Good point there. If AMD has trouble with 0.13m and are arranging it, so be it. It's better than rushing out an unfinished 0.13m Tbred that has overclocking problems.
Interesting...I checked here, Anandtech and even AMDZone and didn't see anything about a 2800+. Do you remember where you saw that?
With the likes of Matisaro creeping around, I gotta keep my combat hat on and combat boots clean of fecal matter.