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SjT wrote:
> Baron Von Keith Clark <clarkphotography@hotmail.com> sayed:
>
> >Well, I've used it for capturing a few hundred hours of DV video, copying some of my DVD's into DivX
> >for streaming to the other PCs in the house, scanning 35mm slides, making big 13x19" prints to hang on
> >the wall, downloading pictures from various digital cameras, playing more hours of Unreal Tournament
> >2003 (and now UT-2004) than I want to try to count, watching DVDs, watching Quicktime movie trailers
> >online, developing PHP based web-sites for fun, and it has never fallen down on me.
>
> But to be fair windows would do all that with no problem whatsoever,
> but howabout, for example, what i do with Cubase everyday:- I'm
> talking about being able to record 24-bit audio whilst playing back 10
> 24-Bit Audio tracks in perfect sync, all with real-time effects
> playing, plus additional master effects and filtering at real-time,
> along with emulating 4 Virtual midi devices, and 2 actual midi
> devices, and if that isn't enough it has to process my dry Line-in
> signals with any realtime effect chains i have selected at under 7ms.
>
> And even with MSN Messenger, Outlook and a download client running XP
> pisses through it all, i don't think Linux has been proving in that
> respect yet (I.e. multimedia developing tools).
>
You can do that on Linux today with free open source software.
Check out http://ardour.org/
>
> But saying that of course, and this is what i hate about windows and
> would love to run linux, somehow windows can fall down like a sack of
> shite when i just connect to the net and open outlook express,
> madness! 😀
>
Yeah, Outlook can be a royal pain.
Be glad you don't have to use PVCS Tracker, it's really bad. Having to use Tracker is like being punished.
>
> >> Comparing SuSE to other distributions ive tried in the past seems like
> >> there is alot more being bolted on to the basic OS now to get it to
> >> run like Windows, Undecided on whether this is good or bad as yet 😀
> >
> >Maybe you're thinking of the way the KDE desktop resembles Windows? Well, that's not SuSE's doing... I
> >used to use a Gnome desktop and had it configured to emulate the OS-X look and feel. Right now I use
> >something that resembles neither, although I do use KDE.
>
> Yeah i don't know what tools are doing the job, but i do mean KDE from
> what i've read. I just think that Linux is getting flooded with
> add-ons and that is Windows' downfall, the fact that they have to bolt
> on so many services and user interfaces, wizards etc etc is why it
> decides to fall down so badly, im sure of it.
>
It's not the wizards, it's the architecture. It's true that wizards add bloat, but I don't see them
affecting stability.
Win95 and Win98 fall down because they don't use protected memory (an application can overwrite the OS
area). WinME is the same, plus it suffers from well documented memory leaks that Microsoft never deemed
necessary to fix.
Win2K and XP are based on the NT kernel, so they don't fall down much.
Their downfall is the fact that every tiny change to the system requires a reboot.
XP's downfall is the Activation nonsense. It might make sense for notebooks, but not desktops, where
someone is more than likely to make many major changes to their system.
But the real downfall is that Microsoft designed them all to be vulnerable to viruses, and distributed free
email clients that are guaranteed to make your system infected unless you take a lot of extra steps, and
never checked for buffer overflow vulnerabilities in any of their code. They just released to the world and
let the unsuspecting public and the hackers do a lot of testing for them.
>
> >Well how about saying "the success of an OS depends on mainstream applications being available for
> >it"? Wouldn't you say that's a little more fair/accurate?
>
> Yeah, the success is sure i agree with that, however i still beleive
> that an OS is only as good as it's applications, i.e. would you buy a
> Playstation rival if it was 1000x times better than a Playstation2 yet
> all the games were made by bedroom producers and the commercial
> releases were very few and far between?! Probably not, but here's
> where the linux mentality comes in... It's free! 😉 So of course you
> would get one, and you would also spend time explaining to people how
> great it is (Could be?) if only it had the right games.
>
> Does that make sense?
It makes sense for what it is, but it's way off base.
You're saying that only "bedroom programmers" make Linux software, and that's not correct.
You're also saying that anything that's free is not good quality. That's not correct either.
It's true that a lot of free stuff is junk, but a lot of commercial stuff is junk too.
It's also true that a good bit of the free stuff is world class.
So your argument doesn't hold water.
Use Linux for a year and then try this discussion again. ;->
>
>
> I don't like Windows as i'm still a hardened Mac/Amiga fan, but
> there's times where you must just take your hat of to them as a
> business, and how they have conquered the home market.
>
> >Doesn't really matter. It's all semantics anyway and it's not you and I are deciding the fate of Linux
> >by ourselves...there were 18 million users of Linux last time I looked.
>
> So where's the commercial releases that these 18 million people could
> use?! It just doesn't make sense.
>
> Anyway, my copy of SuSE arrived today, so i will have some fun tonite
>
)) lol
OK.
*Don't run as root*.
Create a normal user account and only log in as root when absolutely necessary.
Keith
SjT wrote:
> Baron Von Keith Clark <clarkphotography@hotmail.com> sayed:
>
> >Well, I've used it for capturing a few hundred hours of DV video, copying some of my DVD's into DivX
> >for streaming to the other PCs in the house, scanning 35mm slides, making big 13x19" prints to hang on
> >the wall, downloading pictures from various digital cameras, playing more hours of Unreal Tournament
> >2003 (and now UT-2004) than I want to try to count, watching DVDs, watching Quicktime movie trailers
> >online, developing PHP based web-sites for fun, and it has never fallen down on me.
>
> But to be fair windows would do all that with no problem whatsoever,
> but howabout, for example, what i do with Cubase everyday:- I'm
> talking about being able to record 24-bit audio whilst playing back 10
> 24-Bit Audio tracks in perfect sync, all with real-time effects
> playing, plus additional master effects and filtering at real-time,
> along with emulating 4 Virtual midi devices, and 2 actual midi
> devices, and if that isn't enough it has to process my dry Line-in
> signals with any realtime effect chains i have selected at under 7ms.
>
> And even with MSN Messenger, Outlook and a download client running XP
> pisses through it all, i don't think Linux has been proving in that
> respect yet (I.e. multimedia developing tools).
>
You can do that on Linux today with free open source software.
Check out http://ardour.org/
>
> But saying that of course, and this is what i hate about windows and
> would love to run linux, somehow windows can fall down like a sack of
> shite when i just connect to the net and open outlook express,
> madness! 😀
>
Yeah, Outlook can be a royal pain.
Be glad you don't have to use PVCS Tracker, it's really bad. Having to use Tracker is like being punished.
>
> >> Comparing SuSE to other distributions ive tried in the past seems like
> >> there is alot more being bolted on to the basic OS now to get it to
> >> run like Windows, Undecided on whether this is good or bad as yet 😀
> >
> >Maybe you're thinking of the way the KDE desktop resembles Windows? Well, that's not SuSE's doing... I
> >used to use a Gnome desktop and had it configured to emulate the OS-X look and feel. Right now I use
> >something that resembles neither, although I do use KDE.
>
> Yeah i don't know what tools are doing the job, but i do mean KDE from
> what i've read. I just think that Linux is getting flooded with
> add-ons and that is Windows' downfall, the fact that they have to bolt
> on so many services and user interfaces, wizards etc etc is why it
> decides to fall down so badly, im sure of it.
>
It's not the wizards, it's the architecture. It's true that wizards add bloat, but I don't see them
affecting stability.
Win95 and Win98 fall down because they don't use protected memory (an application can overwrite the OS
area). WinME is the same, plus it suffers from well documented memory leaks that Microsoft never deemed
necessary to fix.
Win2K and XP are based on the NT kernel, so they don't fall down much.
Their downfall is the fact that every tiny change to the system requires a reboot.
XP's downfall is the Activation nonsense. It might make sense for notebooks, but not desktops, where
someone is more than likely to make many major changes to their system.
But the real downfall is that Microsoft designed them all to be vulnerable to viruses, and distributed free
email clients that are guaranteed to make your system infected unless you take a lot of extra steps, and
never checked for buffer overflow vulnerabilities in any of their code. They just released to the world and
let the unsuspecting public and the hackers do a lot of testing for them.
>
> >Well how about saying "the success of an OS depends on mainstream applications being available for
> >it"? Wouldn't you say that's a little more fair/accurate?
>
> Yeah, the success is sure i agree with that, however i still beleive
> that an OS is only as good as it's applications, i.e. would you buy a
> Playstation rival if it was 1000x times better than a Playstation2 yet
> all the games were made by bedroom producers and the commercial
> releases were very few and far between?! Probably not, but here's
> where the linux mentality comes in... It's free! 😉 So of course you
> would get one, and you would also spend time explaining to people how
> great it is (Could be?) if only it had the right games.
>
> Does that make sense?
It makes sense for what it is, but it's way off base.
You're saying that only "bedroom programmers" make Linux software, and that's not correct.
You're also saying that anything that's free is not good quality. That's not correct either.
It's true that a lot of free stuff is junk, but a lot of commercial stuff is junk too.
It's also true that a good bit of the free stuff is world class.
So your argument doesn't hold water.
Use Linux for a year and then try this discussion again. ;->
>
>
> I don't like Windows as i'm still a hardened Mac/Amiga fan, but
> there's times where you must just take your hat of to them as a
> business, and how they have conquered the home market.
>
> >Doesn't really matter. It's all semantics anyway and it's not you and I are deciding the fate of Linux
> >by ourselves...there were 18 million users of Linux last time I looked.
>
> So where's the commercial releases that these 18 million people could
> use?! It just doesn't make sense.
>
> Anyway, my copy of SuSE arrived today, so i will have some fun tonite
>
)) lolOK.
*Don't run as root*.
Create a normal user account and only log in as root when absolutely necessary.
Keith
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