No it isn't. Any gamer would be looking at better graphics and screens way before 'upgrading' an i7 for gaming.
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No it isn't. Any gamer would be looking at better graphics and screens way before 'upgrading' an i7 for gaming.
So he buys more screens and makes use of it.
An i7 will not help in any way with eyefinity compared to even the lowest Phenom II. If anything, he will lose 2-3 fps like we've seen in every other max resolution/max settings test comparing Phenom II to I7.
You already mentioned earlier that eyefinity wasnt a gimmick, time to get behind it.
Anybody who has money to burn on gaming should be considering eyefinity before anything else.
3 screens, best gpu's, cpu = a wash, not important so long as it's one of the 'big 3'.
Anybody who has money to burn on gaming should be considering eyefinity before anything else.
3 screens, best gpu's, cpu = a wash, not important so long as it's one of the 'big 3'.
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The proof goes into what I've seen with actual video and personal experience. If I want to be moderate and get medium performing components I would have just decided to go the same setup I had before. But I want to pull out all stops. I sold my last rig and I want to actually try Intel for once.
"ohreally" Whats your setup?
"ohreally" Whats your setup?
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I'll echo the advice on the 285's......just not a good price performance ratio ..... though I can't agree on the PhysX is dead thing. Given the salaries they pay decision makers at places like EVGA and Asus, I just can't see their CFO's agreeing to invest millions in the release of new "PhysX only" dedicated Vidcards, piggybacking one powerful GPU on a card w/ a less powerful dedicated PhysX GPU....and then Asus releasing a special $400 board "for PhysX". These companies didn't get where they are today by spending development $$ on dead end technology. However time will tell.....
here's the new january THG breakdown:
$50 - HD 4650
$65 - HD 4670 / 9600 GSO
$90 - 9800 GT
$110 - GTS 250 512 MB / 4850 512 MB
$125 - GTS 250 1 GB / 4850 1 GB
$145 - No winner (HD 5750 Honorable Mention)
$155 - HD 5770
$200 - HD 4890
$250 - 2 x GTS 250 / 2 x 4850
$310 - 2 x HD 5770 (HD 5850 Honorable Mention)
$400 - 2 x HD 4890
$410 - No winner (HD 5870 Honorable Mention)
$520 - No winner (GTX 295 Honorable Mention)
$625 - No winner (HD 5970 Honorable Mention)
My only beef here is the inclusion of the 5770. They knocked the 260 out of a tie here from last month cause the price keeps rising.....it's only rising cause peeps are still buying it and their buying it and the 4870 cause they both outperform the 5770. But the cheapest I have seen a big name brand 5770 is $170. To top it off the 5770, chokes at 1920 x 1200 on Dirt2 ....if it can't do 30 fps here w/ D2's minor DX11 implementation, how much is it gonna choke on Alien / Predator ?
If laying out $820 for twin 5870's or $ 625 for an 5970 (an appropriate selection for your rig).....I hardly see a problem throwing out 10% of that ($65) for a dedicated PhysX card......(2 % of ya $3k budget) even if ya only use it to play Batman.
here's the new january THG breakdown:
$50 - HD 4650
$65 - HD 4670 / 9600 GSO
$90 - 9800 GT
$110 - GTS 250 512 MB / 4850 512 MB
$125 - GTS 250 1 GB / 4850 1 GB
$145 - No winner (HD 5750 Honorable Mention)
$155 - HD 5770
$200 - HD 4890
$250 - 2 x GTS 250 / 2 x 4850
$310 - 2 x HD 5770 (HD 5850 Honorable Mention)
$400 - 2 x HD 4890
$410 - No winner (HD 5870 Honorable Mention)
$520 - No winner (GTX 295 Honorable Mention)
$625 - No winner (HD 5970 Honorable Mention)
My only beef here is the inclusion of the 5770. They knocked the 260 out of a tie here from last month cause the price keeps rising.....it's only rising cause peeps are still buying it and their buying it and the 4870 cause they both outperform the 5770. But the cheapest I have seen a big name brand 5770 is $170. To top it off the 5770, chokes at 1920 x 1200 on Dirt2 ....if it can't do 30 fps here w/ D2's minor DX11 implementation, how much is it gonna choke on Alien / Predator ?
If laying out $820 for twin 5870's or $ 625 for an 5970 (an appropriate selection for your rig).....I hardly see a problem throwing out 10% of that ($65) for a dedicated PhysX card......(2 % of ya $3k budget) even if ya only use it to play Batman.
I have a 940 BE and awaiting 2 5770's on Wednesday. I was going to go with 3x24" but I already have two 22" so I'm going to get a 3rd of the same + use the new sapphire dvi-displayport adaptor.
I've seen a few eyefinity reviews with different screens and sometimes one of them has a slightly different colour so it looks a bit off.
Anyway, I've definitely stretched my buying power pretty much to the max with this and it will be my last upgrade for a while. Overall, I don't think it is possible to get a better gaming experience any cheaper, which was my aim to start with.
Yep I got that.
Basically speaking, when you move to 3-screens you will be gpu limited except in older games (yes even with two 5970's).
In gpu limited scenarios, the PhII generally performs 2-5% better than the i7 920. I don't know how the i5 750 performs, could be better or worse.
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I know the PHII's don't handle OC like the Intel i7s do. The more and more I talk to people who are AMD fans the more I realize that I'm being forced an idea of better performance per dollar. At what the cost of reliability? The Phenom II isn't the first AMD core I've burnt. I thought BE meant you could over clock it? But I guess I missed the fine print that said "not for that long and not to exceed .5 Ghz."
I would like to use one of my motorcycle analogies. Its like buying a Honda CBR600RR and knowing that while its being pushed to the limit the motor will be able to withstand the abuse. Or you could buy a Hyosung POS600SuX and tip toe through the gears because you're afraid you'll lose another gear from shifting.
I would like to use one of my motorcycle analogies. Its like buying a Honda CBR600RR and knowing that while its being pushed to the limit the motor will be able to withstand the abuse. Or you could buy a Hyosung POS600SuX and tip toe through the gears because you're afraid you'll lose another gear from shifting.
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Actually the p2s overclock far further than the i7s do. They recently hit 7 gigzherts while the i7 is still stuck at ~ 5 something. And for the record, AMD chips have NEVER been under the scrutiny of reliability. Just because you cannot safely overclock an AMD chip does not mean they are not reliable, it means you cant overclock. Everyone I know has their p2s up to 4.0 gigz - the same as i7s. Sorry if you cant overclock and hang with the big boys. No use in bashing AMD though, maybe try google next time
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"I've been an AMD guy the whole time I've build computers. The last setup I had was:
AMD Phenom II 940 BLAQ (yeah baby)
EVGA 285 1 gig
4gigs of crucial ballistix ddr2 1066
all sitting on a gigabyte ma-790gp-ud4h
and the system seemed like it was still lacking. I had to sell it due to issues with my pay. I got it all sorted out and turns out I didn't have to sell it at all but it has given me an opportunity to try something different.
It wasn't terribly bad but I think that last build put a bad taste in my mouth. The board I had before the Gigabyte was a MSI. That board turned out to have an issue with voltage going to the processor. It was initially set right in the bios but later somehow it changed and burned the first phenom II i had up. And the resulting trouble shooting frustrated me.
Its not like I blame AMD but I wanna try what other people are telling me is the golden side of gaming. "
Thats what I said earlier in the thread. I know the processor was never to blame I actually like the PII. But it seem the ol' chap was a die hard AMD and I was just getting him a lil riled. I really dont' have anything against them. It just sucks that people aren't willing to try somethign else. Oh and I know I can't overclock. Never said I could. Thats why I started this thread was to get more info and to start an AMD/Intel war.
But post like you feel and vent if you must. I just want information to make a decent choice and if it take ruffling feathers to find out what I want so be it.
Might wanna massage that E8500 😉 looks kinda slow.
AMD Phenom II 940 BLAQ (yeah baby)
EVGA 285 1 gig
4gigs of crucial ballistix ddr2 1066
all sitting on a gigabyte ma-790gp-ud4h
and the system seemed like it was still lacking. I had to sell it due to issues with my pay. I got it all sorted out and turns out I didn't have to sell it at all but it has given me an opportunity to try something different.
It wasn't terribly bad but I think that last build put a bad taste in my mouth. The board I had before the Gigabyte was a MSI. That board turned out to have an issue with voltage going to the processor. It was initially set right in the bios but later somehow it changed and burned the first phenom II i had up. And the resulting trouble shooting frustrated me.
Its not like I blame AMD but I wanna try what other people are telling me is the golden side of gaming. "
Thats what I said earlier in the thread. I know the processor was never to blame I actually like the PII. But it seem the ol' chap was a die hard AMD and I was just getting him a lil riled. I really dont' have anything against them. It just sucks that people aren't willing to try somethign else. Oh and I know I can't overclock. Never said I could. Thats why I started this thread was to get more info and to start an AMD/Intel war.
But post like you feel and vent if you must. I just want information to make a decent choice and if it take ruffling feathers to find out what I want so be it.
Might wanna massage that E8500 😉 looks kinda slow.
I told you way back on page one.
The i7 propaganda is a pack of lies. or you can believe it anyway.
The fact is simply what "anonymous" is telling you. It's not about the cpu. It's about grafx. Gaming is a grafx experience. In HI REZ gaming, the cpu is relegated to mainly supporting background data. The bulk in gaming is handled by the gpu.
I showed you a system that will perform as ''golden age" as it gets. Spintel does not have grafx. Nvidia does not have Direct X 11. The Phenom II will outperform the i7 920 in HIGH RESOLUTION gaming.
Note - the i7 will outperform Phenom II in LOW RESOLUTION GAMING - that's not where you are going. GoldenAge, if it exists, will refer to using monitors with VERY HIGH REZ = greater than 1900. PhenomII is part of AMD's platform approach - the platform involves all AMD parts for MAX PERFORMANCE. If you mix in other brands, they will still work. but if you want .9999 fine, there's only the real thing - but you can do compromise at lower resolutions, that will work; but that would be Silver Age. do the research. prove it to yourself.
Other people are now telling you to do what I suggested on page one. The system I showed you, as I said, is THE CHOICE according to serious and knowledgeable performance fanatics.
For that I was branded insane by the spintel lamers that dominate this forum. And they lead you astray. You do not know hardware like the people that surround you here. You want info and you are getting info.
You should be saving a few hundred by using the sys I outlined - and then put money into multiple monitors ATI EyeFinity is the golden age - as anonymous mentioned - grafx is the thing - and if there is such a thing as socalled golden age, it is NOT about the processing of background data by a cpu.
You are supposedly spending money - it doesn't matter; you won't see any improvement by pouring money into overpriced cpu's and mobo's that don't make any difference in High Resolution Gaming because they aren't the main thing, which is grafx. Simply a waste, when you should invest in support for a grafx experience.
A fool and his money are soon parted. Only a biased or misinformed individual would blindly blow excess cash on a spintel cpu/mobo. However, this is a highly biased forum in favour of the King of Antitrust. Some say that's about politics; it's about criminal activity. They don't care, they lie, and they love suckers like you - and that is why you get so much attention here - the paid spinners have a job to do; and the unpaid spinners have already been brainwashed. i7 will not get you what you really want.
I also told you not to believe me; but to do your own research. What does that tell you? And I won't spoonfeed about peripheral devices; get whatever you want there.
If you want, piss away your money. But you won't get golden age; someone else will have a better system, for less money in the cpu and mobo.
Note that - when you finish stuffing the mobo - all the rest of the pc is simply peripheral items, which are common regardless whether you choose spintel or AMD.
So, you can add any TOYS you want. But the toys you want are expensive and you can blow the budget on peripherals.
It would be nice, if you had money left over, to get something for the wife, to show appreciation, and as consideration for the fact that she will be looking at the back of your head for extensive periods of time.
Do what you like - but you have been told, long ago, and now again. If you go spintel, you have been hosed. good luck.
btw, you should reread my original post on page one.
sigh
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The i7 propaganda is a pack of lies. or you can believe it anyway.
The fact is simply what "anonymous" is telling you. It's not about the cpu. It's about grafx. Gaming is a grafx experience. In HI REZ gaming, the cpu is relegated to mainly supporting background data. The bulk in gaming is handled by the gpu.
I showed you a system that will perform as ''golden age" as it gets. Spintel does not have grafx. Nvidia does not have Direct X 11. The Phenom II will outperform the i7 920 in HIGH RESOLUTION gaming.
Note - the i7 will outperform Phenom II in LOW RESOLUTION GAMING - that's not where you are going. GoldenAge, if it exists, will refer to using monitors with VERY HIGH REZ = greater than 1900. PhenomII is part of AMD's platform approach - the platform involves all AMD parts for MAX PERFORMANCE. If you mix in other brands, they will still work. but if you want .9999 fine, there's only the real thing - but you can do compromise at lower resolutions, that will work; but that would be Silver Age. do the research. prove it to yourself.
Other people are now telling you to do what I suggested on page one. The system I showed you, as I said, is THE CHOICE according to serious and knowledgeable performance fanatics.
For that I was branded insane by the spintel lamers that dominate this forum. And they lead you astray. You do not know hardware like the people that surround you here. You want info and you are getting info.
You should be saving a few hundred by using the sys I outlined - and then put money into multiple monitors ATI EyeFinity is the golden age - as anonymous mentioned - grafx is the thing - and if there is such a thing as socalled golden age, it is NOT about the processing of background data by a cpu.
You are supposedly spending money - it doesn't matter; you won't see any improvement by pouring money into overpriced cpu's and mobo's that don't make any difference in High Resolution Gaming because they aren't the main thing, which is grafx. Simply a waste, when you should invest in support for a grafx experience.
A fool and his money are soon parted. Only a biased or misinformed individual would blindly blow excess cash on a spintel cpu/mobo. However, this is a highly biased forum in favour of the King of Antitrust. Some say that's about politics; it's about criminal activity. They don't care, they lie, and they love suckers like you - and that is why you get so much attention here - the paid spinners have a job to do; and the unpaid spinners have already been brainwashed. i7 will not get you what you really want.
I also told you not to believe me; but to do your own research. What does that tell you? And I won't spoonfeed about peripheral devices; get whatever you want there.
If you want, piss away your money. But you won't get golden age; someone else will have a better system, for less money in the cpu and mobo.
Note that - when you finish stuffing the mobo - all the rest of the pc is simply peripheral items, which are common regardless whether you choose spintel or AMD.
So, you can add any TOYS you want. But the toys you want are expensive and you can blow the budget on peripherals.
It would be nice, if you had money left over, to get something for the wife, to show appreciation, and as consideration for the fact that she will be looking at the back of your head for extensive periods of time.
Do what you like - but you have been told, long ago, and now again. If you go spintel, you have been hosed. good luck.
btw, you should reread my original post on page one.
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what sighQ2 said lol
if its a gaming rig i would go with the 550 black even if you can't unlock it its still fast, cool, cheap, and a major overclocker, i7=overkill for a gaming rig imo you don't need 8 threads for gaming, even 4 for that matter just my 2c
with only spending 100 on your cpu go with two 5870's heehee
mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130223&cm_re=msi_am3-_-13-130-223-_-Product
don't forget a:
CM HAF 922/932 (lots of airflow)
900w+ psu (corsair is very good)
4gigs of ram
and 64bit windows
finally word - just because you have close to 2k to spend on a gaming rig doesn't mean a gaming rig needs to cost close to 2k, ~1k is perfect.
if its a gaming rig i would go with the 550 black even if you can't unlock it its still fast, cool, cheap, and a major overclocker, i7=overkill for a gaming rig imo you don't need 8 threads for gaming, even 4 for that matter just my 2c
with only spending 100 on your cpu go with two 5870's heehee
mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130223&cm_re=msi_am3-_-13-130-223-_-Product
don't forget a:
CM HAF 922/932 (lots of airflow)
900w+ psu (corsair is very good)
4gigs of ram
and 64bit windows
finally word - just because you have close to 2k to spend on a gaming rig doesn't mean a gaming rig needs to cost close to 2k, ~1k is perfect.
Welcome to the "bleeding edge of technology". Whatever you buy, it will be ho hum in three to six months. Have you researched this stuff? Do you know what new tek will be out in 3-6 months? There is a concept called futureproofing, which includes considering where the tek is going in the next year or more - as far as you can predict based on research done, and knowledge of current tek. You don't know either of these things. The best thing you can do is slow it all down, get some genuine idea of what IS good, what's coming real soon, and consult other websites for expert input and second or third opinions. Buying a pc to show it off or play benchmark winner, is a ticket to depression - everybody wins but you; there is no joy in that. You need to know what you truly want, need, can use; and get your well financed ego out of the way. The ego is a hollow trap of deception. Welcome to reality. The only one who sits at your pc is you.
A good approach would be to buy some basics and leave room for upgrades or improvements; you can always do that; the key is to plan it based on research done. You don't need to buy everything right away. One monitor, one vidcard, and like that - then you see what you have, and have a better sense of what you truly would like. Give yourself half a chance; right now, you are set up for waste and disappointment. Perhaps you think differently; but this would be my approach; cos the retailers just want the money; and you want more than just some system that's supposedly o so great. Right now, there is a forecast indicator called CES show in Las Vegas, where they preview what is coming soon.
Some people here speak of better value and things being too expensive for them - that doesn't mean they are broke.
But the bleeding edge of tek is merciless - it's all out of date in a few months. A friend once told me to avoid it; and stay about a year behind the bleeding edge.
I apologize if this seems insulting. It is intended to help your immediate and future decisions. Knowledge is power. There is much danger. One must be conscious of the situation. It's like anything else; all the same; no matter what you buy.
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A good approach would be to buy some basics and leave room for upgrades or improvements; you can always do that; the key is to plan it based on research done. You don't need to buy everything right away. One monitor, one vidcard, and like that - then you see what you have, and have a better sense of what you truly would like. Give yourself half a chance; right now, you are set up for waste and disappointment. Perhaps you think differently; but this would be my approach; cos the retailers just want the money; and you want more than just some system that's supposedly o so great. Right now, there is a forecast indicator called CES show in Las Vegas, where they preview what is coming soon.
Some people here speak of better value and things being too expensive for them - that doesn't mean they are broke.
But the bleeding edge of tek is merciless - it's all out of date in a few months. A friend once told me to avoid it; and stay about a year behind the bleeding edge.
I apologize if this seems insulting. It is intended to help your immediate and future decisions. Knowledge is power. There is much danger. One must be conscious of the situation. It's like anything else; all the same; no matter what you buy.
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Why the hell is everyone suggesting such overkill GPUs?
What res is he playing? if it isn't 25x16 w/mas details on Crysis you guys are all idiots for recommending CF 5870/5850.
What res is he playing? if it isn't 25x16 w/mas details on Crysis you guys are all idiots for recommending CF 5870/5850.
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Why the hell all the i7 hate suddenly? The guy wants to go nuts with his computer and wants the best of the best. Sure i7 doesn't do much for gaming, but he has it there incase he ever does something besides gaming.
Jenny, though it looks like you might have been banned again for some unknown reason since your posts come up as "anonymous", the i7 isn't needed for gaming, your right, but it still is the fastest processor and he wants that piece of mind and maybe he will do some 3d rendering or HD encoding later on.
SighQ2, where do I start?
SuperFly, we went over this, he wants more than he needs, sorry if that offends you.
You know I remember building a system for a boss of mine. His kid liked to game and he told me "Price no object, give me the best gaming system money can buy" so I slapped in three 8800 GTXs and water cooled them. Those were horrible overkill at the time, but not now.
Jenny, though it looks like you might have been banned again for some unknown reason since your posts come up as "anonymous", the i7 isn't needed for gaming, your right, but it still is the fastest processor and he wants that piece of mind and maybe he will do some 3d rendering or HD encoding later on.
SighQ2, where do I start?
SuperFly, we went over this, he wants more than he needs, sorry if that offends you.
You know I remember building a system for a boss of mine. His kid liked to game and he told me "Price no object, give me the best gaming system money can buy" so I slapped in three 8800 GTXs and water cooled them. Those were horrible overkill at the time, but not now.
While that is true, the Phenom isn't *bad* at anything. I'm sure he can live with a minute extra rendering time, 30 seconds winrar etc once a month. Surely having 2-5 fps most of the time in most modern games is better? That's why I'm saying the Phenom II is the better gaming choice.
No not banned again lol. There is a problem with new signups I think, at least I'm not getting any emails so every 3 days or so my posts go to 'anonymous' and I have to reregister.
He might want to do some encoding later, but a Phenom II can encode quite fine - especially for a non professional.
He wants a gaming rig, the Phenom II consistently performs a few fps better at max settings. This is what is important - not future encoding needs.
AMD people dont tell professionals to buy a Phenom II just because they might want to game later so why tell a gamer to buy an i7 just because he might want to render something later? It's not i7 hate, it's common sense.
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werxen :
Actually the p2s overclock far further than the i7s do. They recently hit 7 gigzherts while the i7 is still stuck at ~ 5 something. And for the record, AMD chips have NEVER been under the scrutiny of reliability. Just because you cannot safely overclock an AMD chip does not mean they are not reliable, it means you cant overclock. Everyone I know has their p2s up to 4.0 gigz - the same as i7s. Sorry if you cant overclock and hang with the big boys. No use in bashing AMD though, maybe try google next time
LN2 overclocks are worthless. On air or water i7 will clock much higher than pII so no, your point does not stand.
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