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We are about to head into page 11 of this thread, and do we yet have a technical reason as to why a mac is better than a PC? NO NO NO NO NO NO.

A technical reason goes something like this:"the mac ___ cpu is better because it outdoes the pc price equivelant by x% on this benchmark_____."

Same with graphics cards and other components. This my friends is what you call a technical comparision.

A technical comparison is NOT:

"I just wanted something different and umm someone said if I buy a mac I will be creative and special and furry and I will have friends and nanna will buy me a stuffed toy."
 
Can I say macs are better because you get an education discount ($100 apple, $400 school) and a free ipod nano ($200). Come on!
(Our schools only use macs and give us discount when we buy one via them)

Then there's the free printer offer ($100)

Life is Good!

Do your math!
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I would say that rebates is the main or a good reason to buy a mac...

Its what suits the application and the hardware that is needed to run that application in the required job description..

The thing is PC's don't need rebates as they are cheap as it is anyway..

Now back to this Vista situation

Are u really saying that Vista is a great operating system, Im not saying its crap, but some of the differences between Vista and XP were not required... Internet explorer is still not as good as firefox..
Windows defender is or what ever its called is almost crap.. use superantispyware instead, its free and its better than most.

Windows mail.. well outlook express was the industry standard, why change the format, why out outlook express 7. Yes its easy enough to get data in but it would be easier if it was outlook express 7 in the same format just jazzed up a bit..

Its about time for a new IE as well, I am trying Safari and it spell checks as I type this now on the PC.
That should be implemented in IE8.

Vista has caused quite a few problems for me as an engineer, implementing Vista has been a problem due to programs not being compatible with it...

For the sake of all the niggles that Vista gives, XP just cant be bettered...

A lot of games run with niggles too and why should I change if I am happy with XP..


 

Grow up.
Learn how to discuss and then come back and try discussing again.
When you can, I will explain my reasoning. Until then, don't bother!


MODS, lock please! :)
 
^ If I was a mod I'd just delete the member, no need to spoil the thread......
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I did think that, but perhaps I'm becoming too understanding in my old age(!) 😉
I'd be more than happy for him to stay if he learns to read, be appreciative of other people's opinions and not keep going over and over and over and over.... etc.
 
"Can I say macs are better because you get an education discount ($100 apple, $400 school) and a free ipod nano ($200). Come on!
(Our schools only use macs and give us discount when we buy one via them)

Then there's the free printer offer ($100) "

What do you get exactly and what do you pay exactly and where from exactly? I still think the pc equivilant will be cheaper all things considered.

Mac has had the "school" sucker punch trick forever. When they initially emerged as a desktop they would do very low prices for schools because they knew the younger new generation would be inquisitive enough about them to learn something. It never caught on with business because mac's were simply to lame for large network's and bulk server applications. Then IBM (original PC) started 24 hour support and basically killed off the business market for Steve Jobs.
So they stuck with the same lame ass marketing strategy. Get it into schools. Make people believe they will be creative and "different". Does anyone realise it's the software that allows you to be creative, not the hardware? Mac hardware, like pc hardware simply runs photoshop illustrator etc. That's the creativity arguement killed off.

They do discounts for high schools, multimedia schools, colleges etc. They have to. Think about it if you took thier "pretend" creative markey away, what would they have? Not games, not business servers, not renderers, not anything else that comes to mind right now.

Don't you think it's disgusting a brand has to "dupe" school kids onto a familiar platform in the hope that they'll buy one as an adult. I actually did a bit of multimedia years ago, we had to use G4's. I remember doing a 3D scene and incorporating that into director. It played back and worked fine on my budget home pc which was a P3 at the time. I took it to school and the stupid G4 would play it back like it was about to die, hanging on every tenth frame or so then deciding it might work. Nothing ran better on it. Not photoshop, not illustrator, not flash, not director. If no one gives me one real reason to buy a mac by the end of page 11 of this thread I will not be replying and would be urging mac zealots to consider the same question I have been asking all along...."Why buy a mac?"
 


Rebates oh no so it’s bad for Intel to do it but its great for Apple to do it complete udder crap.

Again they all do the same thing they take input, exec, and display the results. Only difference is PC's do it for cheaper.

IE7 was out before Vista your argument falls on internet browsers not operating systems. Then don't user Windows Defender go buy Norton and make your machine useless no one cares your choice don't use the free app from MS oh wait you can buy it now for less than Norton and they do pretty well the same thing less Norton writes its own virus's to create market demand, damn that evil MS and not trying to bring their OS's down.

That’s their business model ask them why they change their GUI and API's while you at it.

Oh no spell check if that’s your point you better come back with some more since alt c, start MS word 2003, alt v, several right clicks, alt c, alt v and your done. Or use hotmail it does it automatically now or use Google as it checks your spelling as well.

Then you as an engineer needs to get off his ass and get with the program that ran for nearly 2 years before Vista went live MS gave the entire industry ample time to prepare for the OS change if you can't keep up with the evil slow sloppy inferior lazy incompetent MS development team what’s that say about you?

No one is asking you to change from XP and frankly I think it would be better for Vista in general if you didn’t use it, much too different for you and your limited comprehensive and reading skills to learn the "new" features, which are just another GUI layer as it has all the functionality and options that XP had you just have to start, help support, Vista basics.

Word, Playa.
 


To kind of expand on this point, Its called Windows Live Onc Care. Works for Vista and XP. I use it and its great. It is basically a buffed version of Windows Defender. It includes anti virus/spyware/adware/malware, deletes your temp files and recycle bin. It also checks for new files that need to be backed up and will set up a backup of those files for you. And it also defrags your PC. Now I know WIndows Defrager may not be the best one but still defraging even with Windows Defrag is good for your HDD.

The other benefits of this service is it will set a schedule automatically and you can change it when need be. SO you can set it to run once a day, week or month and so on. It cost $49.99/year and you can use it on 3, yes THREE, computers and have one as a main hub to monitor the other 2 and thier status.

So far I love it and it ties in very well with Vista. Keeps my PC safe and happy and uses very little memory/process. Its simple and the GUI is not too flashy or complicated.
 


Hey what kind of a person would copy and paste like that?
 
I almost bought an apple once, til I saw it had worms. An apple a day will keep gaming away. PC, you are the apple of my eye.... oh well, could be worse, they may have beaten out MS back in the day, and wed all be on em
 



Yeah that was what I was trying to say because Vertigon is waiting for someone to show him that Macs are more powerful than PC's. Macs aren't more powerful and that's why I don't prefer them, but for some people it's not about power.

It's like cars. I prefer high quality asian brand cars like Hondas and Toyotas because they last stinkin' forever and I don't have to fix them. Many people prefer american cars because they are faster and cheaper. I'm no good at fixing cars, so even a simple repair would be a big problem for me. I also don't care if the car can go 120mph because I never go over 70. So I am willing to pay the price premium for no/few hassles even though the car is less powerful.

The asian cars are kind of like macs - more expensive and less powerful but reliable.
American cars are kind of like windows pc's - cheaper and more powerful but they are less reliable.
 
"The asian cars are kind of like macs - more expensive and less powerful but reliable."

I appreciate what your trying to say Chris. My friend bought a mac about 18 months ago, there top of the range one (yes I have a friend who has a mac). He resented having to buy it but he teaches film studies and needed the compatabilty with his school ( yes they got bribed into the mac platform)

In 18 months he has had 2 power supply failures and dead pixels on the monitor. He is now using his 3rd monitor and everytime he goes in for a warranty claim they resent him for it.

I have an old P3 which is still going after 7 years and has never had a hardware issue or malfunction. I hope my newer machine has an equally good run. I run CAD and a 3ds all day, my machine hasn't been turned off since Tuesday this week and yet no problems.

If only macs were better quality even if slower. At least there would be one good thing to say. I would never ever advise anyone to buy a mac but I am not going to ruin the computing experience for those that did anyway. One thing about these forums is that people get way too carried away with hardware and for some they don't even have the application to make the most of the power they keep striving for. My point? Use whatever you have for good, enjoy it and become a better person for it.
 


Macs have there good machines and macs have their bad machines...

Most Macs are made my Asus, and Asus dont make power supplies... I dont know who makes them but in China there are bad manufacturers as well as good.. Some scrimp on components, some dont.. This goes for all manufacturers - some pc powersupplies are good, some are crap.. If Apple were promised a powersupply which should of fitted the bill, just like the Sony battery fiasco, and it dont then Apple are blamed even if it isn't their own fault.. I can understand your friends frustration but Apple dont manufacture screens either, they are made by someone else even the Ipods are made by Asus.

But it doesnt still stop the Mac fitting certain applications..There are features on the Mac version of Creative Suite that is not on the PC.

 

After your tirade of **** earlier, I don't believe that statement for a second!
 


Yeah what was all that about !!!!

Need some blood presure tablets, I assume..

But then again what do I know, I only fix computers and "MACS".
 
Look I just have to deal with the fact that despite the fiesty debate, I never got a real reason. Why do people buy macs? Why do they buy Christion Dior, or love the colour pink? Why aren't cars all the same, or shoes? People buy what they want, despite praticality and logic sometimes and that's that.

Smile, big group hug and let's move on. Please!!
 

I explained that to you.
You're not willing to listen to anyone, because you know best!
Fastest doesn't = best, never has and never will.
 


The same reasons people like Nintendo Wii over XBox 360..

The same as some people like General Motors over Ford..

The way some peole like Pepsi over Coca Cola

The same way people like Molborough over another brand of cigarette

Because people have choice, preference and they can do what they like for what ever reason they have as long as it doesn't break the law..

But the reason is if you listen is that Apple Macs are for designers with nothing else to think about apart from designing..

PC's are generally more complicated and it takes more to get out of it even if its a universal standard..But there are more applications on pcs than any other platform. Fact, the games are better on pc too than any console... Pcs generally have new gadgets first.. PC had webcams first, the rest followed. Wireless keyboards, mouse etc etc etc..

Nowadays the difference in hardware from mac to pc is minimal.

They cost more down to the way its been marketted where pcs are not marketted because they sell anyway.

If you made a green orange you would charge twice the price of a orange orange.. Would you not its called marketting...


The design program tools are better in macs with the game, film, photographic, music and any other type of publishing industry and because this is so then the print industry is also linked to these type of people.

Mac people turn on the mac by the keyboard and click on icons and drag and drop in to waste paper basket..

PCs are turned on 9 times out of 10 by a button because mac users are lazy on this front (also turning pcs on this way is a bit dated and dont we think that pcs should have this function well and truely in by now as a standard as apposed to configuring it using CTRL + F1 etc) but there are other ways of doing the same thing such as clicking on the file and pressing delete, right mouse button then select delete, control and delete then drag and dropping it in the the recycle bin etc etc..

This is why people choose macs, nothing to do with speed but the sheer chic'ness of it all.
Its not to do with power, macs do look better no matter what you say but then again a Wii looks better than a 360.

Mac people want less to worry about instead of stupid rants that went on before.
 
"But the reason is if you listen is that Apple Macs are for designers with nothing else to think about apart from designing..
PC's offer better harware and os's for design applications. The new CS4 64 bit photoshop unavaliable for mac plus the many CAD and 3D packages unavailable for mac.

"The design program tools are better in macs with the game, film, photographic, music and any other type of publishing industry and because this is so then the print industry is also linked to these type of people."
Complete crap. What design tools? Name them.

Mac people turn on the mac by the keyboard and click on icons and drag and drop in to waste paper basket..

The soft start options for pc's are better with many modes like sleep, hibernate etc, yes keyboard start too.PC's also have a waste paper basket on the desktop and have since windows beagn. So what, you think these dumb reasons are reasons to buy a mac?

Plopps do you have down syndrome?
 



2 things ,

your are a frustrating turd that never seems to go away...
and you proberly wouldnt believe the 1st because your so F*&^%!$G Ignorant..

Turpit, Jake Barnes or anyone please just lock this thread...

Cheers

Not knowing is one thing, ignorance is something else.
 
Plopps you can't make "supposed" claims about macs and then just ask people to lock a thread. Yound people read these forums and sadly sometimes get mislead, courtesy of people like yourself. So either the reasons you have stated are genuine, or they are not.

If they are not good reasons plops, you might want to ask your psychologist why you keep professing that they are.

I actually spoke to my friend who had to sadly buy a mac, he too likes they idea of thinking himself to be "creative" but sadly after looking at what and how much he has "created" he is neither creative nor self honest. Mac sold him an indentity, the way they have you I suspect, the problem is you can't actually buy an identity, you have to become it.
 
You know what, I think I have finally got into the physchi of the mac user. In thier hearts they want to say: "I want to use a computer for my special things (eg. music, image making etc) and I don't want to have hassles setting it up or with hardware crap, I want to buy it, turn it on and play, that's it". This in their minds and to some extent is what apple promises them and if they lose out some power and gagets and games, hey so what, they have a trendy box near or on their desk and that makes them feel warm and fuzzy.
 
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