are a creative tool.

Yes Macs are charged higher prices, and that in some respect is a good thing..

PC's arse has fell out the market... No money can be made on selling pcs, components etc etc.

Mac is the only machine that money can really be made on. "

Oh and amdfangirl I agree with the derwents and neo's but 100 gsm is a bit thin for me lol.

You are now testiculating...

Im glad that you have found a scientific miracle as the only human being who speaks out of their backside....

Congratulations..

 

[LukeBird]

It wasnt for you Lukebird, sorry, it was meant for Vertigon being rude against you and anyone else in this topic for a having an correct opinion

Aaaah no problem chap
I'm more than happy to discuss Macs on here if people have a genuine interest, but Vertigon is going to shout at me that I'm wrong regardless of what I say. I have both a PC and a Mac for different reasons, as I have said my Mac was far, far cheaper than my PC (2nd hand, although it would still have been cheaper had it been new ).
I don't need to justify to anyone on here why I have it least of all Vertigon.
I don't think he sees the irony in his posts. But I have tried reasoning with him and he obviously won't listen.
Therefore I'll treat him like a spinning top - wind him up and let him go! 😀

 

[Hellboy]

Aaaah no problem chap
I'm more than happy to discuss Macs on here if people have a genuine interest, but Vertigon is going to shout at me that I'm wrong regardless of what I say. I have both a PC and a Mac for different reasons, as I have said my Mac was far, far cheaper than my PC (2nd hand, although it would still have been cheaper had it been new ).
I don't need to justify to anyone on here why I have it least of all Vertigon.
I don't think he sees the irony in his posts. But I have tried reasoning with him and he obviously won't listen.
Therefore I'll treat him like a spinning top - wind him up and let him go! 😀

This is what I am saying, hes acting like a dictator - dictating who should have, for what reasons and thats it.. And then going round ridiculing people because he is ignorant..

Wind up buddy, i couldnt really give a monkeys uncle..

I always treat machines or anything else for that matter with an open mind..

I cant understand peoples mentality if the dont listen to other peoples experiences, thoughts or ideas regardless of everyones integrity and due to circumstances this can change under certain conditions....

PC's are good, i have owned 40 different versions in the past and every single operating system for them...

But im wasting my time banding on that Macs do some things better... Because he wont listen...

BTW im just installing Service pack 3 for XP with the bug fixes..

Ill let u know how i got on...

At Spud

Fuss free, like how Vista is hmm, creative tool you sound like a Mac advertisement, you can be creative on Windows 95 if you chose to that entire argument has nothing to do with being creative as its the user that takes care of that end.

Are u saying to me that Vista has been totally stress free, I dont think so, every time you do something a Window pops up and you have to double click somewhere twice... XP anytime....

 

[chris312]

data execution prevention can be disabled, but i wish it were easier to do so. after i did that my Vista experience has been great..

i don't think the point can be made that Macs have greater technical power because that's not what they're designed for. Apple knows that most computer users don't really care about how their computer would score in 3dmark or how fast it can calculate pi to a million digits. Most computer users want something simple and easy to use in a nice form factor that won't take over their entire desk. Apple caters to these people the best, but puts a price on style

for my computer, I prefer the fastest possible for the money and if I want style a Lian-Li case is good enough for me. The most important thing to me is that I can upgrade it when I need to / want to and I find a lot of enjoyment in that.

I will probably never buy a Mac, but I can see that some people's preferences are different than mine...

 

[LukeBird]

This is what I am saying, hes acting like a dictator - dictating who should have, for what reasons and thats it.. And then going round ridiculing people because he is ignorant..

Wind up buddy, i couldnt really give a monkeys uncle..

I always treat machines or anything else for that matter with an open mind..

I cant understand peoples mentality if the dont listen to other peoples experiences, thoughts or ideas regardless of everyones integrity and due to circumstances this can change under certain conditions....

PC's are good, i have owned 40 different versions in the past and every single operating system for them...

But im wasting my time banding on that Macs do some things better... Because he wont listen...

Absolutely!
I suppose I should sell my Mac because someone doesn't like them 😉

 

[Hellboy]

data execution prevention can be disabled, but i wish it were easier to do so. after i did that my Vista experience has been great..

i don't think the point can be made that Macs have greater technical power because that's not what they're designed for. Apple knows that most computer users don't really care about how their computer would score in 3dmark or how fast it can calculate pi to a million digits. Most computer users want something simple and easy to use in a nice form factor that won't take over their entire desk. Apple caters to these people the best, but puts a price on style

for my computer, I prefer the fastest possible for the money and if I want style a Lian-Li case is good enough for me. The most important thing to me is that I can upgrade it when I need to / want to and I find a lot of enjoyment in that.

I will probably never buy a Mac, but I can see that some people's preferences are different than mine...

I have never said that macs are more powerfull, all I am saying for a long time Macs are designers tools, always have and in many cases always will until theyre not made anymore then we will have no choice..

My computer of choice is a pc, but if for the right reasons i would change machine if it suited my requirements...

Im not knocking the pc or mac or banging on how good the mac or pc is...

What costs more money u make more of a margin on - fact and if there is less of them then mac engineers are harder to find.. am I correct so the price goes up...

I am not a mac lover as i said before designers prefer them, I'm not a designer I'm a qualified engineer.....I prefer pc

 

[jimmysmitty]

Are u saying to me that Vista has been totally stress free, I dont think so, every time you do something a Window pops up and you have to double click somewhere twice... XP anytime....

Yes for me Vista has been totaly stress free. And the pop up thing is over exageratted. It happens when you run .exe, install something or open a .rar. I never have it pop up when I load a game. Only SpeedFan and one other program needs permision to run since they access core system files. But its not as bad as people make it out to be.

 

[spud]

This is what I am saying, hes acting like a dictator - dictating who should have, for what reasons and thats it.. And then going round ridiculing people because he is ignorant..

Wind up buddy, i couldnt really give a monkeys uncle..

I always treat machines or anything else for that matter with an open mind..

I cant understand peoples mentality if the dont listen to other peoples experiences, thoughts or ideas regardless of everyones integrity and due to circumstances this can change under certain conditions....

PC's are good, i have owned 40 different versions in the past and every single operating system for them...

But im wasting my time banding on that Macs do some things better... Because he wont listen...

BTW im just installing Service pack 3 for XP with the bug fixes..

Ill let u know how i got on...

At Spud

Fuss free, like how Vista is hmm, creative tool you sound like a Mac advertisement, you can be creative on Windows 95 if you chose to that entire argument has nothing to do with being creative as its the user that takes care of that end.

Are u saying to me that Vista has been totally stress free, I dont think so, every time you do something a Window pops up and you have to double click somewhere twice... XP anytime....

No I am saying its been stress free for me, if you are unable to adapt to the new interface that has nothing to do with me or MS. Its YOU; YOU are unable to deal with the changes, YOU are unable to read the tec documents, forums, help files to work around these apparent issues that YOU are unable to deal with it. So YOU dont have to like Vista YOU dont have to like anything that MS makes and thats fine, but stop babbleing about your issues as facts.

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