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Gamers should know better than general hardware types. I'm shopping.
Who has seen the actual difference, can tell which is better?

Pentium4 dual channel at 3.4 ghz
Athlon 3500 (or thereabouts) at more like 2.2 ghz

Are these the same ghz we're talking about, or do they measure them
differently?

Also what about running a 4x AGP card on an 8x system (till I can save
for the new 8x card)? Work ok?
 
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Quaestor wrote:
> Gamers should know better than general hardware types. I'm shopping.
> Who has seen the actual difference, can tell which is better?
>
> Pentium4 dual channel at 3.4 ghz
> Athlon 3500 (or thereabouts) at more like 2.2 ghz
>
> Are these the same ghz we're talking about, or do they measure them
> differently?

I'm not sure what you mean. IMHO you get more bang for your buck if you
pick up an Athlon 64 and you should save a few bucks at the same time.

> Also what about running a 4x AGP card on an 8x system (till I can save
> for the new 8x card)? Work ok?

Yup. Although you might want to spring for PCI Express???
 
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On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 12:03:33 -0700, Quaestor <no_spam@my.place> wrote:

>Gamers should know better than general hardware types. I'm shopping.
>Who has seen the actual difference, can tell which is better?
>
>Pentium4 dual channel at 3.4 ghz
>Athlon 3500 (or thereabouts) at more like 2.2 ghz
>
>Are these the same ghz we're talking about, or do they measure them
>differently?

It's the same gigaHertz unit of measure, but the clock frequency isn't
a very relevant measure of relative performance anymore. Even Intel
is trying to move away from selling on the basis of clock speed now.

The chips are designed totally different from each other internally,
and the Athlon 64 chips (and the AthlonXP chips that came before) were
able to give better real world performance at the same clock speed.

This is going to take some time for the average consumer to get the
hang of, because Intel's done a pretty good job of training the public
to buy on the basis of clock speed.

>
>Also what about running a 4x AGP card on an 8x system (till I can save
>for the new 8x card)? Work ok?

If I'm reading this right, it should work:

http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/AGP8X_26292A_PM_revision.pdf

Might want to have a read through that yourself to be sure though.
---------------------------------------------

MCheu
 
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The Athlon64 is a better system for gaming. Cheaper too. Your 4X vid card
should work fine. Which is it?


"Quaestor" <no_spam@my.place> wrote in message
news:116811lteevmh5a@news.supernews.com...
> Gamers should know better than general hardware types. I'm shopping.
> Who has seen the actual difference, can tell which is better?
>
> Pentium4 dual channel at 3.4 ghz
> Athlon 3500 (or thereabouts) at more like 2.2 ghz
>
> Are these the same ghz we're talking about, or do they measure them
> differently?
>
> Also what about running a 4x AGP card on an 8x system (till I can save
> for the new 8x card)? Work ok?
>
 
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dawg wrote:

>The Athlon64 is a better system for gaming. Cheaper too. Your 4X vid card
>should work fine. Which is it?
>
>

msi Ti4600 w/128

Still a pretty good card, but I'm always into betas and they usually
demand pretty late stuff, so that needs to be upped as soon as I can.
 
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Quaestor wrote:

> dawg wrote:
>
>> The Athlon64 is a better system for gaming. Cheaper too. Your 4X vid card
>> should work fine. Which is it?
>>
>>
>
> msi Ti4600 w/128
>
> Still a pretty good card, but I'm always into betas and they usually
> demand pretty late stuff, so that needs to be upped as soon as I can.

You really should look into a PCI Express Mobo. Check out:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1237232&CatId=0

Tiny URL:
http://tinyurl.com/93389
 
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James Garvin wrote:
> Quaestor wrote:
>
>> dawg wrote:
>>
>>> The Athlon64 is a better system for gaming. Cheaper too. Your 4X vid
>>> card
>>> should work fine. Which is it?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> msi Ti4600 w/128
>>
>> Still a pretty good card, but I'm always into betas and they usually
>> demand pretty late stuff, so that needs to be upped as soon as I can.
>
>
> You really should look into a PCI Express Mobo. Check out:
> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1237232&CatId=0
>
>
> Tiny URL:
> http://tinyurl.com/93389


I had sticker shock until I realized that was a package that
included two video cards.

How well does this newer type of SLI work?
I used to have a computer with two Voodoo cards in SLI, but
not many games could use it. I often had to disable the SLI mode
just to avoid a black screen.
 
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Bitstring <116811lteevmh5a@news.supernews.com>, from the wonderful
person Quaestor <no_spam@my.place> said
>Gamers should know better than general hardware types. I'm shopping.
>Who has seen the actual difference, can tell which is better?
>
>Pentium4 dual channel at 3.4 ghz
>Athlon 3500 (or thereabouts) at more like 2.2 ghz
>
>Are these the same ghz we're talking about, or do they measure them
>differently?

They're the same Ghz, but Ghz is a meaningless measure - bit like
comparing car engines based on the rev counter readings. Yeah, the two
cylinder two stroke engine revs to 20,000 .. however the V8 revving at
9,000 munches it up.

The Athlon, particularly the A64s, are better bang for the $ than P4
Northwoods, although Intel cut their prices more than somewhat in the
last few months. If you can hold your breath for another 6-9 months you
can probably get a dual-core CPU that'll chew up everything else on the
block (with the right coding). Imagine having another spare engine in
the trunk. 8>.

--
GSV Three Minds in a Can
Contact recommends the use of Firefox; SC recommends it at gunpoint.
 
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GSV Three Minds in a Can wrote:
> The Athlon, particularly the A64s, are better bang for the $ than P4
> Northwoods, although Intel cut their prices more than somewhat in the
> last few months. If you can hold your breath for another 6-9 months
> you can probably get a dual-core CPU that'll chew up everything else
> on the block (with the right coding). Imagine having another spare
> engine in the trunk. 8>.

That's great, but what are we gonna use it for?

Ripping shitty DVDs?
--
chainbreaker
 
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"chainbreaker" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:d41gfq02cjh@news1.newsguy.com...
> GSV Three Minds in a Can wrote:

> That's great, but what are we gonna use it for?

-- remote surgery?
-- cluster a bunch of them together, and render 3D animations faster than
your neighbours?
-- real-time photorealistic 3D walkthroughs of comples environments like
modern and ancient cities? Especially when
combined by a 2.4 terabit per second data connection like Internet 2
provides...
-- compilation of large amounts of code in a matter of minutes instead of
hours?
-- database analysis...
-- 3D medical imaging...
-- use it as a file server for a large domain (with lots of RAM and a fast
ethernet connection and huge RAID)
-- make movies
-- play Quake II on a system way too powerful for the game.

Shall I continue? Cuz I could think of a myriad of uses for a rig like
that.
 
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chainbreaker wrote:

> GSV Three Minds in a Can wrote:
>
>>The Athlon, particularly the A64s, are better bang for the $ than P4
>>Northwoods, although Intel cut their prices more than somewhat in the
>>last few months. If you can hold your breath for another 6-9 months
>>you can probably get a dual-core CPU that'll chew up everything else
>>on the block (with the right coding). Imagine having another spare
>>engine in the trunk. 8>.
>
>
> That's great, but what are we gonna use it for?
>
> Ripping shitty DVDs?

No...no...no! Ripping the "extra" content off CDs
 
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Bitstring <d41gfq02cjh@news1.newsguy.com>, from the wonderful person
chainbreaker <noone@nowhere.com> said
>GSV Three Minds in a Can wrote:
>> The Athlon, particularly the A64s, are better bang for the $ than P4
>> Northwoods, although Intel cut their prices more than somewhat in the
>> last few months. If you can hold your breath for another 6-9 months
>> you can probably get a dual-core CPU that'll chew up everything else
>> on the block (with the right coding). Imagine having another spare
>> engine in the trunk. 8>.
>
>That's great, but what are we gonna use it for?

Well, assuming the game coders are trainable, we can use it for doing
stuff like having the game's AI running all the time without getting in
the way of the graphics (and vice versa). Even with a lot of the
graphics offloaded to the GPU, there is still quite a load on the CPU.

You will also be able to use the second CPU to run task manager to kill
the task that has the first CPU all stalled .. maybe. 8>.

And it'll make my 'fly through the Mandlebrot set' code work so much
smoother, assuming each CPU can do high speed 80 bit floating point.

--
GSV Three Minds in a Can
Contact recommends the use of Firefox; SC recommends it at gunpoint.
 
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GSV Three Minds in a Can wrote:

> And it'll make my 'fly through the Mandlebrot set' code work so much
> smoother, assuming each CPU can do high speed 80 bit floating point.

With that machine he'll be able to fly through the Mandlebrot set in
finite time 🙂
 
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Bitstring <T6qdnZ-H87Zss_jfRVn-qA@comcast.com>, from the wonderful
person James Garvin <jgarvin2004@comcast.net> said
>GSV Three Minds in a Can wrote:
>
>> And it'll make my 'fly through the Mandlebrot set' code work so much
>>smoother, assuming each CPU can do high speed 80 bit floating point.
>
>With that machine he'll be able to fly through the Mandlebrot set in
>finite time 🙂

Only because you hit the accuracy limit and can't go any deeper ..
that's why I'm using 80 bit FP maths in the first place. 8>.

--
GSV Three Minds in a Can
Contact recommends the use of Firefox; SC recommends it at gunpoint.
 
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Quaestor typed:

> Gamers should know better than general
> hardware types. I'm shopping. Who has
> seen the actual difference, can tell which
> is better?

I'm shopping, too. My current machine is too frickin' noisy
and I want to put together a whisper quiet (or thereabouts)
gaming rig... 😉

So could someone tell me, which *brand* of GF 6800GT
cards have less noise coming from them massive heatsinks?

(I've never heard them up-close, you see. Leadtek? Asus? Or
are they all as frickin' noisy as each other? 😉 ;>)

> Also what about running a 4x AGP card
> on an 8x system (till I can save for the
> new 8x card)? Work ok?

If you're already getting a new motherboard, you should
probably be looking at PCI-Express for graphics. 😉 (More
"future-proof", plus you can use SLI...)

Cheers,

--
};> Matt v3.2 <.{
 
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