whats so good about 64bit cpus?

[nesck]

Show me one that meets price/performance of current CPUs.

I've already made clear, many times.

The 64bit capability on the Athlon 64, DOES NOT MAKE PERFORMANCE HIGHER ON 32BIT APPLICATIONS AND OPERATING SYSTEMS.

 

[purplerat]

Microsoft expects people to spend their week's pay to run windows for 1 hour instead of buying / getting food and water.

I thought this thread was about proccessors, not Microsoft. Are you aware Microsoft does not make CPUs?

 

[JonathanDeane]

http://news.com.com/Microsoft+pitches+pay-as-you-go+PCs/2100-1003_3-6074589.html

It turns out Microsoft is now stripping even the poor of their wallets. After you buy the computer with the pay as you go system, you pay about 2x the price of the computer.

Here is your error message, "Please insert a card code to continue unrestricted use." translated to "PLEASE INSERT 10 DOLLARS TO CONTINUE TO RUN WINDOWS"

I think at that point I would resort to either Linux as I go or Pirate as I go LOL

 

[purplerat]

Quote:
Show me one that meets price/performance of current CPUs.


I've already made clear, many times.

The 64bit capability on the Athlon 64, DOES NOT MAKE PERFORMANCE HIGHER ON 32BIT APPLICATIONS AND OPERATING SYSTEMS.

No I'm not kidding, really show me a 32bit CPU that matches a current CPU price/performance. I have an old socket A system, but it is too slow for me, If I could find a cheap AthlonXP that matches any of todays CPUs I would buy it in a heart beat.

 

[nesck]

I thought this thread was about proccessors, not Microsoft. Are you aware Microsoft does not make CPUs?[/quote]

I think microsoft is playing a role in the 64bit movement, making vista "vital".

http://news.com.com/5208-1003-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=17248&messageID=149255&start=-1

I think at that point I would resort to either Linux as I go or Pirate as I go LOL

The windows vista "corporate" edition won't have activation :twisted:

No I'm not kidding, really show me a 32bit CPU that matches a current CPU price/performance. I have an old socket A system, but it is too slow for me, If I could find a cheap AthlonXP that matches any of todays CPUs I would buy it in a heart beat.

A 32bit cpu is the Athlon 64. How hard is it for you to realize that the benchmarks your comparing athlon 64 with athlon xp are in 32bit? The athlon 64 is a 32bit cpu with 64bit support. The 64bit support DOES NOT give it performance advantages running in 32bit mode!

 

[Action_Man]

The 64bit capability on the Athlon 64, DOES NOT MAKE PERFORMANCE HIGHER ON 32BIT APPLICATIONS AND OPERATING SYSTEMS.

When did anyone say it did? You seem to be arguing with yourself in this thread.

 

[nesck]

The 64bit capability on the Athlon 64, DOES NOT MAKE PERFORMANCE HIGHER ON 32BIT APPLICATIONS AND OPERATING SYSTEMS.

When did anyone say it did? You seem to be arguing with yourself in this thread.

purplerat did.

 

[Action_Man]

The windows vista "corporate" edition won't have activation

When have they?

purplerat did.

Hes a noob, much like yourself.

You should take my advice too.

 

[Action_Man]

Also why are you downvoting everyone who disagrees with you? Is it because you're wrong and an idiot.

 

[purplerat]

Uh, wasn't linux 64 bit way before windows? I guess they're trying to rip people off with FREE software. Seriously though if you think this is some conspiracy buy microsoft then you must be either for stupid or just plain crazy. XP to Vista has been the longest by far for microsoft so obviously it will require major upgrades. And it isn't going to be "vital" the day after it's released. Seeing as 64bit CPUs have been around way before Vista was even called Vista, and the amount of time between it's release and when it's a necessity only loons like you should be worried about the upgrade from 32 to 64.

 

[SidVicious]

The Sempron and celeron family doesn't support 64bit for the reason that it adds to the cost of the cpu. Not only that, but upgrading means you really need to buy a new computer just to support 64bit.

Actually both do. Enough said you are an idiot.

edit- Sempron 64 = 69.97, Celeron w/EM64T = 39.99. Where are they packing in the extra cost?

You just solidly owned him there (and many times more), welcome to THGC :lol:

@ nesck :

I don't consider that upgrading from an obsolescent Abit NF7-S paired up with an XP-M @ 2.6GHz to my current (and quite modest) 'rig back in December was an unresoneable purchase (I traded a game character for my current AGP 7800GS a few weeks ago just to save on the motherboard, I'm that cheap), while some people here went from Socket A nF2 to S754 nF3 to S754 nF3-250 (new mobo just for the kicks) to S939 nF3-250 (new CPU) to S939 nF4 (new mobo, dual core CPU and SLI GPU) to AM2 nF5 (hell, its new!) in the meantime.

As for the "3200+ Barton > its A64 counterpart", it only happened in your own mind, countless benchmarks and reviews say otherwise.

I'll give you two very simple 8bit instructions :

Put foil hat on head

Crawl back under rock

 

[purplerat]

when did I ever say it gave a performance increase? I said it EVENTUALLY will.

 

[nesck]

You are all still debating how 32bit sucks by comparing legacy 32bit supported only cpu, with the last greatest cpu's released. You still haven't told me why 64bit is better than 32bit.

when did I ever say it gave a performance increase? I said it EVENTUALLY will.

How will it?

 

[Action_Man]

You are all still debating how 32bit sucks by comparing legacy 32bit supported only cpu, with the last greatest cpu's released.

News flash there are no latest and greatest 32bit only cpus.

You still haven't told me why 64bit is better than 32bit.

I already did dipsh!t. Extra registers, cleaner isa and extra memory addressing.

Get over it and STFU!

 

[nesck]

You are all still debating how 32bit sucks by comparing legacy 32bit supported only cpu, with the last greatest cpu's released.

News flash there are no latest and greatest 32bit only cpus.

You still haven't told me why 64bit is better than 32bit.

I already did dipsh!t. Extra registers, cleaner isa and extra memory addressing.

Get over it and STFU!

Your wrong,
1. 64bit cpu has 64bit wide registers, not extra registers.
2. cleaner isa? You have no idea what ur talking about, nothing is cleaner about it
3. Extra memory addressing can already be achieved in 32bit, known as PAE, its been supported since pentium pro was out.

You given me no performance benefits what so ever that 64bit offers over 32bit

 

[purplerat]

How will it?

While this has already been stated, Ill reiterate once more before bed. Handling more data will make computing more efficient. ie 16bit to 32 bit. While it's not a noticable differnce today I'm willing to wager that computers will make at least some progress in the future, thus benifeting from said improvements.

 

[nesck]

How will it?

While this has already been stated, Ill reiterate once more before bed. Handling more data will make computing more efficient. ie 16bit to 32 bit. While it's not a noticable differnce today I'm willing to wager that computers will make at least some progress in the future, thus benifeting from said improvements.

No, it has not been stated. Thats why I am asking for one reason.

Handling more data makes a computer LESS efficient, since it must do much calculations just to achieve the same result.

 

[Action_Man]

1. 64bit cpu has 64bit wide registers, not extra registers.

Please throw yourself in front of an oncoming bus.

Whats that then?

2. cleaner isa? You have no idea what ur talking about, nothing is cleaner about it

Yes it is you moron. x87, MMX and 3Dnow are no longer available, they got rid of the unused rings (1 and 2) and some other crap.

3. Extra memory addressing can already be achieved in 32bit, known as PAE, its been supported since pentium pro was out.

Do some proper research on it moron.

 

[nesck]

1. 64bit cpu has 64bit wide registers, not extra registers.

Please throw yourself in front of an oncoming bus.

Whats that then?

Do some proper research on it moron.

That is for 32bit and 64bit support. A true cpu with 64bit support doesn't have that added, get ur facts straight.

Do you see what the word "added" means in that picture?
good game, you truely don't know what your talking about.

 

[purplerat]

So are you saying that 64bit processors are not as efficient then if they were 32bit. THAT'S IT!!! Forget 4X4 AMD, just go back to 32bit CPUs and you'll retake the performance crown!!!! You're a freaking genius nesk!!!

 

[Snow_Mann]

You STILL have not explained why Windows Vista starter edition will only support up to 256mb of ram.

I think it may be important to consider that even if vista starter could support more ram the computers its running on probably arent going to be in a position to exceed that limit due to budget constraints

 

[Action_Man]

That is for 32bit and 64bit support. A true cpu with 64bit support doesn't have that added, get ur facts straight.

Do you see what the word "added" means in that picture?
good game, you truely don't know what your talking about.

You are such a fockwit. I don't have the words to describe just how stupid you are.

 

[nesck]

So are you saying that 64bit processors are not as efficient then if they were 32bit. THAT'S IT!!! Forget 4X4 AMD, just go back to 32bit CPUs and you'll retake the performance crown!!!! You're a freaking genius nesk!!!

No, 4x4 AMD supports 32bit, you still have not awnsered the question is 64bit better than 32bit? How?

 

[nesck]

You STILL have not explained why Windows Vista starter edition will only support up to 256mb of ram.

I think it may be important to consider that even if vista starter could support more ram the computers its running on probably arent going to be in a position to exceed that limit due to budget constraints

But why would they put those limits in anyways? They could easily make it 4gb. They took time and effort to make the operating system WORSE. Imagine someone buying a brand new car, (windows vista home edition), then hitting it with a bat to make it (windows vista starter edition). All I see is the desire for money for them to do this.

 

[purplerat]

WTF, do you have ADD? I answered it about 5min ago.