Why 30fps looks better on Cosole than on PC

[HEXiT]

wrong!. 12.5 fps is the point the human brain starts to perceive smooth motion. its why pretty much every warnerbros and merry melodies cartoon has 12.5 fps as that was the minimum they could get away with to keep costs down but still provide a smooth playback..
25 fps became a standard when sound was introduced. again it was the minimum they could get away with while maintaining motion and syncing the sound. it has nothing to do with your eyes. its all about cost.

after that 25 fps was adopted as a standard. things pretty much hit a status quo till digital arrived and because it is a much sharper image they had to introduce 2 things a slightly higher fps 29-30 and fake motion blur.
60 fps isnt even a thing in movies currently the highest fps standard is 48 fps for ultrahd imax and the likes.

for gaming again its a cost thing. as for the 2 foot thing lol...
it makes little difference how close you sit to the screen if your looking at 30 fps at 2 feet away and switch to 60 you will see it exactly the same way as you would see it 15 feet away. the image looks sharper because it is.

 

[potatoeatah]

Hi everybody , so now we have programs to cap fps -dxtory , bandicam, D3D9 antilag v1.01 can do this thing ,but it's seems that same games on console for example at 30fps looks much smoother and less noticeable frames per second when you turning camera in game . why this is happening, how to make it smoother on a PC.
for example i can run most games on my HD6870 at 40-60 FPS,but i don't like ups and downs so if i choosing to cap my frames at 30-35fps most games looks horrible even if my fps are stable ,never dips below ,but 30fps on console looks much better. Why there is such a big difference in the quality of 30fps Console vs PC even if PC has power to run the game on 60fps but capping at 30 makes it look bad.
Another example BF3 30fps on a console looks good ,30fps on a PC you can notice right away that 30fps is not enough

*Console*

 

[steelninja]

Hi everybody , so now we have programs to cap fps -dxtory , bandicam, D3D9 antilag v1.01 can do this thing ,but it's seems that same games on console for example at 30fps looks much smoother and less noticeable frames per second when you turning camera in game . why this is happening, how to make it smoother on a PC.
for example i can run most games on my HD6870 at 40-60 FPS,but i don't like ups and downs so if i choosing to cap my frames at 30-35fps most games looks horrible even if my fps are stable ,never dips below ,but 30fps on console looks much better. Why there is such a big difference in the quality of 30fps Console vs PC even if PC has power to run the game on 60fps but capping at 30 makes it look bad.
Another example BF3 30fps on a console looks good ,30fps on a PC you can notice right away that 30fps is not enough

*Console*

but thats what i was saying that 30 fps on this card 390x seems a lot smoother and totally playable like console when 30 fps on my 7850 was sluggish and not very nice so guess high end GPU provides smoother 30 fps gaming

 

[HEXiT]

its likely smoother due to the more powerful gpu producing less frame latency. meaning it will reduce the time it takes to produce the same frame so is less likely to produce a late frame, end result smoother playback.

 

[bystander]

It could be a change in a lot of factors, unless you are comparing them one after another with everything else the same. Displays have latency, games have different degrees of latency, and yes, even drivers can play a part.

 

[HEXiT]

yes mate.thats why i said likely.

 

[bystander]

I was adding to your idea in response to steelninja.

 

[HEXiT]

lol my bad mate...

 

[GamerOTYear]

Hi everybody , so now we have programs to cap fps -dxtory , bandicam, D3D9 antilag v1.01 can do this thing ,but it's seems that same games on console for example at 30fps looks much smoother and less noticeable frames per second when you turning camera in game . why this is happening, how to make it smoother on a PC.
for example i can run most games on my HD6870 at 40-60 FPS,but i don't like ups and downs so if i choosing to cap my frames at 30-35fps most games looks horrible even if my fps are stable ,never dips below ,but 30fps on console looks much better. Why there is such a big difference in the quality of 30fps Console vs PC even if PC has power to run the game on 60fps but capping at 30 makes it look bad.
Another example BF3 30fps on a console looks good ,30fps on a PC you can notice right away that 30fps is not enough

30fps doesnt look better on a console. 30fps on console and 30fps on PC are just as bad as each other. If you look at a console game and then look at a PC running the same game at 30fps, there will be no difference.

 

[steelninja]

I never said that it's impossible to notice a difference I just said that it is subtle and will never be the difference between being able to properly play a game or not. Playing under 30 fps causes noticeable slow downs that actually cause the game to become unplayable Anything over 30 fps and you will never see the game slow to a crawl. If you are getting tearing that is normally a v-sync issue as you should know you PC enthusiast. The OP solidifies my point "Why do console games not feel jittery at 30 fps, yet PC games do?" The answer is they are EXACTLY THE SAME. PC games feeling worse than their console counterparts at the same framerate is ALL IN YOUR MIND. The difference between 40 fps and 60 fps is very hard to tell, let alone while you actually playing the game and not sitting around staring at ***. The actual difference is that 40 fps has a higher chance of dropping below the 30fps mark, this is when you will notice it, you will not notice when the game drops from 60 to 35fps I guarantee it.

I mean justifying putting super high end graphics cards in SLI for just plain old 1080p, is fine if it helps you sleep at night with your purchase, but that kind of set-up is really only needed for multiple monitors or super high resolution monitors and if your not using either you are wasting your money I'm sorry to tell you. But, you already knew that didn't you PC enthusiast?

Vsync under 60 fps cuts you to 30 fps so the only way you would be running 40 fps is with vsync off, meaning you will get screen tear. An sli setup is a path deemed necessary by those that want constant 60 fps by preference and it shouldn't matter what other people prefer. You prefer erratic framerates with screen tear and lower settings while others can spend more money and enjoy smooth framerates with high settings. There really is no wrong here, just a matter of preference.

Sorry I answered wrong message so just ignore this

 

[steelninja]

console games are laaaaagggggy as. check out need for speed most wanted 2013 on pc then play it on console or even just watch an xbox gameplay vid on youtube (I did both) the PC version is far superior & i have a lower end card than you lol. You must have an issue with your hardware or setup is all i can suggest

Also console games are running at lots less detail, field of view and with no eye candy no vertical sync etc etc etc course they aren't gonna struggle at 30 fps whereas a pc can play games way over 30 fps with all the gubbins (eye candy)
Check out borderlands 2 on console then on pc look at the sky on console no stars & dull grey sky but on pc sky full of stars the textures on console version are lame
watch this and lol at the console versions compared to the PC version
http://n4g.com/news/1084004/borderlands-2-graphic-comparison-ps3-vs-360-vs-pc#c-6878879

I did not read the whole thread so I dont know if they already said it to you but youtube is 30FPS limited...

Just saw this and youtube is not 30 fps limited at least not nowadays you may have been right when this was posted but your missing the point. you can still see if a game runs laggy as **** on youtube no matter what the framerate is on youtube

 

[bystander]

console games are laaaaagggggy as. check out need for speed most wanted 2013 on pc then play it on console or even just watch an xbox gameplay vid on youtube (I did both) the PC version is far superior & i have a lower end card than you lol. You must have an issue with your hardware or setup is all i can suggest

Also console games are running at lots less detail, field of view and with no eye candy no vertical sync etc etc etc course they aren't gonna struggle at 30 fps whereas a pc can play games way over 30 fps with all the gubbins (eye candy)
Check out borderlands 2 on console then on pc look at the sky on console no stars & dull grey sky but on pc sky full of stars the textures on console version are lame
watch this and lol at the console versions compared to the PC version
http://n4g.com/news/1084004/borderlands-2-graphic-comparison-ps3-vs-360-vs-pc#c-6878879

I did not read the whole thread so I dont know if they already said it to you but youtube is 30FPS limited...

Just saw this and youtube is not 30 fps limited at least not nowadays you may have been right when this was posted but your missing the point. you can still see if a game runs laggy as **** on youtube no matter what the framerate is on youtube

Yes, Youtube has more recently added the option to display 60 FPS. It wasn't available at the time of the posts. But there is no way to know about lagginess from a video, as lag is the time between your input and the output. Video cannot record that delay. It only shows the output. All video can show you is whether the output was smooth. Lag is not represented at all.

 

[GlaspeyLawson]

I've never seen someone (bJeryed or however you spell it) try and damage control frame rate so hard. Are you brainwashed by Ubisoft? Because the difference between 40 and 60 is very noticeable.

 

[Rapid_2]

You usually sit closer to your monitor than to a television, games on console are from the ground up built around looking good at 30 frames (creative uses with elements like motion blurring etc), controllers are less precise than a mouse and keyboard and don't give you the same feeling of connection so you effectively dull one of your sensory avenues for estimating how smooth/fast things are happening on the screen, and the 30 fps never wavers or chugs. It is running as designed.

For all of those reasons and many more that I'm sure will get posted in this thread, you are more accepting of the 30 fps in most console games. However, if you suddenly ran a console game at 60 fps on a computer monitor that you were sitting less than 2 feet away from, it would look noticeably smoother than the same game running at its more likely 30 fps.

If you ran a pc game on a tv at 30 fps and sat 7 or 8 feet away playing it with a controller, you might not notice how crappy it is performing, despite the fact that it absolutely would be performing crappily.

In the same vein, film usually runs at about 20-25 fps equivalency, and it looks smooth when you watch it but part of that can have to do with the fact that you don't expect anything beyond what you're getting and you've never seen anything beyond what you're getting in that medium.

You don't even know what you're talking about i got my ps 4 and pc both on the same monitor and i did a research and experiment on this i played gta v on both pc and console i have about 40 fps on my pc and i can feel it the fps drop and all that than switch over to my ps 4 30 fps smooth as fk no fps drop how so ever

 

[FlintIronStagg]

then you need to lower your settings on your PC.

 

[bystander]

You don't even know what you're talking about i got my ps 4 and pc both on the same monitor and i did a research and experiment on this i played gta v on both pc and console i have about 40 fps on my pc and i can feel it the fps drop and all that than switch over to my ps 4 30 fps smooth as fk no fps drop how so ever

He talked about many differences between a console and PC. Not all of them apply at all times. Your experiment can be explained by more than 1 of the possible differences he mentioned.

 

[Amirreza_1]

well i i found why 30 fps looks smoother on console... I'm a fan of 30 fps, i'll play every single game on 30 expect wow lol and fifa
when after 1 years of searching i found a setting in Nvidia setting which is maximum pre-rendered frames, increasing this value results in smoother gameplay on lower framerates this may work
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well if u play with 30 fps on a 30hz monitor or tv, you'll feel the smoothness too
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motion blur may help too
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these are all i've found for myself, hope i helped you ♥

 

[fpsman]

The hell happened to this thread? The answer is simple.

Motion blur.

Blurs the frames so the differences between the frames, being shown at a relatively slow rate, are not so noticeable; this makes the sequence of images appear smoother.
Most PC games don't have this. Why? Ask the developer.

/thread

hahasha so true

 

[cats_Paw]

PC games have motion blur, its just that many people (me included) dont like it on.

 

[xAcropolis]

So you think 40 fps with screen tears and fps dips to 30, which is very noticeable, is ideal for gaming? There is a huge difference between 30 and 60 fps. The reason enthusiasts demand 60 fps is it does offer a smoother gaming experience and also, because we can.
Get over it, if it isn't for you then that is fine, enjoy your games at whatever fps you determine is acceptable. Everyone differs in this area.
Dont be so spiteful in your comments.

I never said that it's impossible to notice a difference I just said that it is subtle and will never be the difference between being able to properly play a game or not. Playing under 30 fps causes noticeable slow downs that actually cause the game to become unplayable Anything over 30 fps and you will never see the game slow to a crawl. If you are getting tearing that is normally a v-sync issue as you should know you PC enthusiast. The OP solidifies my point "Why do console games not feel jittery at 30 fps, yet PC games do?" The answer is they are EXACTLY THE SAME. PC games feeling worse than their console counterparts at the same framerate is ALL IN YOUR MIND. The difference between 40 fps and 60 fps is very hard to tell, let alone while you actually playing the game and not sitting around staring at ***. The actual difference is that 40 fps has a higher chance of dropping below the 30fps mark, this is when you will notice it, you will not notice when the game drops from 60 to 35fps I guarantee it.

I mean justifying putting super high end graphics cards in SLI for just plain old 1080p, is fine if it helps you sleep at night with your purchase, but that kind of set-up is really only needed for multiple monitors or super high resolution monitors and if your not using either you are wasting your money I'm sorry to tell you. But, you already knew that didn't you PC enthusiast?

Queue that guy that links the bouncing ball gif at 30fps vs. 60 fps.... Maybe my eyes are bad or whatever, but to say that a console at 30 fps is any different than a PC at 30 fps is just illogical. If you can play console games at 30 fps and stand it than you can play PC games at 30 fps and stand it. I mean 30 fps is the BARE MINIMUM mind you, but it still is technically playable. Some or maybe most console games are locked at 30 fps, normally it's not good to lock you system because you are just limiting you graphics card performance. I'm just saying I've played Far Cry 3 at 40 fps, then tried it with the settings higher and only get 30, while I can tell the difference it's VERY hard and I only play at 40 because I'm scared that in times of heavy chaos on the screen I might dip into the <30 frames region.

Even Nvidia says 40 fps is the sweet spot that you want your games to play on, you going to argue with them now? I will concede and agree that 60>30 but 40 vs. 60 is really not worth and extra 250 dollar card for, and I think most would agree with me.

you are crazy, there is a huge diffrence from 40 to 60 and their is a huger diffrence from 60 to 120 and my favorite is 244hz once you play on 244hz with 200-300 fps it is amazing(i use 244hz for competitive game)(I use 60hz for regular use)
and I know ive played on the ps4 console and pc (i5 6600k and gtx 1060) and their is a huge diffrence from 30-60 fps but 30 fps on console looks better than 30 fps on PC

 

[FlintIronStagg]

wow, this thread just wont die.

 

[bshand69]

You usually sit closer to your monitor than to a television, games on console are from the ground up built around looking good at 30 frames (creative uses with elements like motion blurring etc), controllers are less precise than a mouse and keyboard and don't give you the same feeling of connection so you effectively dull one of your sensory avenues for estimating how smooth/fast things are happening on the screen, and the 30 fps never wavers or chugs. It is running as designed.

For all of those reasons and many more that I'm sure will get posted in this thread, you are more accepting of the 30 fps in most console games. However, if you suddenly ran a console game at 60 fps on a computer monitor that you were sitting less than 2 feet away from, it would look noticeably smoother than the same game running at its more likely 30 fps.

If you ran a pc game on a tv at 30 fps and sat 7 or 8 feet away playing it with a controller, you might not notice how crappy it is performing, despite the fact that it absolutely would be performing crappily.

In the same vein, film usually runs at about 20-25 fps equivalency, and it looks smooth when you watch it but part of that can have to do with the fact that you don't expect anything beyond what you're getting and you've never seen anything beyond what you're getting in that medium.

actually I had console about 2years and I've played games on the same TV 24inch from the same distance like I'm playing now with my PC ,distance doesn't matter much ,it's something else . Even now on PC most games I'm playing with gamepad if game supports it ,not keyboard&mouse and there is a huge difference 30fps PC vs console when i slowly turning camera with gamepad . i experimented many games at 30fps on PC in some games you can even notice those frames very well,for example cap Skyrim at 30fps you will see how bad it looks compared to console and no matter what distance from a TV and even if there is no action ,trees on the screen or any other gpu demanding things those frames very noticeable unless you running game at least 45fps. So i know you said that the games on console are built to run good at 30fps but I'm still wonder why there is such a big difference in those 30fps pc vs console ,there is a same 30fps actually but the quality very different . I don't think that distance ,mouse and keyboard are biggest factors in this ,it's something more with hardware . Movies and fps they are different story but thanks any way for the effort .

 

[bshand69]

This is how i see it:
Consoles are an Iphone, PCs are Androide.
This means something simple:
A) Consoles run better, but you get what you are offered. You cant change this (well you can but... i hope you know what i mean).
B) PC are FAR harder to set up correctly, but once they are, they crush Consoles in every aspect.

I am a PC user, and I dont really enjoy consoles much, but i can see why console users prefer them to PCs.

Now, i dont think arguing over PC vs Console makes much sense as they are not even in the same league (how do you compare a Machine that is Designed for Gaming as its main Purpouse and has some added value to a machine that is used all over the world for thousands of applications, and, apart from that, it can also be used as a Gaming Rig?).

Personally i dont like to have to install DIrecX versions to get a game working, updating my video cards drivers only to find out ill need to wait for a hotfix, or having windows blue screens becosue my driver is incompatible with the sound card.

But all of that work, makes me enjoy the gaming expirince far more. The work pays off in this way.
Also, when you get a game running right with the mods/graphical improvments you find around there, and you play it, you feel very well about yourself knowing that you made it work.

Make a map for your favorite multiplayer game well enought, and people might be using it for years. Get that special modification for your network, and suddenly the game has no lag at all... and an extreamly long list of other possible tweaks that you simply cant do on the consoles.

 

[bshand69]

its very dependent on games. you can play counterstrike at 30 fps and ytou will get kills but playing the same game at 120 fps on a game that ties its packets to the frame rate will often make you more accurate than the guy playing at 30 fps who is getting 30 packets as opposed to your 120.
you are getting 4 times the amount of information which should result in you being able to see him first most of the time.

after reading most of this i can honestly say console players have very little idea of how hardware works. how games transfer data between host and players. this isnt there fault as its all been hidden away from them in the GUI's
console gaming isnt as smooth as pc and it isnt locked at 30 fps. if you played alan wake you would know this. its 1 of many titles that have severe jittering and thats going from 30 fps to 25. on pc you would hardly notice that 5 fps drop on a pc game running at 60 fps dropping to 55, and if your playing at the optimum settings for your card you should be getting 60 fps anyway.

sorry to say it but console gamers just dont understand gaming. like i said its not there fault because there so used to not seeing under the hood. you will see women claim the same when there cars run out of oil... uh! it needs oil... you didnt tell me that... well now she knows she still doesnt put the oil in...
consoel gamers=women... end of story 😉

Yeah you're right, I had no idea that packet data was related to graphical frame rate, that also makes zero sense, why would your graphical performance alter the network bandwidth used? I'm happy to be wrong on this, but I'm gonna call that one as rubbish.

Saying that console gaming isn't as smooth as PC is just stupid though...not implying YOU are stupid...but that statement is, because console hardware is a constant, and the games are designed to run on that specific constant...that doesn't apply to PC, unless you're saying my APU is on par with a Titan graphics card. Plus my example earlier is proof of that point, Blood Dragon is stuttery on PC (i'll define that as MY PC) compared to on console.

You don't need to understand the underlying mechanics of a game to appreciate it in a similar way that most PC users have no concept of how their computer actually works...yet they appreciate it...granted a few of the PC elitists i'm sure actually know the ins and outs of computing.

So basically what you were doing was having a dig at console gamers to defend your precious PC gaming because some of those console gamers who are trying PC gaming were confused at why games don't run as smoothly on PC as they do on console....surely you would want MORE people playing games on PC to make it more mainstream? What you are doing is attempting to alienate PC gaming by putting off console gamers (read the vast majority of gamers).....so well done you, that really is what i'd consider stupid.

I mean coming from someone liked me who upgraded to a GTX 670 FTW (Almost a 680 stock) just to potentially see this difference, I just don't. Even a game running at 60 fps could drop into the high 30s at some intense point, especially in multiplayer games, when other players effect performance as well. I hardly notice when a game dips into the high 30s, but I do admit that there is a slight difference, but it's nothing that effect the movement of your character or the input into the game. If it dips below 30 I immediately notice that drastic dip in quality and smoothness, that's the point, it isn't apples to apples and it's not a linear gain. 60 fps is slightly smoother than 40fps, but 40fps is like an entirely different game than 20fps.

its very dependent on games. you can play counterstrike at 30 fps and ytou will get kills but playing the same game at 120 fps on a game that ties its packets to the frame rate will often make you more accurate than the guy playing at 30 fps who is getting 30 packets as opposed to your 120.
you are getting 4 times the amount of information which should result in you being able to see him first most of the time.

after reading most of this i can honestly say console players have very little idea of how hardware works. how games transfer data between host and players. this isnt there fault as its all been hidden away from them in the GUI's
console gaming isnt as smooth as pc and it isnt locked at 30 fps. if you played alan wake you would know this. its 1 of many titles that have severe jittering and thats going from 30 fps to 25. on pc you would hardly notice that 5 fps drop on a pc game running at 60 fps dropping to 55, and if your playing at the optimum settings for your card you should be getting 60 fps anyway.

sorry to say it but console gamers just dont understand gaming. like i said its not there fault because there so used to not seeing under the hood. you will see women claim the same when there cars run out of oil... uh! it needs oil... you didnt tell me that... well now she knows she still doesnt put the oil in...
consoel gamers=women... end of story 😉

Yeah you're right, I had no idea that packet data was related to graphical frame rate, that also makes zero sense, why would your graphical performance alter the network bandwidth used? I'm happy to be wrong on this, but I'm gonna call that one as rubbish.

Saying that console gaming isn't as smooth as PC is just stupid though...not implying YOU are stupid...but that statement is, because console hardware is a constant, and the games are designed to run on that specific constant...that doesn't apply to PC, unless you're saying my APU is on par with a Titan graphics card. Plus my example earlier is proof of that point, Blood Dragon is stuttery on PC (i'll define that as MY PC) compared to on console.

You don't need to understand the underlying mechanics of a game to appreciate it in a similar way that most PC users have no concept of how their computer actually works...yet they appreciate it...granted a few of the PC elitists i'm sure actually know the ins and outs of computing.

So basically what you were doing was having a dig at console gamers to defend your precious PC gaming because some of those console gamers who are trying PC gaming were confused at why games don't run as smoothly on PC as they do on console....surely you would want MORE people playing games on PC to make it more mainstream? What you are doing is attempting to alienate PC gaming by putting off console gamers (read the vast majority of gamers).....so well done you, that really is what i'd consider stupid.

i guess you thought i meant in a general sense. i meant they dont understand gaming the online aspects. generally pc gamers that come here have an idea that games have settings you can adjust to improve performance of your internet. on console all this is hidden.

What on earth has that got to do with 30 frames per second on PC looking naff compared to the same 30 frames per second on console.

All you've done is confirm that you're trying to bash console players and put them off from joining PC gaming...refer to my previous comment of congratulating you on putting potential new people off your hobby.

Too answer everyone its simply the way console games are designed and set up for a console. as one mentioned the use of motion blur. That is a Huge part of it. almost all of it. I run doom with no motion blur on console at 60 fps (its stander max rate) and see each frame in the speed of a super speed slide show per say. The same would likely happen on PC but it doesn't because Doom has a fps of 120 to 200 on PC. ( you can see vids on you tube.) so that slide show look isn't seen.
Then on console you set the motion blur to even the min, setting and its completely gone. Most games I play on Pc have a a 90 or higher FPS rate. I dont have any games that allows me to cap frame rates on my PC so I might be missing something but for the most part IF im right I dont think there is much of a difference other than PC's being a bit more powerful now why a ps4 with the same specs as a PC i cant answer you think they could match, part of this has to do with console having vsynce permanantly on though I dont know enought to answer why that forces dev's to max out at 30 or 60 while pc's run the same game at usually over 90fps. OH like one also said the lack of a mouse and its extreme responsiveness also keeps 30 fps lock looking normal. This is a guess but maybe the lack of frame locks on pc games and the lack of dedication to gaming only actually makes games alot more demanding due to their unlocked frame rate. than again I haven't played new gen games on PC so I don't know how a game would run on a PC with the same hardware as a console. If it still runs at a much higher frame rate then im wrong. some more experienced pc gamer's may know more about this to give a full answer. I mainly want to know if a console and pc with equal hardware will run games faster than the console or if the hardware still holds it back. Im a pc and console gamer and i dont know a ton about the hardware but i do know IT DOES MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE. maybe it depends on the game BUT DOOM on console runs between 50 an 60fps- 60 on the ps4 pro. but at a 200fps rate on PC going between 120 and 200 but this rate is so fast you can't see the drops. Watch a vid on you youtube with the blur off and a frame counter and you'll see the huge difference. I dont know how this applies to all other games but it cleary shows a major difference between pc and console