Why all the AMD hate, guys?

[werxen]

Let us stop the fanboyism and acknowledge AMD's market strategy - the AVERAGE consumer not troubled by synthetic benchmark scores or maxing our Crysis. I see too much hate going on from both camps - let us make love not war. But in reality anyone who 'hates' AMD needs a friggin reality check. Intel will not be on top forever - anyone remember the Athlon series? People were sure AMD would lead the way forever after that.

 

[AMW1011]

There is a huge difference in what you say and how things played out. Keep in mind this extends from late 90s to 2006 when Spintel lifted Dell's (and others) restrictions.

Your first point, ya, the i7 is killing AMD right now, but Bulldozer was supposed to be out in 2009 (read a 2006 roadmap)

Your second point, EVERY COMPANY DOES blababla TO MAKE MONEY ... BS. Spintel lowered thier cpu prices to a point to stifle competition by selling at or near cost to make. Why? because they had billions in revenue coming from elsewhere besides CPUs. AMD did not, and cutting prices cuts AMD's profits all together to the point where they could not afford to continue. What happened? in 2006 AMD started losing massive ammounts of money in the CPU business so they purchased ATI bring in more revenue. AMD had to cut jobs and fabs to decrease spending, wich also pushed Bulldozer back by 2 years. INTEL MADE THIS HAPPEN over a 5+ year period.

As far as having a $1000 CPU, when has the top of the line cpu NOT been $1000? That has nothing to do with a company being corrupt, just a niche market to make a little money off of. Look at the current Spintel EE cpus.

In the meantime, Intel released thier Core processor line on time, AMD released Phenom late, Intel released thier I7 on time, AMD is late with Bulldozer. When you have to restructer a corp completely because of the monopolistic abuse of the competitor, things go bad.

Your third point, whose side were you on in 2004?

I never said that Intel wasn't corrupt and that they shouldn't be punished, I want Intel to be squeezed out of far more money and I want that money to go to AMD. I said that if AMD had 90%+ of the market then they would likely be doing stuff just as corrupt. Regardless, my entire point is that the morality, or lack thereof, of a company should not influence the purchasing decisions of the consumer as long as the company delivers good support for their customers on their products. That is all.

Your $1000 CPU point is exactly the one I made, the absolute best is always overpriced.

In 2004 I had built my first full computer, I had modded and tinkered with a few before then. At the age of 13-14 I did copious amounts of research with my friends and neighbor, who got me into this to begin with, and went in prepared. Whose side was I on in 2004? The same I have been on since then, the one that fit my needs the best at the time. I rocked my Athlon 64 3400+ for years and loved it, great price for the performance, $450 was what I paid I believe. I loved that thing and kept it for 2 and a half years and it never failed me or gave me problems until Oblivion came along. RIP my dear Athlon.

 

[jimmysmitty]

Intel hasnt paid up, as they wouldnt comply to the FTCs findings of due punishments, pertaining to their past activities, so its just the 4th hit, the FTC is next, as well as NY and its AG, and who knows what else is coming

Intel paid AMD. The second AMD signed the dotted line, it was pretty much over. The FTC wont fine Intel again. Just try to set more rules and guidelines that they as well as AMD have to abide by. Of course this is all in a free market, governed by rules. Kinda ironicly funny.

AMW1011, sorry but any money that anyone else gets out of Intel will not go to AMD. If the NY AG gets some it goes to NYS. The FTC, the governemnt. AMD got their money already. Its not a lot but out of honesty, its more than they would have gotten in a 10 year legal dispute if you count the attorney fees and such. With what they have now they can do more than they could in 10 years.

 

[AMW1011]

AMW1011, sorry but any money that anyone else gets out of Intel will not go to AMD. If the NY AG gets some it goes to NYS. The FTC, the governemnt. AMD got their money already. Its not a lot but out of honesty, its more than they would have gotten in a 10 year legal dispute if you count the attorney fees and such. With what they have now they can do more than they could in 10 years.

I'm totally aware of this, I just wish it was not true. 🙁

 

[Guest]

Anyone here using this smoke and mirror excuse about Intel the corporation is most likely a hypocrite. They are probably watching a tv made in Mexico. Wearing a blood diamond for jewelry. Driving a foreign vehicle from a different country they live in. This is all to justify their purchase of a second best cpu? lol Grow up and hopefully you don't teach your children your values. I guess being able to build your own video game computer DOES NOT make you even remotely intelligent.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Intel paid AMD. The second AMD signed the dotted line, it was pretty much over. The FTC wont fine Intel again. Just try to set more rules and guidelines that they as well as AMD have to abide by. Of course this is all in a free market, governed by rules. Kinda ironicly funny.

Certainly you know theres 2 types of lawsuits?
Or courts?
Civil has been paid, and is still being paid.
Not so for the rest ive mentioned plus whatever else crops up

This goes to the point of how much trouble Intel is in, as AMD couldnt split Intel up, as no court of that type has that ability.
The ones facing them do tho, and the measely amount paid and still being paid, which amounts closer to 4 billion, not just 1.25 billion are worse if this happens, and as for AMD abiding, yea, thats right they will, but what theyll have to do isnt anything new, whereas it could really hurt Intel, which is why they didnt abide by the FTCs requests

 

[AMW1011]

Certainly you know theres 2 types of lawsuits?
Or courts?
Civil has been paid, and is still being paid.
Not so for the rest ive mentioned plus whatever else crops up

This goes to the point of how much trouble Intel is in, as AMD couldnt split Intel up, as no court of that type has that ability.
The ones facing them do tho, and the measely amount paid and still being paid, which amounts closer to 4 billion, not just 1.25 billion are worse if this happens, and as for AMD abiding, yea, thats right they will, but what theyll have to do isnt anything new, whereas it could really hurt Intel, which is why they didnt abide by the FTCs requests

There are avenues to make Intel pay AMD, but none of them are going to be forth coming. Intel has paid a seemingly, and falsely, large sum to AMD. This appeases some and will make it much more difficult to convince the lobbyist-paid judges of further wrong doing. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

OJ was tried in 2 courts, even when found not guilty in the first one.
It doesnt work that way at all, as the judges cant be swayed with Intels current actions, only their past actions, and same goes to findings in other courts, unless theres exceptions, which are rare

 

[AMW1011]

OJ was tried in 2 courts, even when found not guilty in the first one.
It doesnt work that way at all, as the judges cant be swayed with Intels current actions, only their past actions, and same goes to findings in other courts, unless theres exceptions, which are rare

This assumes that Intel, like OJ, can't pay off judges which I find false.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Thats the problem here. Since its the Feds, they dont pay alot of attention to other countries.states etc, and they all work in harmony, and its tough to beat.
If OJ had had a judge instead of a jury, hed never had the ability to get arrested in Vegas heheh

 

[Upendra09]

also a response to Upendra on the last page: I don't think Bulldozer will be anything like a slightly better PII at all. Its arch is completely different, and by the tech info AMD released in the Financial Analyst Day '09 it looks pretty serious.

I know but AMD has gotten a lot of profit until the 1.25 billion dollars from Intel, which still won't be enough for R&D to effectively create a i7 killer. If i were AMD i would immediately spend that money into heavy marketing, and a bit of R&D

with marketing they will automatically get more sales......at least in the desktop market, their laptops are still below standard in most cases.

Bulldozer will also have to be pretty good to be able to beat the i7 6 core...if it doesn't then intel will still be considered top game

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

AMDs success for greater marketshare resides in OEM wins

 

[jennyh]

I think when it's something this big then you can't just pay off judges no.

It's global now. If intel are found innocent in the US after being found guilty in Japan, Korea and the EU...the US cannot afford that to happen.

Just how much damage will intel be allowed to do? It would be much better to make a harsh example of them right now because anything else just gives free reign to others with the same ideas.

 

[AMW1011]

I hope you are right Jenny, I just don't have a huge amount of confidence in the U.S. legal system.

 

[jennyh]

Well tbh I didnt either up till recently.

I wasn't at all impressed with the pathetic fine the EU levied against intel. $1.5bn sounds a lot until you see the $6bn intel threw at Dell. Tbh this made me lose a lot of faith in the EU courts and I consider it to be nothing more than a slap on the wrists.

On the flipside, there seems a real determination to bring intel to real justice in the US since then. It's probably all money motivated but if so that would be the ultimate irony. Either way I don't really care so long as intel are really made to pay and the end result is greater choice for the consumer.

 

[jennyh]

Note intel will never change while making a profit. The only thing that will bring change to intel is the removal of Otellini, and that will only happen when the shareholders vote him out, and that will only happen when intel start to lose real money for the past crimes commited by it's leadership.

I actually don't have anything against intel the brand, or the engineers etc. It's just the people in control who are corrupt to the core.

 

[Upendra09]

then you wouldn't support AMD so much and wouldn't be an AMD fangirl

i can say i have nothing against intel especially since by desktop and laptop are both intel processors.

but i still vouch for AMD in almost every reply to help the people in the forums. i am also going for an AMD build (Regor rulz!!!) i would have gone intel but it isn't as good as the regor and it is expensive

 

[yannifb]

Well tbh I didnt either up till recently.

I wasn't at all impressed with the pathetic fine the EU levied against intel. $1.5bn sounds a lot until you see the $6bn intel threw at Dell. Tbh this made me lose a lot of faith in the EU courts and I consider it to be nothing more than a slap on the wrists.

On the flipside, there seems a real determination to bring intel to real justice in the US since then. It's probably all money motivated but if so that would be the ultimate irony. Either way I don't really care so long as intel are really made to pay and the end result is greater choice for the consumer.

That also makes you realize how small of a deal to Intel that 1.25 bill they paid AMD was. IMO it should have been at least 3 bill to cover their debt.

 

[AMW1011]

then you wouldn't support AMD so much and wouldn't be an AMD fangirl

i can say i have nothing against intel especially since by desktop and laptop are both intel processors.

but i still vouch for AMD in almost every reply to help the people in the forums. i am also going for an AMD build (Regor rulz!!!) i would have gone intel but it isn't as good as the regor and it is expensive

Yeah Regor does kick ass, the $70 Athlon X2 250 can hit 3.8-4.0 GHz easily and is as fast clock for clock as an E8xxx series. Can't beat that deal.

 

[jennyh]

I support AMD because AMD are the underdogs and AMD have shown in the past that they can beat intel with a tiny fraction of their resources.

I support AMD because they have somehow managed to stay in the game with a much larger company hell-bent on destroying them.

I support AMD because even through all that, AMD just want to keep innovating. They settled for a fraction of what they could have got in court against intel, but rather than drag it out, they settled making sure intel agreed to fair competition rules.

On the other side? You have a bunch of misguided people who think intel is more worthy of support because of 5-10% performance increases built on the back of bribery and corruption.

I am much less of an AMD fangirl than I am an intel hater - or at least the people in control of intel. Nvidia could buy out AMD and I'd back Nvidia to the hilt against intel, and believe me I despise Nvidia also because of their immoral business practices.

Nvidia aren't so much crooked as just lacking morality though.

 

[jennyh]

Also one more thing.

Intel drove AMD into the hands of Arab oil barons. If globalfoundries ends up taking over the entire fab sector of semiconductors and moving fab production to abu dhabi, it was intel who made it happen. If you support intel because of some misguided idea that they are an American company, it's time to rethink that one.

 

[AMW1011]

So you support AMD because they are the underdogs and because they aren't Intel, even if their products perform 10% slower?

That is just dumb.

I support AMD because they have a lot of great products that have some serious performance for the money. I support Intel because they have some pretty damn fast, and in some instances fastest, products for a decent price.

A consumer should always get what fits his needs the best, not what is made by the most moral company.

 

[Upendra09]

Yeah Regor does kick ass, the $70 Athlon X2 250 can hit 3.8-4.0 GHz easily and is as fast clock for clock as an E8xxx series. Can't beat that deal.

i be going for the 240


I don't support intel because they are an American company, i couldn't care less where the hell they are from

for all i care they could be from antarctica and the i7 doesn't overclock so well on LN2 because it reminds i7 of its cold dark home 😛 😗

 

[yomamafor1]

Also one more thing.

Intel drove AMD into the hands of Arab oil barons. If globalfoundries ends up taking over the entire fab sector of semiconductors and moving fab production to abu dhabi, it was intel who made it happen. If you support intel because of some misguided idea that they are an American company, it's time to rethink that one.

LOL....

Intel drove AMD into the hands of Arab oil barons? Intel orchestrated Phenom I's ultimate failure? Intel orchestrated Hector's decision to overpay for ATI? Intel orchestrated AMD's poor management? Intel orchestrated AMD's arrogance? LOL....

Excuse me while I wipe the tears off my eyes...

 

[yomamafor1]

I support AMD because even through all that, AMD just want to keep innovating.

You mean when they were charging $300 for an X2 3800+ when Intel's Pentium D failed miserably? Or that they charged $1200 for an FX-62 that couldn't outperform a $300 E6600?

They settled for a fraction of what they could have got in court against intel, but rather than drag it out, they settled making sure intel agreed to fair competition rules.

Oh that's right. AMD's god send and kind hearted because they're short on money, and they couldn't negotiate a better term against Intel.

On the other side? You have a bunch of misguided people who think intel is more worthy of support because of 5-10% performance increases built on the back of bribery and corruption.

I am much less of an AMD fangirl than I am an intel hater - or at least the people in control of intel. Nvidia could buy out AMD and I'd back Nvidia to the hilt against intel, and believe me I despise Nvidia also because of their immoral business practices.

Nvidia aren't so much crooked as just lacking morality though.

LOL.... thanks for the comedy Jenny...thanks. You truly made my day.

 

[Upendra09]

uh oh

flame war beginning soon

Jenny don't get banned again