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Well, we live in an era of 'instant PC Experts'
the typical'my brother in law-sez, ......., and the secretary at work.....
roof is needed not rumors.
I've had the update for 4 days and nothing has raised an ugly head yet.
"Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
news:eqDybF5JFHA.2772@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> It is just what people are saying. I don't have any proof.
>
> "SFB - KB3MM" <Mickey@MouseHouse.com> wrote in message
> news:%23cwdfB5JFHA.1528@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> : Any particular boards?
> :
> : Is this well founded and some one has absolute proof, or just some one
> : saying it must be ...?
> :
> : "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
> : news:eNc9wh4JFHA.2772@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> : > Read the discussion boards and you will see that it is causing havoc
with
> : > some user's machines and associated software and/or hardware. For
some
> of
> : > the users baddies are definately involved but definately not with all
the
> : > users.
> : >
> : > "SFB - KB3MM" <Mickey@MouseHouse.com> wrote in message
> : > news:ObT$hW4JFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> : > : Whata's the downside of this update?
> : > :
> : > : "Ivan Bútora" <xxx@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
> : > : news:udwK9H4JFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> : > : > Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to
> : install
> : > : it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these
> updates
> : in
> : > : general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on
the
> : other
> : > : hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the
> : > : inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch
is
> : far
> : > : greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in
mind
> : > that
> : > : there have been several updates this year considered "important" for
> : > Windows
> : > : 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed
out,
> : the
> : > : difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so
> : > significant
> : > : in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is*
> : > : vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure
all
> : the
> : > : time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not
having
> : this
> : > : one patch installed.
> : > : >
> : > : > And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running
WITHOUT
> : > : anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I
> would
> : > run
> : > : a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing
found
> : > other
> : > : than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is
> being
> : > : aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet.
> : > : >
> : > : > Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what
I
> : do
> : > : know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this
manner,
> : > : without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently
> : > without
> : > : testing in dial-up systems, etc.
> : > : >
> : > : >
> : > : >
> : > : > "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
> : > : news:%23v8mrb0JFHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> : > : > > According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that
has
> : as
> : > : of now
> : > : > > not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this
> critical
> : > : update
> : > : > > because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to
> : > : compromise
> : > : > > all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have
> not
> : > : been
> : > : > > updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be
a
> : > : maximum of
> : > : > > 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is
connected
> to
> : > the
> : > : > > Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running
> because
> : I
> : > : am
> : > : > > sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but
> : this
> : > is
> : > : a
> : > : > > temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while
> : on-line.
> : > : If
> : > : > > programs are not responding then discover why. People you need
> this
> : > : CRITICAL
> : > : > > PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the
> : patch
> : > : because
> : > : > > of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet
cable,
> : USB
> : > : cable
> : > : > > or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do
not
> : do
> : > : this
> : > : > > and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for
> : your
> : > : system
> : > : > > to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although
I
> : know
> : > a
> : > : lot
> : > : > > about security on computers and weak access points and could
> : probably
> : > do
> : > : it
> : > : > > without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with
> keeping
> : > the
> : > : > > U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try
> and
> : > get
> : > : one
> : > : > > small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the
> : > : terriorists and
> : > : > > finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can
help
> : you
> : > : with
> : > : > > your computer problems. Have a nice day!
> : > : > >
> : > : > > "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message
> : > news:42330B5D.1F0A641A@Guy.com...
> : > : > > :
> : > : > > : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look here:
> : > : > > :
> : > : > > :
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS05-002.mspx
> : > : > > :
> : > : > > : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past
> week)
> : > : > > : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
> : > : > > : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the
> : background.
> : > : > > : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any
such
> : > update
> : > : > > : or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of
> : simply
> : > : > > : replacing an existing file).
> : > : > > :
> : > : > > : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is
> : critical
> : > : > > : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply
> : > deactivating
> : > : > > : it (via msconfig).
> : > : > > :
> : > : > > : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and
> : KB891711.EXE?
> : > : > > :
> : > : > > : Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe
mode
> : to
> : > : > > : properly install it) ?
> : > : > > :
> : > : > > : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
> : > : > > :
> : > : > > : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???
> : > : > >
> : > : > >
> : > :
> : >
> : >
> :
>
>
Well, we live in an era of 'instant PC Experts'
the typical'my brother in law-sez, ......., and the secretary at work.....
roof is needed not rumors.
I've had the update for 4 days and nothing has raised an ugly head yet.
"Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
news:eqDybF5JFHA.2772@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> It is just what people are saying. I don't have any proof.
>
> "SFB - KB3MM" <Mickey@MouseHouse.com> wrote in message
> news:%23cwdfB5JFHA.1528@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> : Any particular boards?
> :
> : Is this well founded and some one has absolute proof, or just some one
> : saying it must be ...?
> :
> : "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
> : news:eNc9wh4JFHA.2772@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> : > Read the discussion boards and you will see that it is causing havoc
with
> : > some user's machines and associated software and/or hardware. For
some
> of
> : > the users baddies are definately involved but definately not with all
the
> : > users.
> : >
> : > "SFB - KB3MM" <Mickey@MouseHouse.com> wrote in message
> : > news:ObT$hW4JFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> : > : Whata's the downside of this update?
> : > :
> : > : "Ivan Bútora" <xxx@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
> : > : news:udwK9H4JFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> : > : > Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I want to
> : install
> : > : it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install these
> updates
> : in
> : > : general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But on
the
> : other
> : > : hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the
> : > : inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this patch
is
> : far
> : > : greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine. Keep in
mind
> : > that
> : > : there have been several updates this year considered "important" for
> : > Windows
> : > : 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune pointed
out,
> : the
> : > : difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so
> : > significant
> : > : in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine probably *is*
> : > : vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100% secure
all
> : the
> : > : time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about not
having
> : this
> : > : one patch installed.
> : > : >
> : > : > And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running
WITHOUT
> : > : anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I decided I
> would
> : > run
> : > : a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what - nothing
found
> : > other
> : > : than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is
> being
> : > : aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet.
> : > : >
> : > : > Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was, but what
I
> : do
> : > : know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this
manner,
> : > : without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently
> : > without
> : > : testing in dial-up systems, etc.
> : > : >
> : > : >
> : > : >
> : > : > "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
> : > : news:%23v8mrb0JFHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> : > : > > According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update that
has
> : as
> : > : of now
> : > : > > not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need this
> critical
> : > : update
> : > : > > because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to
> : > : compromise
> : > : > > all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch and have
> not
> : > : been
> : > : > > updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers will be
a
> : > : maximum of
> : > : > > 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is
connected
> to
> : > the
> : > : > > Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE" running
> because
> : I
> : > : am
> : > : > > sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better fix but
> : this
> : > is
> : > : a
> : > : > > temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe while
> : on-line.
> : > : If
> : > : > > programs are not responding then discover why. People you need
> this
> : > : CRITICAL
> : > : > > PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run with the
> : patch
> : > : because
> : > : > > of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove Ethernet
cable,
> : USB
> : > : cable
> : > : > > or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if you do
not
> : do
> : > : this
> : > : > > and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just asking for
> : your
> : > : system
> : > : > > to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends although
I
> : know
> : > a
> : > : lot
> : > : > > about security on computers and weak access points and could
> : probably
> : > do
> : > : it
> : > : > > without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is with
> keeping
> : > the
> : > : > > U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers to try
> and
> : > get
> : > : one
> : > : > > small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the
> : > : terriorists and
> : > : > > finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others can
help
> : you
> : > : with
> : > : > > your computer problems. Have a nice day!
> : > : > >
> : > : > > "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message
> : > news:42330B5D.1F0A641A@Guy.com...
> : > : > > :
> : > : > > : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look here:
> : > : > > :
> : > : > > :
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS05-002.mspx
> : > : > > :
> : > : > > : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past
> week)
> : > : > > : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
> : > : > > : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the
> : background.
> : > : > > : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time any
such
> : > update
> : > : > > : or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of
> : simply
> : > : > > : replacing an existing file).
> : > : > > :
> : > : > > : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is
> : critical
> : > : > > : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply
> : > deactivating
> : > : > > : it (via msconfig).
> : > : > > :
> : > : > > : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and
> : KB891711.EXE?
> : > : > > :
> : > : > > : Is there anything special about it (like running it in safe
mode
> : to
> : > : > > : properly install it) ?
> : > : > > :
> : > : > > : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
> : > : > > :
> : > : > > : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???
> : > : > >
> : > : > >
> : > :
> : >
> : >
> :
>
>
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