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Get Thunderbird to open this:

news://news.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.win98.setup

or

news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.win98.setup

or

news://news.microsoft.com:119/microsoft.public.win98.setup

or

news://msnews.microsoft.com:119/microsoft.public.win98.setup

Tip: Set Thunderbird as your default newsreader.
Start>Settings>Control Panel>Internet Options>Programs Tab...

John

Dan wrote:

> John, I like Mozilla Firefox better than IE but cannot get used to the
> Mozilla Thunderbird newsgroup as of yet. Maybe I am just too comfortable
> with Outlook Express.
>
> "John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
> news:udfMu%233JFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> : Thunderbird (free): http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/
> :
> : Pegasus Mail (free): http://www.pmail.com/overviews.htm
> :
> : Eudora (not free): http://www.eudora.com/eudoralight/
> :
> : Agent (not free): http://www.forteinc.com/agent/index.php
> :
> :
> : Many others exist. Search the net for "mail reader".
> :
> : My favorite is Thunderbird, can be had "stand alone" or part of the
> : Mozilla/Firefox "suite" http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/
> :
> : You will never go back to IE and OE once you experience the Mozilla
> : applications.
> :
> : John
> :
> :
> :
> : len gardener wrote:
> :
> : > g'day john john,
> : >
> : > i don't use oe for much is there another program similar that i can
> : > use instead?
> : >
> : > ta
> : >
> : > len
> : >
> : > snipped
>
>
 
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thanks john john,

i use oe mostly for the usenet i have e/mail readers well covered.

ta

len

snipped
--
happy gardening
'it works for me it could work for you,'

"in the end ya' gotta do what ya' gotta do" but consider others and the environment
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~gardenlen1/

my e/mail addies have spam filters you should know what to delete before you send.
 
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Ditch OE altogether.

http://www.us-cert.gov/

OE search - about 414 results found, top 250 sorted by relevance
http://search.us-cert.gov/query.html?rq=0&ht=0&qp=&qs=&qc=&pw=100%25&ws=1&la=&qm=0&st=1&nh=25&lk=1&rf=2&oq=&rq=0&si=1&qt=outlook

Been like that for years, ever since it was introduced to say the truth.
Corporate policy recommends and bans its use in many places for example:

http://www.etsii.upm.es/inforgen/ssii/cambridge.html

John

len gardener wrote:

> thanks john john,
>
> i use oe mostly for the usenet i have e/mail readers well covered.
>
> ta
>
> len
>
> snipped
 
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Wow, thanks for the warning. User is now highly thinking of making due with
posting in Mozilla Thunderbird. Have a nice day! <Hmmm, I must research
this information>

"John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:eDnELK5JFHA.3196@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
: Ditch OE altogether.
:
: http://www.us-cert.gov/
:
: OE search - about 414 results found, top 250 sorted by relevance
:
http://search.us-cert.gov/query.html?rq=0&ht=0&qp=&qs=&qc=&pw=100%25&ws=1&la=&qm=0&st=1&nh=25&lk=1&rf=2&oq=&rq=0&si=1&qt=outlook
:
: Been like that for years, ever since it was introduced to say the truth.
: Corporate policy recommends and bans its use in many places for example:
:
: http://www.etsii.upm.es/inforgen/ssii/cambridge.html
:
: John
:
: len gardener wrote:
:
: > thanks john john,
: >
: > i use oe mostly for the usenet i have e/mail readers well covered.
: >
: > ta
: >
: > len
: >
: > snipped
 
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Do you have something against all services or is the prolem just that you do
not know exactly what this service does?

"John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:OttRYm5JFHA.3596@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Dan wrote:
>
> > I just choose to continue to use Outlook Express.
>
> Good for you, keep on applying them security patches that run as services.
>
> John
 
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Security is utmost to me and I want to get a firewall that blocks attacks and
then attacks the hacker shutting down their complete network just like the
U.S. military uses.

"SFB - KB3MM" <Mickey@MouseHouse.com> wrote in message
news:%23CGI109JFHA.2136@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
: Do you have something against all services or is the prolem just that you
do
: not know exactly what this service does?
:
: "John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
: news:OttRYm5JFHA.3596@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
: > Dan wrote:
: >
: > > I just choose to continue to use Outlook Express.
: >
: > Good for you, keep on applying them security patches that run as
services.
: >
: > John
:
 
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Interesting:

------------------------

http://isc.sans.org/

7sir7 Mass Hack Update / DNS Cache Poisoning / Phishing with a twist

Entire web farms hacked to serve up the 7sir7 redirect

We have received reports and evidence that a number of companies that
provide shared hosting web servers have had their servers exploited
and all of the customer homepages modified so that visitors are
attacked. In one case, a Perl script was used to modify each customers
homepage with the additional IFRAME snippet that fellow handler Lorna
had already reported in the diary two days ago. The Perl script reads
in the web server configuration (httpd.conf) on a compromised server,
and then appends the malicious iframe code to all the index.html pages
of all the virtual hosts available on this server. The same reader
(thanks, Clive!) who managed to isolate this script has also
contributed a script written by himself to clean up the affected
pages. If you shout loud enough, we might include it in tomorrow's
diary 🙂

The page at 7sir7 is making use of several recent vulnerabilities in
order to download and install malware on the PC of whoever visits the
site.

- Exploits the .ANI cursor vulnerability (MS05-002)
^^^^^^^^
- Exploits the HTML Help Cross Domain Vulnerability (MS05-001)

If successful, the exploits drop either of two files "mhh.exe" or
"sr.exe", both of which so far are only recognized by Kaspersky and
called (not-a-virus:AdWare.ToolBar.SearchIt.h). The files have been
submitted to the other AV vendors.

(more stuff available at above link)

By the way, Micro$loth must have anticipated problems with the
KB891711 patch so they made it run as a service in the system tray
instead of modifying / altering / replacing existing system files. By
making it run as a service, it can easily be turned off if necessary.
 
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thanks john john,

i will sus' all that info out never been happy with oe.

len

snipped
--
happy gardening
'it works for me it could work for you,'

"in the end ya' gotta do what ya' gotta do" but consider others and the environment
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~gardenlen1/

my e/mail addies have spam filters you should know what to delete before you send.
 
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In news:1jo731du0qn4q3pk7erj0crkir5tfuc5e2@4ax.com,
len gardener <gardenlenSPAM@hotmail.com> had this to say:

My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

> thanks john john,
>
> i will sus' all that info out never been happy with oe.
>
> len
>
> snipped

Give this a try if you like light and easy:

http://xnews.newsguy.com/

I use it when I'm on the road or when I'm on someone else's computer.

Galen
--
Signature changed for a moment of silence.
Rest well Alex and we'll see you on the other side.
 
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On 03/12/2005 at 11:06 PM, Ivan Bútora <xxx@xxx.xxx> said:

>what I do know is that MS should be ashamed

Of course we know this is an impossibility.

Jim L

--
"Don't call it a crisis until you can't fix it," Obstructionist Party.
 
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On 03/12/2005 at 09:50 PM, "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> said:

> don't come complaining to me later on if someone connects to your
>computer and/or network because you were unpatched and makes all kinds
>of changes

For god's sake put in a good firewall.

Jim L

--
"Don't call it a crisis until you can't fix it," Obstructionist
Party.
 
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Me & <myself@no-email.com> wrote in news😛7c831h7542gt7ien7k8upvjqqg4se1emd@
4ax.com:

> Find yourself a copy of Eudora 3.0.5 (very old). It's text only
> email. If there are pictures included you can choose to view them,
> but no html email. That's all I run. I hate html in my email.
> You can still download it from Eudora, but I am not sure if it can be
> purchased any longer. I bought it many years ago, I upgraded to a
> newer version, and found the newer ones were html ONLY. I went back
> to the old version.

I am currently using Eudora 6.1.2 (the latest) and you have the option of
disabling all HTML (the way that I run it). Eudora can be run in 3 modes;
lite (free), sponsored and paid:

http://www.eudora.com/download/

> On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 23:29:02 -0800, "Gary S. Terhune"
><grystnews@mvps.org> wrote:
>
>>That hardly answers the question. All that says is that viewing email in
>>HTML format can be risky. I don't see how switching from OE to some
>>other newsreader will change that. If you view email in HTML format, you
>>are much more at risk than if you view it in plain text, period. Not
>>only from the vulnerabilities mentioned in this Security Bulletin, but
>>from a myriad of other vulnerabilities involving HTML rendering. So, the
>>answer is: View email in PlainText only. Fortunately, OE6 and up have
>>this option--to view email in PlainText only. Does your newsreader have
>>that option? And do you use it? If not, you're engaging in risky
>>behavior.
>
 
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<<< If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost certainly
now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background. >>>

How can I determine whether it runs in the background on my system or
not? Will it show in the Task Manager?
 
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The free process viewer, "Process Explorer", will report every executing
module:
www.sysinternals.com

If the Win Update patch is properly installed, KB891711.exe will be
executing.
And there will be a Windows\System\KB891711 folder with two files in it, a
..EXE and a .DLL.

The Windows Task Manger here is reporting the .EXE as running, also.
--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
In Memorium: Alex Nichol
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/nichol.mspx
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"Eugene" <pm771.am@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1110915076.243438.251120@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> <<< If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
> gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost certainly
> now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background. >>>
>
> How can I determine whether it runs in the background on my system or
> not? Will it show in the Task Manager?
>
 
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Download and run TaskInfo 2003.

"Eugene" <pm771.am@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1110915076.243438.251120@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> <<< If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
> gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost certainly
> now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background. >>>
>
> How can I determine whether it runs in the background on my system or
> not? Will it show in the Task Manager?
>
 
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Like I said a few days ago, Task Info 2003 shows the EXE file but measures
only
0.4% CPU usage.

"Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
news:en$q23ZKFHA.2852@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> The free process viewer, "Process Explorer", will report every executing
> module:
> www.sysinternals.com
>
> If the Win Update patch is properly installed, KB891711.exe will be
> executing.
> And there will be a Windows\System\KB891711 folder with two files in it, a
> .EXE and a .DLL.
>
> The Windows Task Manger here is reporting the .EXE as running, also.
> --
> Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
> Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
> In Memorium: Alex Nichol
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/nichol.mspx
> Your cooperation is very appreciated.
> ------
> "Eugene" <pm771.am@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1110915076.243438.251120@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > <<< If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
> > gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost certainly
> > now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background. >>>
> >
> > How can I determine whether it runs in the background on my system or
> > not? Will it show in the Task Manager?
> >
>
>
 
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Yes, it will show in the task manager. Beth

On 15 Mar 2005 11:31:16 -0800, "Eugene" <pm771.am@gmail.com> wrote:

><<< If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
>gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost certainly
>now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background. >>>
>
>How can I determine whether it runs in the background on my system or
>not? Will it show in the Task Manager?
 
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Thanks John --- makes me think about John 3

"John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:eq8Be64JFHA.1948@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
: Get Thunderbird to open this:
:
: news://news.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.win98.setup
:
: or
:
: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.win98.setup
:
: or
:
: news://news.microsoft.com:119/microsoft.public.win98.setup
:
: or
:
: news://msnews.microsoft.com:119/microsoft.public.win98.setup
:
: Tip: Set Thunderbird as your default newsreader.
: Start>Settings>Control Panel>Internet Options>Programs Tab...
:
: John
:
: Dan wrote:
:
: > John, I like Mozilla Firefox better than IE but cannot get used to the
: > Mozilla Thunderbird newsgroup as of yet. Maybe I am just too comfortable
: > with Outlook Express.
: >
: > "John John" <audetweld@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
: > news:udfMu%233JFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
: > : Thunderbird (free): http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/
: > :
: > : Pegasus Mail (free): http://www.pmail.com/overviews.htm
: > :
: > : Eudora (not free): http://www.eudora.com/eudoralight/
: > :
: > : Agent (not free): http://www.forteinc.com/agent/index.php
: > :
: > :
: > : Many others exist. Search the net for "mail reader".
: > :
: > : My favorite is Thunderbird, can be had "stand alone" or part of the
: > : Mozilla/Firefox "suite" http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/
: > :
: > : You will never go back to IE and OE once you experience the Mozilla
: > : applications.
: > :
: > : John
: > :
: > :
: > :
: > : len gardener wrote:
: > :
: > : > g'day john john,
: > : >
: > : > i don't use oe for much is there another program similar that i can
: > : > use instead?
: > : >
: > : > ta
: > : >
: > : > len
: > : >
: > : > snipped
: >
: >
 
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Thanks Jack.

"Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
news:en$q23ZKFHA.2852@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
: The free process viewer, "Process Explorer", will report every executing
: module:
: www.sysinternals.com
:
: If the Win Update patch is properly installed, KB891711.exe will be
: executing.
: And there will be a Windows\System\KB891711 folder with two files in it, a
: .EXE and a .DLL.
:
: The Windows Task Manger here is reporting the .EXE as running, also.
: --
: Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
: Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
:
: http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
: In Memorium: Alex Nichol
: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/nichol.mspx
: Your cooperation is very appreciated.
: ------
: "Eugene" <pm771.am@gmail.com> wrote in message
: news:1110915076.243438.251120@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
: > <<< If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
: > gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost certainly
: > now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the background. >>>
: >
: > How can I determine whether it runs in the background on my system or
: > not? Will it show in the Task Manager?
: >
:
:
 
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Thanks, Galen. Bookmarked site for future reference. <removed non working
newsgroup>

"Galen" <galennews@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e9w6FK9JFHA.3500@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
: In news:1jo731du0qn4q3pk7erj0crkir5tfuc5e2@4ax.com,
: len gardener <gardenlenSPAM@hotmail.com> had this to say:
:
: My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:
:
: > thanks john john,
: >
: > i will sus' all that info out never been happy with oe.
: >
: > len
: >
: > snipped
:
: Give this a try if you like light and easy:
:
: http://xnews.newsguy.com/
:
: I use it when I'm on the road or when I'm on someone else's computer.
:
: Galen
: --
: Signature changed for a moment of silence.
: Rest well Alex and we'll see you on the other side.
:
:
 
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I bookmarked the site --- new is not always better --- LOL!! how true
<removed newsgroup -- not working>

"Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
news:uRJkxN%23JFHA.336@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
: Thanks, Luke what does 3.06 give you that 3.05 does not give you?
:
: "Luke" <luke@nowhere.com> wrote in message
: news:7tk831td25dlrcfk5idroia9nb6b5rm4ve@4ax.com...
: : On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 06:45:27 -0700, "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote:
: :
: : >I am Googling for it now to test it if I can get a hold of this old
: program.
: :
: : http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=eudora
: :
: : I suggest 3.0.6.
: :
: : --
: : Luke
:
:
 
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In news:OGqHZx6LFHA.3540@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl,
Dan <spamyou@user.nec> had this to say:

My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

> Thanks, Galen. Bookmarked site for future reference. <removed non
> working newsgroup>

Wow, I'm glad I flag new messages. It's a decent app for what it does but
it's not as robust as a full client, checking the file size will tell you
that. More features? More bloat... I've found it handy at a number of other
people's computers where I wanted to check a post or the like or post and
wait for an answer in a busy NG. Thanks for posting this to only microsoft
newsgroups as I don't subscribe to any others.

Galen
--
Signature changed for a moment of silence.
Rest well Alex and we'll see you on the other side.
 
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Just read the Win98.Gen_Discussion group, or the WindowsME.General
group, and you'll see several examples of KB891711 causing BSODs.
Believe me, there *is* a problem, and MS *is* working on a solution. The
biggest problem we have, now, is most people who are having trouble with
KB891711 don't seem to be willing to perform some rather simple tests
and return the results.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"SFB - KB3MM" <Mickey@MouseHouse.com> wrote in message
news:e57ATN5JFHA.2784@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Well, we live in an era of 'instant PC Experts'
>
> the typical'my brother in law-sez, ......., and the secretary at
work.....
>
> roof is needed not rumors.
>
> I've had the update for 4 days and nothing has raised an ugly head
yet.
>
> "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
> news:eqDybF5JFHA.2772@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > It is just what people are saying. I don't have any proof.
> >
> > "SFB - KB3MM" <Mickey@MouseHouse.com> wrote in message
> > news:%23cwdfB5JFHA.1528@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > : Any particular boards?
> > :
> > : Is this well founded and some one has absolute proof, or just some
one
> > : saying it must be ...?
> > :
> > : "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
> > : news:eNc9wh4JFHA.2772@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > : > Read the discussion boards and you will see that it is causing
havoc
> with
> > : > some user's machines and associated software and/or hardware.
For
> some
> > of
> > : > the users baddies are definately involved but definately not
with all
> the
> > : > users.
> > : >
> > : > "SFB - KB3MM" <Mickey@MouseHouse.com> wrote in message
> > : > news:ObT$hW4JFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > : > : Whata's the downside of this update?
> > : > :
> > : > : "Ivan Bútora" <xxx@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
> > : > : news:udwK9H4JFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > : > : > Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I
want to
> > : install
> > : > : it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install
these
> > updates
> > : in
> > : > : general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But
on
> the
> > : other
> > : > : hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of
KB891711, the
> > : > : inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this
patch
> is
> > : far
> > : > : greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine.
Keep in
> mind
> > : > that
> > : > : there have been several updates this year considered
"important" for
> > : > Windows
> > : > : 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune
pointed
> out,
> > : the
> > : > : difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not
so
> > : > significant
> > : > : in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine
probably *is*
> > : > : vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be 100%
secure
> all
> > : the
> > : > : time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about
not
> having
> > : this
> > : > : one patch installed.
> > : > : >
> > : > : > And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running
> WITHOUT
> > : > : anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I
decided I
> > would
> > : > run
> > : > : a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what -
nothing
> found
> > : > other
> > : > : than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important
thing is
> > being
> > : > : aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the
Internet.
> > : > : >
> > : > : > Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was,
but what
> I
> > : do
> > : > : know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in
this
> manner,
> > : > : without informing the users of the potential caveats, and
apparently
> > : > without
> > : > : testing in dial-up systems, etc.
> > : > : >
> > : > : >
> > : > : >
> > : > : > "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
> > : > : news:%23v8mrb0JFHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > : > : > > According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update
that
> has
> > : as
> > : > : of now
> > : > : > > not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need
this
> > critical
> > : > : update
> > : > : > > because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a
way to
> > : > : compromise
> > : > : > > all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch
and have
> > not
> > : > : been
> > : > : > > updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers
will be
> a
> > : > : maximum of
> > : > : > > 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is
> connected
> > to
> > : > the
> > : > : > > Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE"
running
> > because
> > : I
> > : > : am
> > : > : > > sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better
fix but
> > : this
> > : > is
> > : > : a
> > : > : > > temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe
while
> > : on-line.
> > : > : If
> > : > : > > programs are not responding then discover why. People you
need
> > this
> > : > : CRITICAL
> > : > : > > PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run
with the
> > : patch
> > : > : because
> > : > : > > of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove
Ethernet
> cable,
> > : USB
> > : > : cable
> > : > : > > or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if
you do
> not
> > : do
> > : > : this
> > : > : > > and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just
asking for
> > : your
> > : > : system
> > : > : > > to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends
although
> I
> > : know
> > : > a
> > : > : lot
> > : > : > > about security on computers and weak access points and
could
> > : probably
> > : > do
> > : > : it
> > : > : > > without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is
with
> > keeping
> > : > the
> > : > : > > U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers
to try
> > and
> > : > get
> > : > : one
> > : > : > > small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby,
the
> > : > : terriorists and
> > : > : > > finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and others
can
> help
> > : you
> > : > : with
> > : > : > > your computer problems. Have a nice day!
> > : > : > >
> > : > : > > "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message
> > : > news:42330B5D.1F0A641A@Guy.com...
> > : > : > > :
> > : > : > > : If you don't know what I'm talking about, look here:
> > : > : > > :
> > : > : > > :
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS05-002.mspx
> > : > : > > :
> > : > : > > : If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the
past
> > week)
> > : > : > > : gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you
almost
> > : > : > > : certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in
the
> > : background.
> > : > : > > : It is set to run automatically at startup. First time
any
> such
> > : > update
> > : > : > > : or security patch has been configured to operate
(instead of
> > : simply
> > : > : > > : replacing an existing file).
> > : > : > > :
> > : > : > > : Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE)
is
> > : critical
> > : > : > > : for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are
simply
> > : > deactivating
> > : > : > > : it (via msconfig).
> > : > : > > :
> > : > : > > : Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and
> > : KB891711.EXE?
> > : > : > > :
> > : > : > > : Is there anything special about it (like running it in
safe
> mode
> > : to
> > : > : > > : properly install it) ?
> > : > : > > :
> > : > : > > : Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
> > : > : > > :
> > : > : > > : Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???
> > : > : > >
> > : > : > >
> > : > :
> > : >
> > : >
> > :
> >
> >
>
 
Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.setup,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.performance,microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update (More info?)

The solution is simple: don't take in all the (supposed) "updates".

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> Just read the Win98.Gen_Discussion group, or the WindowsME.General
> group, and you'll see several examples of KB891711 causing BSODs.
> Believe me, there *is* a problem, and MS *is* working on a solution. The
> biggest problem we have, now, is most people who are having trouble with
> KB891711 don't seem to be willing to perform some rather simple tests
> and return the results.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
> "SFB - KB3MM" <Mickey@MouseHouse.com> wrote in message
> news:e57ATN5JFHA.2784@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> Well, we live in an era of 'instant PC Experts'
>>
>> the typical'my brother in law-sez, ......., and the secretary at
work.....
>>
>> roof is needed not rumors.
>>
>> I've had the update for 4 days and nothing has raised an ugly head yet.
>>
>> "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
>> news:eqDybF5JFHA.2772@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>> It is just what people are saying. I don't have any proof.
>>>
>>> "SFB - KB3MM" <Mickey@MouseHouse.com> wrote in message
>>> news:%23cwdfB5JFHA.1528@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>> Any particular boards?
>>>>
>>>> Is this well founded and some one has absolute proof, or just some one
>>>> saying it must be ...?
>>>>
>>>> "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
>>>> news:eNc9wh4JFHA.2772@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Read the discussion boards and you will see that it is causing havoc
with
>>>>> some user's machines and associated software and/or hardware.
> For
>> some
>>> of
>>>>> the users baddies are definately involved but definately not with all
the
>>>>> users.
>>>>>
>>>>> "SFB - KB3MM" <Mickey@MouseHouse.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:ObT$hW4JFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Whata's the downside of this update?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Ivan Bútora" <xxx@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:udwK9H4JFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I
> want to
>>>> install
>>>>>> it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install
> these
>>> updates
>>>> in
>>>>>> general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But
> on
>> the
>>>> other
>>>>>> hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711, the
>>>>>> inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this
> patch
>> is
>>>> far
>>>>>> greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine.
> Keep in
>> mind
>>>>> that
>>>>>> there have been several updates this year considered "important" for
>>>>>> Windows 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary Terhune
> pointed
>> out,
>>>> the
>>>>>> difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not so
>>>>>> significant in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your machine
>>>>>> probably *is* vulnerable to something. But that's life, you can't be
100%
> secure
>> all
>>>> the
>>>>>> time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about
> not
>> having
>>>> this
>>>>>> one patch installed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running
>> WITHOUT
>>>>>> anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I
> decided I
>>> would
>>>>> run
>>>>>> a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what -
> nothing
>> found
>>>>> other
>>>>>> than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing is
being
>>>>>> aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the Internet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was,
> but what
>> I
>>>> do
>>>>>> know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this
manner,
>>>>>> without informing the users of the potential caveats, and apparently
>>>>>> without testing in dial-up systems, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:%23v8mrb0JFHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update
> that
>> has
>>>> as
>>>>>> of now
>>>>>>>> not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need
> this
>>> critical
>>>>>> update
>>>>>>>> because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way to
>>>>>>>> compromise all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the patch
> and have
>>> not
>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>> updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers
> will be
>> a
>>>>>> maximum of
>>>>>>>> 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is
>> connected
>>> to
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE"
> running
>>> because
>>>> I
>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>> sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better
> fix but
>>>> this
>>>>> is
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe
> while
>>>> on-line.
>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>> programs are not responding then discover why. People you
> need
>>> this
>>>>>> CRITICAL
>>>>>>>> PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run
> with the
>>>> patch
>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>> of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove
> Ethernet
>> cable,
>>>> USB
>>>>>> cable
>>>>>>>> or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if
> you do
>> not
>>>> do
>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just
> asking for
>>>> your
>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>> to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends
> although
>> I
>>>> know
>>>>> a
>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>>> about security on computers and weak access points and
> could
>>>> probably
>>>>> do
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is
> with
>>> keeping
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers
> to try
>>> and
>>>>> get
>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>> small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the
>>>>>>>> terriorists and finally the script kiddies. Let me know how I and
>>>>>>>> others
> can
>> help
>>>> you
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> your computer problems. Have a nice day!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:42330B5D.1F0A641A@Guy.com...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you don't know what I'm talking about, look here:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS05-002.mspx
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past week)
>>>>>>>>> gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you almost
>>>>>>>>> certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the
background.
>>>>>>>>> It is set to run automatically at startup. First time
> any
>> such
>>>>> update
>>>>>>>>> or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of
simply
>>>>>>>>> replacing an existing file).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is
critical
>>>>>>>>> for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply
deactivating
>>>>>>>>> it (via msconfig).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and
KB891711.EXE?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is there anything special about it (like running it in
> safe
>> mode
>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> properly install it) ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???
 
Archived from groups: microsoft.public.win98.setup,microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.win98.performance,microsoft.public.win98.internet.windows_update (More info?)

You think that's a simple one, eh?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Bill in Co." <someone@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:uLrjKMMMFHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> The solution is simple: don't take in all the (supposed) "updates".
>
> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> > Just read the Win98.Gen_Discussion group, or the WindowsME.General
> > group, and you'll see several examples of KB891711 causing BSODs.
> > Believe me, there *is* a problem, and MS *is* working on a solution.
The
> > biggest problem we have, now, is most people who are having trouble
with
> > KB891711 don't seem to be willing to perform some rather simple
tests
> > and return the results.
> >
> > --
> > Gary S. Terhune
> > MS MVP Shell/User
> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> > http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
> >
> > "SFB - KB3MM" <Mickey@MouseHouse.com> wrote in message
> > news:e57ATN5JFHA.2784@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> >> Well, we live in an era of 'instant PC Experts'
> >>
> >> the typical'my brother in law-sez, ......., and the secretary at
> work.....
> >>
> >> roof is needed not rumors.
> >>
> >> I've had the update for 4 days and nothing has raised an ugly head
yet.
> >>
> >> "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
> >> news:eqDybF5JFHA.2772@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> >>> It is just what people are saying. I don't have any proof.
> >>>
> >>> "SFB - KB3MM" <Mickey@MouseHouse.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:%23cwdfB5JFHA.1528@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> >>>> Any particular boards?
> >>>>
> >>>> Is this well founded and some one has absolute proof, or just
some one
> >>>> saying it must be ...?
> >>>>
> >>>> "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
> >>>> news:eNc9wh4JFHA.2772@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> >>>>> Read the discussion boards and you will see that it is causing
havoc
> with
> >>>>> some user's machines and associated software and/or hardware.
> > For
> >> some
> >>> of
> >>>>> the users baddies are definately involved but definately not
with all
> the
> >>>>> users.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "SFB - KB3MM" <Mickey@MouseHouse.com> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:ObT$hW4JFHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> >>>>>> Whata's the downside of this update?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Ivan Bútora" <xxx@xxx.xxx> wrote in message
> >>>>>> news:udwK9H4JFHA.1176@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> >>>>>>> Dan, please. ANY update is optional. It is up to me if I
> > want to
> >>>> install
> >>>>>> it on my machine or not. Yes, I think it's good to install
> > these
> >>> updates
> >>>> in
> >>>>>> general, and I have installed all of them except KB891711. But
> > on
> >> the
> >>>> other
> >>>>>> hand, there are upsides and downsides. In the case of KB891711,
the
> >>>>>> inconvenience and trouble that is likely to be caused by this
> > patch
> >> is
> >>>> far
> >>>>>> greater than the risk of a hacker exploiting your machine.
> > Keep in
> >> mind
> >>>>> that
> >>>>>> there have been several updates this year considered
"important" for
> >>>>>> Windows 98 that have not been released publicly. As Gary
Terhune
> > pointed
> >> out,
> >>>> the
> >>>>>> difference between "important" and "critical" is actually not
so
> >>>>>> significant in terms of the security threat. So yeah, your
machine
> >>>>>> probably *is* vulnerable to something. But that's life, you
can't be
> 100%
> > secure
> >> all
> >>>> the
> >>>>>> time. I don't see the point in making such a big fuss about
> > not
> >> having
> >>>> this
> >>>>>> one patch installed.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> And FYI, since September 2004, my computer has been running
> >> WITHOUT
> >>>>>> anti-virus protection, anti-spyware, etc. So yesterday I
> > decided I
> >>> would
> >>>>> run
> >>>>>> a SpyBot check just for the hell of it, and guess what -
> > nothing
> >> found
> >>>>> other
> >>>>>> than a couple of IE cookies. My point: The most important thing
is
> being
> >>>>>> aware of what you're doing with your computer and on the
Internet.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Frankly, I don't know what your letter to Bill Gates was,
> > but what
> >> I
> >>>> do
> >>>>>> know is that MS should be ashamed for releasing a patch in this
> manner,
> >>>>>> without informing the users of the potential caveats, and
apparently
> >>>>>> without testing in dial-up systems, etc.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
> >>>>>> news:%23v8mrb0JFHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> >>>>>>>> According to PC Today, April issue it is a critical update
> > that
> >> has
> >>>> as
> >>>>>> of now
> >>>>>>>> not been exploited by hackers. Guys and Gals you need
> > this
> >>> critical
> >>>>>> update
> >>>>>>>> because I am guessing within 3 weeks someone will find a way
to
> >>>>>>>> compromise all 98SE and associated 9x machines that need the
patch
> > and have
> >>> not
> >>>>>> been
> >>>>>>>> updated. My best guess is that the time for the hackers
> > will be
> >> a
> >>>>>> maximum of
> >>>>>>>> 3 weeks and it may be even faster so if your machine is
> >> connected
> >>> to
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> Internet do whatever it takes to keep "KB891711.EXE"
> > running
> >>> because
> >>>> I
> >>>>>> am
> >>>>>>>> sure down the line Microsoft will be able to do a better
> > fix but
> >>>> this
> >>>>> is
> >>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>> temporary solution, hopefully to allow users to be safe
> > while
> >>>> on-line.
> >>>>>> If
> >>>>>>>> programs are not responding then discover why. People you
> > need
> >>> this
> >>>>>> CRITICAL
> >>>>>>>> PATCH and it is not optional. If Windows will not run
> > with the
> >>>> patch
> >>>>>> because
> >>>>>>>> of BSOD then disconnect from the Internet -- remove
> > Ethernet
> >> cable,
> >>>> USB
> >>>>>> cable
> >>>>>>>> or phone cable until the problem is resolved because if
> > you do
> >> not
> >>>> do
> >>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>> and have exited this CRITICAL PATCH then you are just
> > asking for
> >>>> your
> >>>>>> system
> >>>>>>>> to be hacked and no it will not be by me or my friends
> > although
> >> I
> >>>> know
> >>>>> a
> >>>>>> lot
> >>>>>>>> about security on computers and weak access points and
> > could
> >>>> probably
> >>>>> do
> >>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>> without too much trouble if I wanted to but my heart is
> > with
> >>> keeping
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> U.S.A and its Allies and businesses and finally consumers
> > to try
> >>> and
> >>>>> get
> >>>>>> one
> >>>>>>>> small leg up on the PEOPLE who hack machines for a hobby, the
> >>>>>>>> terriorists and finally the script kiddies. Let me know how
I and
> >>>>>>>> others
> > can
> >> help
> >>>> you
> >>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>> your computer problems. Have a nice day!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:42330B5D.1F0A641A@Guy.com...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> If you don't know what I'm talking about, look here:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS05-002.mspx
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> If you're running Win 98, and have recently (within the past
week)
> >>>>>>>>> gone to Windows Updates and updated your computer, you
almost
> >>>>>>>>> certainly now have the file "KB891711.EXE" running in the
> background.
> >>>>>>>>> It is set to run automatically at startup. First time
> > any
> >> such
> >>>>> update
> >>>>>>>>> or security patch has been configured to operate (instead of
> simply
> >>>>>>>>> replacing an existing file).
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Even though Micro$loth sez that MS05-002 (KB891711.EXE) is
> critical
> >>>>>>>>> for Win-98, I've read where some (many) people are simply
> deactivating
> >>>>>>>>> it (via msconfig).
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Does anyone really know the truth regarding Win-98 and
> KB891711.EXE?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Is there anything special about it (like running it in
> > safe
> >> mode
> >>>> to
> >>>>>>>>> properly install it) ?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Is it really needed? (for win-98) ?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Is Win-98 really vulnerable to MS05-002 ???
>
>
 
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