When is 5870 coming out??

[woostar88]

Im new to this forums.

anyways, building a new computer of budget of $2000 (PC parts only)

anyways, in the newegg's shopping cart, there are every components and the total is $1550 (shipping included)

And just waiting to add the GPU... arggg this is killing me here.

either to go with Dual 4890 xfire or single GTX 295 or single 5870....

 

[redwine01]

Please guys carry on with the debates. I m submitting my next debate topic in class hopefully i may submit gtx295 vs radeon5870: The new era of numbers. I hope i can get enough points to be the first thanks in advance ofcourse

 

[FallenSniper]

I think it's too one sided for you to get enough support in favor of the 295.

 

[redwine01]

lol then i will talk in favor of 5870.. seems like i need to find out a blind nvidia fanboy to talk about 295 😛 😛

Edit: I found a noob he is my neighbour. He is not a nvidia fanboy but he has a 4870(bought from malaysia) now he want to change it to gtx260 or gtx275(at max) because his radeon 4870 is facing some problem running batman while my nvidia run Batman with all max settings 😛 😛 😛 i couldnt laugh in front of him so i needed to go to bathroom to laugh... seems like he can do the job of favoring 295 over 5870 or even 5870x2 (!!) :lol:

 

[michaelmk86]

The fact is that the GTX295 is about 20% faster than the HD5780. This benchmark (clike here) shows that the GTX295 is faster than the HD5780 by 12% that this is not 100% true because they didn’t include games with physX and also they didn’t include new games ex. Batman, red faction guerrilla, Need for Speed Shift that perform terrible with ati cards(in fact the GTX285 is much faster than the HD5780 in these games simple because ati have to release hotfix for a lot of new games in order to perform properly, that is what you get with ati you have to wait for hotfix like always).The GTX295 is 9 months old and still ati can not release a card that can beat the GTX295 hopefully the 5870x2 will do that. Also do not forget that the GTX295 OC very well (can hit 680MHz-core very easily and even more 710MHz+) but the HD5780 is very bad at OC.

 

[EXT64]

Does NVidia also give you a free power plant and phase change cooler for that OC'ed GTX295? And since there is no 5780, I'm not at all shocked it doesn't OC well.

 

[Pailin]

The 5870 seems a great OCer to me...

many running at 900 - 950 and some coming out now (with a soft volt adj.) breaking 1GHz on stock cooling!

Don't seem a bad OCer to me 😉

 

[randomizer]

The fact is that the GTX295 is about 20% faster than the HD5780. .

With More than twice as much silicon, I'd damn well hope it could muster up 20%.

 

[Jonnyinter]

Wow these benchmarks and things look amazing. Too bad I just got my 4890 last month :lol: I'll get them when they start getting a bit smaller because if I got one now it wouldn't fit in my case anyways haha

 

[jaes]

Who cares how the performane is at 2560 resolution? do you know many people that game on such high resolution? 1920 and 1680 is all that matters and the gtx 295 remains the top card in these brackets

people that don't care about high resolution gaming, probably won't be looking at the 295 in the first place, so 295 is not even on their list for "what is on top in these brackets"

 

[jennyh]

The 295gtx is never 20% faster, that's garbage. Xbitlabs showed it over many games, more than anyone else, and the difference was 3% or thereabouts.

With more dx11 games, the gap between the two will grow. In favour of the 5870. Nobody here really believes that the 5870 is slower than the 295, it's simply not got the drivers yet and it is trying to run games it wasn't built for.

Think about how much of that gtx295 silicon was put over towards dx11 features...none of it. How much of the 5870 was put over to dx11? A lot of it was.

 

[brandonvi]

ya the from what i read somewhere the last set of drivers uped the FPS in games between 10-20% depending on the game between the drives used for all those tests and the ones right before it

The 5870 may and i stress the may not be as powerfull as the GTX 295 althow i still dont think this is true since the 5870 does not crash when the 295 does

eather way it really does not mater thow its cheaper and so close it does not mater 1 or 2 sets of drivers from now the thing will blow the GTX 295 out of the water

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

This benchmark (clike here)

That's the same benchmark you said that you "Doubt the credibility of that article...."

Interesting how you keep returning to the article you have credibility issues with.

simple because ati have to release hotfix for a lot of new games in order to perform properly, that is what you get with ati you have to wait for hotfix like always).

Whereas nV doesn't release hotfixes, they just prefer the GTX295 crash and get '0' fps in games, on a card that like you say is 9 months old, or even better twice on 2 year old cards in that review you like to point to;
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/Radeon_HD_5870/21.html
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/Radeon_HD_5870/19.html

Those games seem to work on the 512MB ATi cards, but not on the nV ones strangely enough, must be that ATi had a Hotfix or something. :lol:
Also, notice the performance of the GTX295 in that first one too, below the GTX280, whereas the HD series does Xfire ok.

You talk of the overall 12% which is heavily biased to older games, I don't think anyone cares about the comparative performance of these cards in the original FartCry (in which nV was previously caught cheating) where the HD5850/5870 get 130/155fps and the GTX295 gets 280fps, that skews the percentage, but doesn't reflect what these cards are going to be purchased for or what makes one better than the other.

As for Batman and Need for Speed, funny that you mention the games crippled by TWIMTBP not titles that are open to both and then a crap console port, guess in order for nV to impress you they need to cripple the game first. [:thegreatgrapeape:5]