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1: Most of those countless poor souls you are referring to are the same person. Its like an ongoing saga (sound familiar?)

2: Most people that get an ES would probably just keep it or return it without
notifying Intel

3: Of those that DO contact Intel, do you actually think its costs them more than a pittance to replace their chips with a better model? (Especially when you compare that to the revenue they are losing by having retailers sell ESes which were not paid for rather than OEM chips, which are paid for?)

I don't think anything LordGeek claimed was that far fetched. From Intel's standpoint, its just good business and helps IMPROVE their bottom line. From and economic theory standpoint, they are NOT giving away free stuff here folks. They are paying their customer to watch their retailers.

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I agree and Hergie raises some good points.

The majority of the cost with µP is in stuff like R&D, upgrading fabs, etc. The actual cost to produce the silicon is minimal. In fact, they probably paid as much to have the actual QX6700 manufactured as they did to have it packaged and shipped.

Pit that against the thousands of $$$ they're likely losing in the sale of ES chips, and it really makes sense. Intel's still making money out of the deal, and they were able to get some good PR to boot.

I don't know about selling ES chips (e.g. Some retailers might have permission to sell ES chips), but I'm sure if they're selling ES chips and labelling them 'OEM', there's a lot Intel can do legally.
 
Note: it's a little cynical to refuse to believe that a corporation would do something nice for someone who bought their product and got screwed.

I agree there's room for skeptecism, but you have to draw the line somewhere.

Good for you lordgeek.

Also, it is a shame you wasted such a good system on 1950XTX's :) It's gonna suck in a year when all of those DX10 games run like garbage on your uber system :?
 
I know that where I used to work, engineering samples were used by the test and development teams within the company to run all kinds of tests on new processors, sometimes 6 months before release to the public. Depending on the type of testing performed by various teams (such as thermal design or system benchmark) samples would come in lots anywhere from 1 to 100. They weren't usually given to employees as gifts, since they were necessary for people to do their jobs. Its simply a requirement that if your job was to test servers for compatibility with the latest processor, you had to actually have the latest processor. Usually, after all of the testing was done, there would be cpu's left over (if they still worked after a 24-hour run thru the ovens).

8)

p.s. On a personal note, something that irritates me about some of the people replying here is that, in my humble opinion, they sound like greedy, lazy, infantile whiners that want something for nothing. I know that's typical human behavior - you see someone get something good for doing something right, and suddenly you feel like you too are entitled to get the same thing.

Also, some people won't believe what you tell them, even if you're standing right in front of them with the proof in your hand. I've been watching this thread since it started, and I see no reason to think LordGeek is being anything but honest. The reason he just joined (whether to ask his initial question or because he just thought of a cool new screen name or whatever) is irrelevant. Just my opinion.
Congrats LordGeek!
 
How would I qualify for an NDA? I don't do anything that would lead them to let me get an ES chip- they'd simply be giving me a free chip. It's not like I run a review site...hmm. Would anybody be willing to read reviews at MUEngineerTech.com? All the reviews of all the free stuff that vendors are willing to send me! :lol:

EDIT: Just kidding, I have nowhere near the time to run a real review site. I guess I'll just have to buy stuff like all of the rest of us.
 
Someone mentioned earlier in the post that THG couldn't even get a Kentsfield through 'official' channels.

Funny, though, because Intel touted the THG benchmarks afterwards lol.
 
Also, some people won't believe what you tell them, even if you're standing right in front of them with the proof in your hand.
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Then I guess you don't want to read the Forumz' take on AMDzone's X2 3600+ Brisbane review. [shakes head] That is MUCH worse than the people here. Must be all those stupid law shows that corrupt the kids here or something with demanding ironclad proof that something happened.
 
Did you click on the links and read the info at the intel sight? It does not say if you get an engineering sample report it to us right away and we will not only send you a cpu we will send you a better than what you wanted cpu.

It says..............directly on intels sight


"If you have received an engineering sample processor from a vendor, and you would like a production processor, contact your vendor for replacement information."
 
I agree.

All I can say is props to Intel for doing that.... like people have said they could have done nothing. Or given rightly a x6800.

Congrats Lord, I'm glad it worked out for you.

My vote for the best thread ever. It read like a novel.

Regards to all,
Howard
 
I don't know if a couple of extra pictures and screenshots is out of the ordinary, or ironclad proof..... chill a little, I am not asking any more, I do not want the thread to fall into chaos.

wes
 
LOL :lol:

Yea and I work for the FBI :roll:


I work for a State Agency and have been there for a long time. Do I know everthing about every policy and every state agency in the state? No.


No........so logic dictates that if I get a call about a state agency that might be up to no good you say report it of course. I don't know if it is right or wrong or what ever that is what you do. That is the logical answer.

"I just got robbed" ............call the police. "I lost my dog"......call the pound.
"They sold me a bad CPU" call Intell.............Anyone can give you that kind of advice.
 
Your absolutely right. The point is, they gave him that advice, he contacted Intel, and got a better (though not much more expensive) chip in the process, in exchange for potentially saving Intel some money.

What is so hard to beleive about that?

RESTRICTION ON MOVEMENT. You shall not lease, sublease, sell, rent, assign, or otherwise transfer, distribute or dispose of the Pre-Release Product and any accompanying materials. You shall not remove, move, or relocate the Pre-Release Product, including any accompanying material, from its "Ship To Location" without prior written approval from Intel.
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From Intel's pre-release terms and conditions. This, along with other language gives them the right to take legal action against anyone selling their chips in violation of the above agreement.
 
At first I did believe him and was very happy for him. Then after reading all the posts I decided to look into it myself.

Then I found out that this is quite a common thing and you can even buy the cpus on Ebay. Then when I saw the info on Intells sight saying that if you get one of these chips contact the vendor for a replacement.

Also it happened way too fast. He got that new cpu fast. And we get a picture of it still in the box. What about a pictue of the box it came in with the address on it showing where it was shipped from. Did they inclose an invoice or a note? It just did not seem to add up. They give him a better cpu....

Look at all the reviews on price watch and reseller ratings with complaints about the selling of these cpus........and he can't tell us who sold it to him>?

I just don't know............if it is too good to be true then.........you know the rest. :wink:
 
I didn't say whether I believed him or not, I just said its an entirely plausible story.

We all know that fraud is all over the internet, thats nothing new. As for ebay, apparently its fine to sell them after the pre-release period is up, as long as they are sold AS ES chips. (at least thats what I got from this thread).

The problem with these companies is that they are selling them as OEM, and every one of them that does that could be turned in to Intel and sued, since Intel does NOT get any revenue from the sale of these chips, whereas with OEM chips they would. Furthermore, some of them are committing another form of fraud in that these chips have no warranty, whereas OEM chips do.

Whether its true or not, I don't care. It was a good story, and if Intel IS taking action against the vendor, than he would NOT be able to tell us said vendors name.
 
Interesting points hergieburbur. I believe it is very plausible as well. Not only that I believe the story. I've seen so called honest church going people do crazy things in the name of money. So its not far fetched at all to see someone selling a ES intel CPU disguised as a brand new OEM.

As far as why Intel would not want LordGreek to tell who the etailer is, I have some answers:

1. They don't want to get sued by the etailer for slander. Even though it might be true, they don't want to spend more money on lawyers.
2. They don't want to send out more free processors than they have to.
3. Having one of their certified retailers branded as dishonest and shady is not good advertising for them. The average joes out there can't distinguish between retailer and manufacturer.
 
I think if you go back and read some of my posts and check out my links my arguement that it is possibly a fake is logical. :wink:


Here is a link for pricewatch.


http://www.pricewatch.com/public/feedback.aspx?q=1963&i=1

Read the reviews: This is not slander no one gets sued so how could Intell. This appears to be common practice with some retailers.....you can find the cpus on ebay.

I would say that Intel would send him a cpu if he purchased it from them but no free one. Check out this link as well...

http://www.intel.com/support/processors/sb/cs-001616.htm
 
Nobody said your argument isn't logical. It makes just as much sense as the argument for believing.

As for proof, as I said, its impossible to prove it to everyone. He can show pics of the proc and CPU-Z screenshots, but that proves nothing. He could have went out and bought one and be using that, if its that big of a ruse. He could show a packing slip, but that could possibly be from a warranty return. People will believe what they want to believe. Its part of life.

BTW, if you look at the pictures he took, they are inconsistent with taking them in a store (lighting is too dark), so he would probably have to buy it if this is a ruse, and if so, good for him.
 
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