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> Baron Von Keith Clark <clarkphotography@hotmail.com> sayed:
>
> >> I don't like MS and their business practises either, but at the end of
> >> the day i dont see why they should play fair
> >
> >Because it's the LAW.
>
> The point i am making is that MS Windows, for the masses is the better
> OS on the market (I'm talking for the average home user that wants
> something like disney paint studio for the kids, a few games and MS
> Word for letter writing wrapped up in an easy to use package), there
> is not much microsoft can do to stop this now apart from forcefully
> pushing people away from their product, something i feel they
> shouldn't (As a business) have to do.
>
> Linux is no real competitor at the moment, and apple is just too
> costly.
>
Again, you speak without being informed of the facts. There are a ton of news articles by
mainstream journalists about how this is changing.
As for Apple, it too is a better OS, being based on Unix.
If Apple would have the common sense to make their OS run on X86, they'd have a lot more
market share.
I agree with you that it's too costly as long it's tied to monopolistic hardware. Apple is
far worse than Microsoft in that regard. Too bad they don't fire Steve Jobs again.
Ever watch "Pirates of Silicon Valley"? Very good docu-flick.
>
> >It IS as good, and it IS winning out. Many large companies and even whole city
> >governments are run on it.
>
> Yes, because they have the money to develop for it themselves, for
> most small/medium businesses i can think of nothing easier than
> installing Win2003 server with SBS etc, XP and Office XP on the client
> machines and bingo, thats everything sorted.
>
> >When the US Navy bought a bung of new Macs the requirement
> >was that they run Linux. Use a cell phone? It's not Microsoft software running the
> >racks of line cards in the central office, it's VX Works and Linux. Mention Microsoft
> >in a telco environment and the least that'll happen is hysterical laughter. Watch many
> >Hollywood movies? Lots of FX is done with Linux. Whole Disney studios are running
> >Linux. Sinbad was done on Linux.
>
> You are talking high-end servers/workstations, i'm referring to the
> home market, as we are on a rec. group.
>
You still don't get it - it's the same OS.
Take the same machines that you and I edit video on, put Linux on them, and you have a high
performance workstation. I kid you not.
The 2.6 kernel makes Linux an "enterprise class" OS by every analyst's opinion.
>
> >Except that people get excited about getting new versions of SuSE the minute it goes on
> >sale. Of course, the license entitles you to install it on an unlimited number of
> >machines, but that's besides the point (or is it?).
>
> No thats the way things should be, but do you think if SuSE was the
> bigger monopoly that they would stick with their sales strategy!? i
> dont think so, whoever is at top will receive all the negative press,
> if Linux and Windows OS swapped roles you would find the majority of
> viruses/trojans/worms etc etc aimed towards linux users, its the way
> of the world. And everyone would be saying how great Windows is as an
> OS because it's really safe.
>
> >Macromedia did some serious market research and found that there is enough of a paying
> >market to port their tools over to Linux.
>
> That sounds good, Linux always appears (On the outside) to be a
> free-for-all of minimilistic apps.
>
I won't dispute that there are some people who believe that all software should be free and
routinely break the law towards that end. These people aren't idealists, they're just scum
looking for a free lunch at somebody else's expense.
The rest of us, the majority, don't have a problem paying for software when the right tool
for the job is not free. Of course everyone likes to find quality software for free with no
restrictions, and there's a fair amount of it licensed under the GPL.
One thing that's nice to see is work being done under contract, with the resulting code
being made open. This is happening to some degree with Kino. People are willing to pay for
improved or added functionality, and everyone benefits. That's probably the ideal.
But I fully agree that for Linux to succeed as a Microsoft killer there has to be more
mainstream *commercial* applications.
Linux as a desktop is ready for Grandma right now. No question about it. Anyone that can use
Windows without a user manual, can sit down at a Linux desktop and start being productive
with very little effort. The only thing stopping mass adoption is you can't go to CompUSA
and get "Create-a-Card 2010" for Linux.
Of course you can buy mainstream software for Linux that installs painlessly on almost any
version of Linux (Unreal Tournament 2003 and 2004 are great examples), but more need to
come. There are quite a lot of people who buy Unreal Tournament and install it on Linux.
>
> >People want relief from the virus-of-the-week attacks that Microsoft's unsecure
> >architecture invites. They want to be free from having to reboot every time they
> >install a patch or minor upgrade or new application.
>
> Only a problem if you're referring to a business server.
No, man, get a clue.
These new viruses tuns mom and pop's computer into a spam machine - or worse. These new
viruses are being used for identity theft, spreading porno, distributed-denial-of-service
attacks, and more. Do you read the news?
People in the town I live in, regular folk, not hackers, have woken up to the FBI breaking
down their doors and marching off with all their computer gear because of viruses they were
un-aware of.
So don't say that it's only a problem for businesses.
By the way, if a business has to spend millions of dollars fighting viruses, how do they
make up that lost revenue? Raise prices? Uh uh, they fire people and out source their jobs.
It's plain to see for anyone who reads the business section of the newspapers.
Just a problem for businesses? Think again. Viruses hurt all of us.
>
>
> >> I wish it was better than windows
> >
> >It IS better than Windows. You've obviously never used SuSE.
>
> No i havent, and i would love to stick my fingers up to windows but i
> just wouldnt be able to do the stuff i can do with windows on a
> linux/SuSE machine unfortunatly.
>
> Give me the equivalent of Cubase SX with good plugin support, Vegas
> Video, some decent Video FX app, a nice DV codec and capture utility
> and i would swap over at no delay, but it just aint happening for me
> yet, ive tried so many times with Linux and so many times i've deleted
> it.. Year after year, maybe in a few years time it will have what i
> need.
>
Now you've hit the nail on the head.
Applications are not the OS.
Linux itself as an OS is outstanding and far superior to Windows.
It is true that there are a lack of commercial applications for multimedia production but
that's changing slowly.
Write to all the companies whose software you use and request Linux versions. I have. Some
of the responses I get back are encouraging.
>
> The real issue here is support for the OS's as opposed to how good an
> OS actually is, and i am choosing XP for its developers support which
> is probably going back to your original statement how MS have in
> effect 'forced' companies to produce for their OS's.
>
> But then, if Linux developers were quick enough at the start maybe
> they would have the same support as MS? I just feel now they will
> always be playing catchup, just like the many Mac users who run
> nothing but Windows Emulators.. i mean why?!
>
> >The latest version opened every Microsoft Word document or Excel spreadsheet I could
> >throw at it and looked and printed identically to Windows versions.
>
> Sounds very good for businesses.
>
> >Not as good as Windows? Think again. It's BETTER than Windows and that's just one
> >example.
>
> But how long do i have to wait until it will do what i want?
>
> If i have to have windows installed as well as linux then it is of no
> use to me whatsoever.
>
Why? It's not a big deal to reboot every once in a while. Use Windows for video, Linux for
everything else. The more you use Linux, especially SuSE, the more you'll see how you've
been missing out on something good. Last night I rebooted to Linux to play Unreal Tournament
2004. It's really nice to be able to install games without worrying that they'll hose the
system, unlike doing it in Windows.
>
> >> and thats why MS have the monopoly, not because of
> >> their tricks, dont fool yourself.
> >
> >Don't fool YOURself.
>
> I'm glad we've had this discussion, i will certainly look into SuSE, i
> guess its easy to get in the UK, i will check online, thanks.
>
Yeah, me too.
If you want to try SuSE without installing it, download this ISO and burn it to a CD. Then
boot to the CD and it will run from the CD. Don't judge the speed of Linux this way though.
;-> Of course it will be slow, running from the CD. But you'll get a good feel for it. If
you have a system with an Nvidia based card, try it on that because Nvidia makes better
Linux drivers than ATI (sorry, just an observation, nothing against ATI). Also keep in mind
that the link is for version 9.0, with the 2.4 kernel. Version 9.1 is significantly improved
and will start shipping May 8.
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/live-eval-9.0/SuSE-9.0-LiveEval-i386-Int-RC1.iso
)) lol
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