WHAT AMD IS EQUAL TO P4 4.0

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I have long been an AMD fan. My first AMD was a K6-2 @ 300Mhz. I have since had a K6-3, a K7 Slot processor, a 1.4Ghz T-bird, and an AXP 2600+. 8 months ago I purchased a used 2.6Ghz P4 from my roommate to replace my AthlonXP 2600, and I have to admit that it SEEMS faster in day-to-day operation. It just feels smoother; boot time, large file transfer, software installation, AND gameplay. I'd like to add that I have no "proof", no documented benchmarks to illustrate my point, the P4 is just.....smoother. No hiccups. I'm still an Athlon fan, and my next build will probably be an FX-53 or FX-55. I'm not trying to get flamed, just offering my personal experience.
 
I had the Shuttle AK31 V3.1 that is based on the new K266A Chipset not the older one.

I to was an AMD fan when you could build a brand new system for 500 bucks verse spending a boatload more for an equivalent intel. But those Days are over. Fact is AMD systems are starting to cost more than intel. For half the price of Intel I can deal with half the stability but when I'm spending the same amount for the "equivalent" and get crash's its unacceptable.
 
my AMD Systems are :

Athlon XP 1800+ @ 1.53 Ghz
Shuttle AK31 V1.3
ATI Radeon 9600XT (upgrade from AIW Rage 128 Pro)
Foxconn case with Allied TRUE 350W psu
Maxtor 40 GB 7200 RMP ATA 133
2X maxtor 120 GB ATA 133
Lite on 48x16x48 cd-RW drive
2X256 MB Crucial Micron PC2100

2400+ Thorton Core @ 2.0 Ghz
Shuttle AN35
2X512MB Crucial Micron PC 2700
9800XT
Artec CD burner
2X 250GB Maxotr ATA 133 7200 RPM
Allied 350 watt PSU

Athlon 64 3200+ @ 2.2ghz
MSI K8N NEO
2X 512 MB Kingston PC 3200
2X Maxtor SATA 300GB drives
Radeon 9800XT
Antec 400Watt Smart power PSU
8X Dvd Burner
 
Shuttle is a respectable company with high quality products take a look at their XPC line its the best on the market
 
any body have any idea what amd processor would compete with a 4.0?
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Well, it depends on the ap, <A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2330&p=2" target="_new">but in HL2 it would seem</A> that a 4.0 GHz P4 would be pretty close to a A64 3200+. 😱


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When people show stuff like that, you have to feel sorry for Intel fanboys.
I remember that you were a little reluctant to make the switch from your P4c. I guess you are glad you did.
 
A P4 clocked at 4.0 ghz will pound most anything into rubble! An A64 clocked at 2.6ghz will pound most anything into rubble! Now, how many people here have either one of these CPU's clocked like that for everyday use? Not very many I reckon! As for stability issues with A64 and multiple or large volume drives, I think there are more AMD MB problems than Intel MB problems. Not everyone has dealt well with the "on die" memory controller. There are probably 80 Intel motherboards produces for every 20 AMD motherboards. Just a hunch.

Abit IS7 - 3.0C @ 3.6ghz - Mushkin PC4000 (2 X 512) - Sapphire 9800Pro - TT 420 watt Pure Power
Samsung 120gb ATA-100 - Maxtor 40gb ATA - 100
Sony DRU-510A - Yellowtail Merlot
 
Since you responded to my post;
My A64 is running 24/7 at 2.45. I figure it will pound most systems that can run that long perfectly stable.
Your numbers for Amd boards may be about right, but the number I would use to build systems on would be 1/4 of that. Since I tell people who want S775 to "go elsewhere", the same % is true for Intel boards.
 
*warning* bulsh1t quotent dangerously high in this thread!

I especially loved the bit about AMD being home pc's and intel work ones...

Our computer room has 8xdual MP2000+ rackmount, and a coworker has just got a dual 2Ghz opteron rig for number crunching.

As for whats equal to a 4Ghz P4...
THe answer would have to be a stock to overclocked 4000+ or FX55.
Depending of course on the application.
Some apps the A64 cant match the sheer speed of the p4, even overclocked. Others it spanks it.


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Hey, I'll build anything any time and anywhere for the right money. You don't have to be an "anti-Intelite". Prejudice is not good. That's like a mechanic saying, "Sorry, I only work on convertibles"!

Abit IS7 - 3.0C @ 3.6ghz - Mushkin PC4000 (2 X 512) - Sapphire 9800Pro - TT 420 watt Pure Power
Samsung 120gb ATA-100 - Maxtor 40gb ATA - 100
Sony DRU-510A - Yellowtail Merlot
 
In the meantime Dell is just selling the living hell out of them. They must be getting better stepping, case cooling, or a combination of both. In the meantime, nobody has asked me for one or I'd build it. I would recommend A64 or P4 Northwood, but if someone insisted what the heck. Id just throw on the <A HREF="http://www.wholehousefan.com/theghost.html" target="_new">ghost.</A>

Abit IS7 - 3.0C @ 3.6ghz - Mushkin PC4000 (2 X 512) - Sapphire 9800Pro - TT 420 watt Pure Power
Samsung 120gb ATA-100 - Maxtor 40gb ATA - 100
Sony DRU-510A - Yellowtail Merlot
 
*warning* bulsh1t quotent dangerously high in this thread!
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Amen!

I havent been a member here for that long, but I have visited the forum for over a year. The information that I have received here has been priceless. One thing that I have noticed is that different types of cycles that occur here just as they do in the industry. Its unfortunate, but right now we are in an extremely biased cycle. Before anyone gets their panties in wad, im not just talking about Intel vs. AMD. So many have a chip on their shoulder. This has turned into more of a competition of which brand in better A or B.

I am an Intel man myself, but according to all the data that I have seen I am confident that in most categories AMD is the better choice as of now. I doubt that it will always be, but I suspect that it will always be a quality choice. Many of the members that posted here when I first started coming here are now gone or spend most of thier time elsewhere. Im sure that there are many different reasons for this, but I do wonder if one of the major ones is the climate that exist here at the present.

I wish that I knew more than I did so that I could answer more questions than I am currently able to. In the last three months alone my posting has increased dramaticallly. That is a testament to THG and its members. The reason that my posting has increased is not because I spend more time here, but because I know more from the knowledge as well as the practical experience that i have gained from being here.

Our new memeber numbers dont seem to be expanding like they should be. Some members are probably happy about this while others like myself would like to see an increase. Strength comes in numbers as well as quality. The level of BIAS in way to high. There is not much harmony except maybe at the extreme ends of the pole. Its time to get back to basics and talk about the thing that really all love, and its not one company or the other, its COMPUTERS. Without competition, there would be far less need or desire for a corp. to develope the new technonogy that keeps us interested. BTW, thanks to all of you for your help. It has been a life saver at times and is very much appreiciated

Sincerely

MOZZ


To save us both time, assume I know EVERYTHING :tongue:
 
I only build as a sideline. I have a "day job" that pays well. I warranty all my builds for a full 3 years. I just wont use parts I dont trust, and the prescott on s775 is just too much of a strain on the whole system.
Most of my customers are by word of mouth. They think I know what I'm doing, so they usually listen to recommendations.
 
I'll admit that I prefer AMD. I have been sonsistently impressed with their price/performance ratio. Not just price/perf for the chip, but also for mobos and RAM. I also think that the performance pendulum will swing back and forth. That is the natural reaction to companies competing for consumers. In the end, this competition benefits us because we receive better products, faster and at lesser prices, than if there was only a single provider. One of the things we consumers need to be careful of is mfrs racing products to the market to satisfy consumers without proper testing of the systems. Those types of issues are why THG's forums are GREAT! It enables consumers to share experiences - good and bad. I enjoy reading the slap-in-the-face <b>informed</b> banter between AMD/Intel supporters. It teaches me a lot about both and allows me to make informed purchases.

"He who will not risk, cannot win"
- John Paul Jones
 
Sorry G, but the best benchmarks use actual programs. So better performance in the Doom3 benchmark means better performance in the Doom3 game as well. These are called application benmarks because they use actual applications.

In fact, Intel seems to do better at SYNTHETIC benchmarks than applications benchmarks, compared to AMD, so what you said about benchmark performance applies to Intel more than AMD.

I've usually built Intel systems because of their superior chipsets. Intel doesn't have anything on the market anywhere near 4GHz that's worth buying, the CPU does waste a lot of power (2x that of the top A64's), it WILL heat up an office space (even in the summer when you don't want it to) and Tom's showed these things throttle down due to thermal overload even under Intel's specified configuration.

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Try running 2 300GB drives on an Nforce 3 chipset full of data chug chu chug! then try intel smooth as butter.
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What does your hard drive configuration have to do with AMD? It's a chipset issue ... if there is an issue.

I have 2x200 SATA plus 2x74 GB Raptors on two K8 motherboards both on the VIA controller and they have been running without an issue.

...well except VIA's pathetic on-screen messages in an impossible-to-understand English.
 
I remember that you were a little reluctant to make the switch from your P4c. I guess you are glad you did.
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Yeah, that was me. I was and still am a big fan of the IS7 and the P4C chips. Still very capable & very stable machines. But no, I wouldn't think of building one now with todays prices on A64's.

To be honest, the switch to A64 did little to nothing for me. I had the fun of benching it the first few weeks. But HL2 performance is about the same as my IS7/P4 2.6C, but that's because the 9800 pro is holding it back. If I upgrade video cards, then I will see a big difference for sure.

The upgrade for me was based on I liked what I was reading about the MSI K8N neo 2 platinum, and that I could potentially have near FX53 performance out of a cheap OC'ed winchester. I do like the cool & quiet feature, and the performance is good for sure. But if I was only worrying about one system, I would have been better off just putting the $350 into a 6800GT and keeping that IS7/P4C. But jumping on a highly Overclockable A64 was too much for me to resist. :redface:

But it basically for me was wanting an A64 rig to play with. I still have 2 systems with the IS7, and my previous 2.6C gamer is currently used as much as this A64 is. But when I myself sit down to game now, it is on this A64. It's all about what's best for the time you upgrade. I'll stand by my arguement that the P4 "C" chips on a nice IS7 was a good route to go for a long time period. But no I will not be building anyone an i865pe system anymore, and espeically not for gaming. Most likely that will be almost exclusively A64 for me, or some real budget Athlon XP or XP-M systems since I still have many of those mobos in stock. :frown:



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I can get a 400 MHz boost on each without problems. But at 2.2GHz, the A64 easily outbenched the P4 @ 3.0GHz, or a AXP @ 2.6GHz in 3dmark2001se. I never broke 20K with the overclocked AXP or the Overclocked P4C and a 9800 pro. But the A64 broke 22K @ 2.2GHz with the same video card. The ram was corsair PC4000 pro series, I don't think it held me back. Experimenting with Async ram even, my 2.6C never went much over 3.0-3.1GHz. Also, my Winny isn't great as 2.3GHz is about it. Maybe I needed to buy more chips. 400-500 MHz isn't bad, but I was hoping for 600+ MHz. It did take me two Mobile XP's to get a 2.6GHz capable one, the first only did 2.4GHz. It sure would be fun to have a 2.6GHz A64 Winchester though, especially for under $200. :smile:




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Yes it is in my current Rig. No issues whatsoever, but very relaxed timings unfortunately. I wasn't going to buy new ram when I have so much in stock. It is ok when OC'in, but I wish I had 1GB of low latency instead. My current choices are:

1GB 2*512MB Corsair PC4000 pro series
1GB 2*512MB HyperX PC4000
1GB 2*512MB Geil PC3200
512MB 2*256MB Corsair PC3200LL
512MB 2*256MB Geil PC3200

All of these are in use except the 1GB Geil kit is still new. By far I like the corsair LL the best of all these dual kits I have, but I want 1GB in my gaming rig. Anyway, I am yet to try the Corsair LL in the the A64 to see how the timings helpout. But I am not in the market for any new ram for quite a while or I'd probably try some ballistix next.


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Everything that I have been reading lately is putting Corsairs high performance RAM towards the top of the list. I just bought come Crucial Ballistix, but I have some of the Corsair XMS in regular DDR and like it also.

To save us both time, assume I know EVERYTHING :tongue:
 
Im not sure if this holds true for AMD, but there is an article over at Anandtech that discusses some advantage to having all 4 memory slots populated as long as you were using 2G or less. Crashman could tell you more about this. I know that part of the article was talking about how anything over 2G would start to slow your system down becase Windows had problems with more than 2G.

Testing and benching the different Rams is about the only way to know for sure. I would be interested to see what 4 X 256 would do in comparison to 2X512.

To save us both time, assume I know EVERYTHING :tongue:
 
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