What We Know About The GTX 2080 (And Why It May Not Matter)

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The prices of the new hardware is not attractive any more for gamers. Eve with the low price of many more games, it doesn´t matter. I think ill just stick with console games for some time and jus playing old games on pc.
 


lol I have same specs brother I feel you there, I even delided my 4790k and slapped some conductonaut under the tim wow what a difference under load that made 18c on average. was so easy with a bench vice no worries of breaking anything youtube easy way to delide 4790k if you haven't done so I recommend it but take your time and silicone or clear coat finger nail polish the circuitry under the tim before applying the liquid metal but seriously was unable to oc past 4.6 I can now hit 4.9 without crash but I don't run full time past 4.8 man what a dream.
 


I'm @4.7 w/ the H-105 on stock fans (top-mount/intake) and stock Corsair compound, lol! Idle about 22*C and game around 47-52*C (avg). I've read up on the delidding, but give it a pass as I've got hands like Jack Elam's doc from Cannon Ball Run. 4.9 is preety damn good man!

 
I'd like to see extensions to GeForce Experience for multi-channel audio and for dynamic overlays (such a keyboard overlay which changes depending on key press or mouse motion...versus a static PNG available only when broadcasting).

It's easy to add static content after a video recording, it is difficult to add key strokes and positional audio for tutorials and demonstrations (positional audio can be key to some demonstrations). Third party applications can be good at one aspect or another, but tend to be a real pain in bringing them all together at one time. This would be an addition to software and wouldn't require more hardware. Considering the power of the current generation of GPUs, and the possibility that this next generation won't be centered on large leaps in performance, a feature release to the software (and which even the current generation could take advantage of) would seem to make the hardware more useful at a given level of user setup effort.
 


Exactly one major contributing factor to the failure of the Wii U.
 
@Sam Hain
Well, duh, the 1080 Ti is second only to the insane Titan V. 4790K doesn't matter, only minimal FPS difference compared to today's top CPUs. And if overclocked, it could be better than a stock current Gen i7. My 4.5 GHz 4770K and 1070 gets the same FPS at 1440P than my bro with a stock 7700K and 1070 at 1440P.
 


The only possible name for the next generation GTXs will be $$80, $$70, and $$60 :lol:

...until they release their performance successors $$80buy and $$70buy

Too subliminal?
 
I don't know what to think anymore. There's so much supposition from so many different angles, based on so many rumors and half truths that trying to keep up with the Joneses has become not just a job, but just as much a waste of braincell power.

At 1080p a 1070 covers anything decent-overkill. At 1440p a 1080,at 4k a 1080ti. Without a significant change in gaming codes and how they are used (someone please wake up the DX12 devs) any further power is pretty much moot. There's only 1 change I'd welcome to the gpu, a card that's useless for miners.
 
I'm not too excited about the "next gen" cards. I think that they will be priced out of reach of the average person. I'm running a 6700K @4.7ghz with 1080SLI and I get 60fps in most games and in the games I don't I have a g-sync monitor., so I don't notice the frame rate drops.

Mers law says that every 2 years they will bring out a CPU that is twice as fast as the last generation. So that's 2020. I see no point in upgrading at this point - maybe games coming out late this year will give my computer a run for it's money, but I'll just drop some settings, not paying nearly $2000 AU for 1 video card. I won't be upgrading until 2020, hopefully this mining curbs and the next gen CPU's and Video cards will be out by then, and hopefully a bit cheaper. I'd like to get rid of SLI - but as yet there is not a video card that can run all games at 4K ultra settings. I can't wait until I can run that resolution on 1 card. Sweet :)
 
"Well, duh, the 1080 Ti is second only to the insane Titan V. 4790K doesn't matter, only minimal FPS difference compared to today's top CPUs. And if overclocked, it could be better than a stock current Gen i7. My 4.5 GHz 4770K and 1070 gets the same FPS at 1440P than my bro with a stock 7700K and 1070 at 1440P."

Not really...you also have the Titan Xp above the 1080ti. Some of the high end insane factory overclocked 1080tis are probably pretty close to the $3k Titan V though.

As for the 4790K, if game devs code like Ubi did with ACO, 4 core cpus may be outdated sooner than we think. Could be that double-drm ubi used, though they claim its all the game engine pushing quad cores so hard.
 
"I'd like to get rid of SLI - but as yet there is not a video card that can run all games at 4K ultra settings"

Titan V, maybe, though its a ridiculous price.

You might be forced to ditch mgpu anyways, support lately even with Nvidia's usually excellent driver team has been really spotty. AC O seems to be Ubi's fault, nothing Nvidia can do until they "flip the switch" on their end. FFXV has SLI support, but not through Nvidia, you have to get a 3rd party custom profile to get it to work well with all the graphics features enabled.
 


I've already seen things out there that suggest just this. Now, how true is another matter though. We won't really know until NVidia starts talking publicly about the next GPU cards.
 


RTX will be soon use in games . Metro Exodus most likely going to use it making it the 1st commercial game to officially use the feature. Right now only volta have the specific hardware to run real time ray tracing with acceptable performance. Refresh pascal will not going to have that capability. this RTX will be GPU maker new scheme to sell new hardware. nvidia need those with 1080/1080ti to upgrade to new card even if 1080ti is considered as very fast even for future games.
 
I'm just sad that a hobby I enjoy and a market that already seemed to be iffy due to handheld devices is now pretty much cutoff at the knees.
Most Hobbyists can't afford to play at this price point for ram and video cards. It was already an expensive hobby before this.
The Home Desktop PC already had a questionable future for all but the few Professionals and Gamers that wanted it.
Most people are getting what they need out of their phones, tablets, laptops or consoles at this point.
If market pricing doesn't rectify itself in a year or so (guessing) it may be just enough to completely kill the home desktop PC for everyone but the professionals (including crypto miners) that absolutely must have one.
 
thanks for the article. Its about time someone spoke about the elephant in the room (coin mining) when talking about gpus and new units to hit the market. Until the mining issue goes away any new product launches aren't going to mean a darned thing to the gamers out there as the prices have completely gone insane. Thumbs up for this peice from me, your summery of the issue is spot on.

Its a shame we're at the point where we can't get interested in a new product launch because of market forces which make it impossible for the intended market to actually get their hands on the product.
 
The problem with next gen GPUs is that they most probably are better at mining currency than cards that are available today, so at the same moment when next generation comes out miners are gonna buy all they can get. The good new is that demand for previous generation declines somewhat....
 
I know VR is not as popular as it was hoped. I think a huge part of that problem has been graphic card prices. Personally I think the entire virtual reality industry has hurt from component prices. Also I tend to agree with the comment of wanting 4k per eye. It's been disappointing and yet very revolutionary to have virtual reality at even the level it is now. Unfortunately over all it leaves you wanting more. Some of the technology improvements like eye tracking might be able to overcome hardware limitations. I have also heard of cloud atom based graphics instead of pixel based (euclideon). The irony is that the most sold vr headset is the samsung gear followed by the playstation. This shows that cheaper systems are popular and hardware is limiting virtual reality. Nvidia might very well end up hurting their base by these crazy high prices and the gaming industry. I've heard of a lot of people buying playstations instead of building pc's based on the market and component prices.
 
@AlphaCompton Yeah. I love pc building and gaming, but have suggested against building to multiple people at this point due to crazy prices. I doubt I'll ever give up pc gaming totally but I could definitely see myself switching to console if these prices remain.
 
"...the next-gen cards should jump straight to an architecture called “Turing” that we know almost nothing about."

Then why even write an article that is full of nothing but speculation and no facts. The only thing I would agree about is that crypto currency mining will continue to destroy any viability for the regular consumer to purchase a card at MSRP other than winning the F5 Refresh contest against said 3rd party gougers. Until GPU manufacturers develop graphic cards at the hardware level which disable crypto mining capability will we see prices return to normal for '3D gaming only' GPUs. That would be the smartest thing to do for both the GPU manufacturers and for the consumers. I was lucky enough to have bought a Titan XP 20 months ago and an EVGA GTX1080Ti SC2 Hybrid 10 months ago at regular MSRP. I expect to have these cards a lot longer than originally anticipated :/
 


Companies are in business to make a product that sales. The bottom line is how much they make and not what the consumer does with the product. The only thing they are concerned with is if the bubble burst, which is all they ever mention. So I doubt they care much if you use the cards for mining, burning, or playing your games. Which is why they won't disable mining.

 
...however for CG rendering there is no "overkill" when it comes to VRAM. With 1080 Ti's priced over 1,000$ (I've seen them as high as 1,400$) and Titan XPs pushing 1,700$ It almost becomes more worth it to go for a Quadro P5000.

Yeah I get a bit of flack form many in the CG community about Quadros not having the high core count of a 1080 Ti or Titan, but in this biz, VRAM trumps cores for if you create extremely large detailed scenes and render in large format resolutions, you're going to need all the memory you can get. Once a render process dumps to the CPU (Iray), those extra thousand or so CUDA cores mean nothing and you are stuck in the "slow lane" which can take hours, if not days. 16 GB pretty much would cover 100% of the scenes I create. If I want more cores for speed, I'll look around for a Tesla K10 compute card (for a few hundred on ebay) and slap that in. Bang, I now have 3072 more cores to add to the P5000.
 
I tend to agree - if Nvidia puts out a more powerful card then this is what miners are going to focus on the most if the price makes sense and this will guarantee a drop pricing on the 1080's as the demand cools down and especially on older generations - it all depends what the Hash rate to Price ends up being for that scenario to play out... Current miners would flood ebay/amazon/craigslist with used GPU's and what costs $1100 today might drop to $500 tomorrow... They'll all try to get as much $ for the cards as they can and upgrade to the new generation to stay competitive with other miners as they are only focused on their profits... It'll be pretty interesting in any case to watch it play out...
 
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