Why all the AMD hate, guys?

[werxen]

Let us stop the fanboyism and acknowledge AMD's market strategy - the AVERAGE consumer not troubled by synthetic benchmark scores or maxing our Crysis. I see too much hate going on from both camps - let us make love not war. But in reality anyone who 'hates' AMD needs a friggin reality check. Intel will not be on top forever - anyone remember the Athlon series? People were sure AMD would lead the way forever after that.

 

[sighQ2]

spintel simply announces the spin that comes with any information about spintel, and any information offered by spintel. You want me to respect criminal activity? spintel is in legal caca as a fulltime job. The law offers them respect.

It's like a hunter has great respect for prey; it is essential.

spintel probably makes people uncomfortable if they support spintel. I don't think that people's guilt is really my problem. I don't have that problem since I don't support spintel and neither do I hunt spintel. I simply wish it would go away; which it might; if we are truly respected by those in power. But man, the abuse is so blatantly obvious. And so announced. So well known to so many millions already. And prosecuted already on a global scale. That's uhhh - like pretty huge. So it must take a lot of spin to keep those wheels turning. Yes, things are going to change. There's no other way to spin it.

Or we could real dysfunctional about it - ya know? Like, How are you? O, I am fine. Just fine. Meanwhile the dogs are at the door.

Did I miss something? 4 antitrust cases doesn't matter? what? how many before it's just not ok anymore?

O that's just normal - well, I forgot what normal was. just ask bad trip. lmao.

What is wrong with this picture? You don't believe this is happening?

Why all the AMD hate, guys?

really
.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

I believe you know why all the hate siqh, alot of the haters were once K8 owners, on skt 939, We all know how that played out.
Some still feel extremely burned, especially with the 65nm cache, and then the delay after delay, and to coupse de gras, Phenom and its low clocks, and less than thrilling perf.

Others are just Intel fans, or work there.

Im thinking its the same way for some, they just want AMD to go away, and we need both

 

[yomamafor1]

I have seen what you post here - lots, well, enough that I simply skim and see the usual nothing to say really - sorry if that offends but perpetual spin and cheerleading for spintel will never favourably impress me. However, I can reconsider and actually read your posts and take them seriously if you think I have misunderstood you. Do you think I should do that for future reference? Or perhaps you prefer to just discredit me instead? That's a popular sport with a lot of lameass morons here - many simply spew crap in all threads - the level of seriousness here is severely hampered by that. It can be exciting being at odds with people; but that's hardly what I call useful. I can't change people. The only one I can sometimes control is myself. Perhaps you are better than that. I try to be open-minded; but it's easier here, it often seems, to be at war with utter stupidity. I don't really think there's much to lose here; and possibly something to gain, unless the price is too high. I consider this to be a spintel paid site - and I hate spintel and love the AMD scene. That puts me on a pedestal in a site where mockery, minimization, general abuse and bs spin propaganda are supported by all the official publications, news articles, test reports, etc. as a starting point. I have nothing to lose here - that's what makes it interesting. AMD is merely patronized here generally. spintel is worshipped and it's all based on lies, misrepresentation, abuse, and especially a very subtle placation.

Your description of getting banned from the the zone is minimal and simplistic - you could support your comments by linking to the thread that caused you to be banned. Was it your intent to just defecate in the place and think that was cool? There's a lot that do the equivalent of that.

I liked the zone and made some serious contributions while I was there because I wanted to and I wanted to payback for what I was learning. And I wanted to support AMD. I became quite useful to a cause I willingly supported. But I was stepped on one day; and then banned for a week; and then returned and quit and deleted everything I could - my petty revenge. I should have been banned for numerous blatant other things but it was a personal political discussion that took me down - and this in a forum where it was ok to say anything, anything, anything - members only political - I went all esoteric on them, and they went crazy - so yeh, I know they are crazy - but it's not like the bs that's spoken here about them - what's said here is mere ignorance, and misrepresentation, and people playing cool.

It's not easy being an AMD supporter - the spintel marketing machine has a grip on people here that is like brainwash. To be an AMD fan, you have to want it, choose it. I suppose that's enough for people to see me as crazy. But I see it as extremely dangerous to support the terrorism of spintel and lay down like a good little sheep while they rape everything. I only do what I believe in; I have to be true to what I know is true. There is always more to learn. Perhaps you will be the next teacher; or through these blatant comments, I will learn something I have been pursuing a long time. I can only gain here; there is nothing to lose. There is nothing here that I need. But with real people, it is something different. Seems to me I recall something real about you, or at least having that impression. You are pretty outspoken too.

The comment you make about learning from ads is not the thing. I learned stuff at the zone about the inner world of processors, etc. etc. - and I thought I knew a lot already. Not so; I was often reduced to reading stuff that was so far over my head that I was googling for info just to establish the general drift of the topic. There are some very knowledgeable people there; and yes, MU Eng, is one of them. There are others. Some of them are high profile and subject to ridicule by the crows that live here. Some labelled insane can run circles around most of the participants here. Truth is like a pearl. Don't cast your pearls before swine. Cast garbage and they love it; it is food to them; and they know not what they are. And often, not who they are either.

Thanks for dropping in. I don't know why I post stuff about me; there's no respect here from too many. I guess I don't care what they think. At least, their world is not where I want to be - so I am not here in that sense. Petty minds see truth and marvel at it like some alien thing. It is relatively rare here; but not entirely absent. I can think of a handful of people here that are worthy of attention; the rest I struggle to remain open to the chance that they might wake up and discover their own ability to remember themselves for 5 seconds.

and then I pushed the submit button

Thank you for reinforcing my belief that anyone who goes to AMDzone regularly cannot be a knowledgeable person.

 

[sighQ2]

Maybe increasing the dosage of your medication will help there.

Even though the idiot Mods banned you for what you supposedly said in that Politics forum, the truth is that they were keen to get rid of you because you were embarrassing them with your loopy posts in the main section.

They felt that your posts there were proof positive of how out of touch many AMDZone regulars were, and because they didn't feel they could ban you because you loved AMD too much, they found another reason to spare them the embarrassment you were causing.

In fact I am pretty sure at one point they thought you were an Intel troll trying to make AMD fanboys look bad, so ridiculous was the nonsense you were spouting.

When the creeps at AMDZone decide your love of AMD is unhealthy, then you know you have a problem.

WELL I HAVE TRIED IGNORING YOU.

AND I HAVE TRIED SHOWING YOU A LITTLE RESPECT.

AND YOU JUST DON'T QUIT - DO YA SPORT?

SO AM I SUPPOSED TO JUST TOLERATE YOUR TEENY BOPPERS BS FOREVER OR
HOW MUCH LONGER BEFORE I GET TO TELL YOU TO
F...
RIGHT
OFF

AND HOW FAR DOES IT HAVE TO GO
BEFORE WE DISCOVER
THE MAGIC OF MODERATION

WHAT

DO I NEED TO REGISTER AN OFFICIAL COMPLAINT OF WTF?????

IF WOULD NOT BE SO BAD
IF YOU HAD SOMETHING TO SAY
BUT
THIS IS HORSEPUKKY -

 

[Chad Boga]

WELL I HAVE TRIED IGNORING YOU.

AND I HAVE TRIED SHOWING YOU A LITTLE RESPECT.

AND YOU JUST DON'T QUIT - DO YA SPORT?

SO AM I SUPPOSED TO JUST TOLERATE YOUR TEENY BOPPERS BS FOREVER OR
HOW MUCH LONGER BEFORE I GET TO TELL YOU TO
F...
RIGHT
OFF

AND HOW FAR DOES IT HAVE TO GO
BEFORE WE DISCOVER
THE MAGIC OF MODERATION

WHAT

DO I NEED TO REGISTER AN OFFICIAL COMPLAINT OF WTF?????

IF WOULD NOT BE SO BAD
IF YOU HAD SOMETHING TO SAY
BUT
THIS IS HORSEPUKKY -

Nothing I said was untrue or unfair.

As for moderation, I know you aren't exactly much of a clear thinker, but how do you think your assertions that people who don't agree with your conspiracy theory nonsense are brainwashed or on Intel's payroll :lol: or whatever else ridiculous thing you have to say, plays out?

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

OK, time to step in.
Theres been a subjct being attacked, and because it just a subject, thats fine, but nothing personal, attack the message, not the messenger.
When I get to this point, its either or, so clean it up everyone

 

[sighQ2]

Nothing I said was untrue or unfair.

As for moderation, I know you aren't exactly much of a clear thinker, but how do you think your assertions that people who don't agree with your conspiracy theory nonsense are brainwashed or on Intel's payroll :lol: or whatever else ridiculous thing you have to say, plays out?

YOU DON'T KNOW ME

EVERYTHING YOU SAY DOES NOT DESCRIBE ME

EVERYTHING YOU SAY IS IDIOT INSULT

GET THE F OFF MY CASE MORON.


I AM DONE WITH YOU

DO NOT SPEAK TO ME.

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this is like a half dozen posts all same kind of useless junk from some mentally deficient persistent troll

well if you took your meds everything would be rosy - such originality.
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[-Gamah]

I read this whole thread and my opinion still stands.

Latest most bleeding edge AMD product will be 40-75% the cost of the latest most bleeding edge Intel product, and still provide at least 80% the perofrmance. I'm going to stick with bragging rights about more money in my wallet than a few extra points on a benchmark. Unless you're making more money using your equipment than you are spending on it you should invest for what suits your needs.

I can almost most certainly guarantee that the big hollywood FX producers are using something far more proprietary than the processors us consumers argue about. This doesn't mean that Intel isn't better, but I do firmly believe that AMD is the better value.

 

[sighQ2]

OK, time to step in.
Theres been a subjct being attacked, and because it just a subject, thats fine, but nothing personal, attack the message, not the messenger.
When I get to this point, its either or, so clean it up everyone

deal with this creep

 

[yomamafor1]

YMM it cant have 40 anyways, it has to have 80, and yes, these are for this year, not next year, when theyll truly be on chip

Thats described as per engine, meaning totally scalable IGPs. from what Ive read, BD will have 320.

Remember, theyre going from 55 to 28nm, thats 2 nodes, and at this point, its perf first, as costs are small, so while I recognize his point, it doesnt fit.

Seems youre using my posts to change the topic, and havnt addressed my points at all, and no, like I said, I got his point, and even said what hed say before he said it as proof, or, AMD buying ATI ruined it. Thus its failure, and then youre here telling me itll be 40 shaders, and guess who misunderstood who?

It has to be 80, since 16x5 is 80. AMD has said its based on the 5xxx series, and not the 3xxx series

So, look it up, and see what Im talking about, and how thingsll change, permanently

Actually from the information so far, the Liano will be built on 32nm, not 28nm. So from 45nm to 32nm, that's one node jump, not two like you claimed. Even we're going by the GPU standard, that's 40nm to 32nm jump (assuming its based on the Evergreen family), so that's half a node jump.

Secondly, unless you have insider information you would like to share, you would have absolutely no clue on its performance. So again, you're masquerading your wild speculation as a matter of fact.

And lastly, having a better IGP on die is still not a tremendous factor for people to switch over to AMD, or cause Intel's graphics market share to crash. People who buys IGP don't play graphically intensive games. In fact, people who uses IGPs don't really play games, and this is the reason why Intel can make "just good enough" product to satisfy people with mediocre graphical performance while costing less than its competitors (which I proved). We all saw AMD trying to beat Intel out of the IGP market share by bundling a better IGP. The result? Intel still commands over 50% of the graphical market, and people are still paying money to buy Intel IGPs. Will Liano delivers better graphical performance? Perhaps. Will that change anything? Not likely.

 

[yomamafor1]

YOU DON'T KNOW ME

EVERYTHING YOU SAY DOES NOT DESCRIBE ME

EVERYTHING YOU SAY IS IDIOT INSULT

GET THE F OFF MY CASE MORON.


I AM DONE WITH YOU

DO NOT SPEAK TO ME.

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this is like a half dozen posts all same kind of useless junk from some mentally deficient persistent troll

well if you took your meds everything would be rosy - such originality.
=======================

deal with this creep

Spoken like someone who's from AMDzone. Of course, I expected no less.

 

[sighQ2]

I read this whole thread and my opinion still stands.

Latest most bleeding edge AMD product will be 40-75% the cost of the latest most bleeding edge Intel product, and still provide at least 80% the perofrmance. I'm going to stick with bragging rights about more money in my wallet than a few extra points on a benchmark. Unless you're making more money using your equipment than you are spending on it you should invest for what suits your needs.

I can almost most certainly guarantee that the big hollywood FX producers are using something far more proprietary than the processors us consumers argue about. This doesn't mean that Intel isn't better, but I do firmly believe that AMD is the better value.

I think I can safely agree with all you say here.

And thank you for posting something real; I needed to hear that.

 

[-Gamah]

q2, to be honest I completely disagree with all the counterpoints you keep coming up with, as well as your childish behavior. You seem to pull facts out of thin air and expect people to believe them. Also, typing in all caps should be used for EMPHASIS, not entire posts. Not only is it annoying, but it makes you come off as rather immature. That said, you may want to take a break from forums and the internet to go live a little. There's more to life than being right in some insignificant argument that constantly changes sides (between Intel and AMD being on top, since it flip flops over the years.)

This is not a personal attack, but rather an attempt at a nice way of explaining to you why so many people are disagreeing with you.

 

[sighQ2]

Spoken like someone who's from AMDzone. Of course, I expected no less.

hahaha
ok sweety
but I am not from amdzone, or anywhere else.

There seems to be some notion that the fusion chip is just some neat novelty item. I am not really up on it; but there must some good reasons for the fusion concept. Hmmm, perhaps I need to research at the zone for accurate info.

What I mean is
There must be some cost considerations, and some performance considerations with the close proximity of the cpu and gpu. I can't see it just being a substitute chip for simple onboard grafx chip. Although, initially it might be that. I expect a high performance chip eventually.

In that way it is similar to the IMC concept - more about performance due to close proximity.

But these are just my thoughts - I have really not pursued accurate info on Fusion. It's all speculation at this point, as far as I know. hmmm even that could be wrong.

 

[yomamafor1]

Why all the AMD hate, guys?

really
.

I believe you know why all the hate siqh, alot of the haters were once K8 owners, on skt 939, We all know how that played out.
Some still feel extremely burned, especially with the 65nm cache, and then the delay after delay, and to coupse de gras, Phenom and its low clocks, and less than thrilling perf.

Others are just Intel fans, or work there.

Im thinking its the same way for some, they just want AMD to go away, and we need both

Right, I was a K8 owner, and because I hated AMD so much, I put my money down for a Phenom II X4 940BE rig. I despised AMD so much, that I also got rid of my GTX285s and got a 4870. I simply cannot stand AMD at all, that's why if people ask me to build them a budget gaming rig, or asked me for building advices, I recommend AMD products. And because of my utter hatred for AMD, I'm saving up for a 5870. :lol: :lol:

Of all the people JDJ and other AMD fanboy/fangirls argued against, most of them have owned, and / or currently owning an AMD system, and will continue to look at AMD for competition and innovations, because we just hate AMD so much, and want to see it to go away.

 

[sighQ2]

q2, to be honest I completely disagree with all the counterpoints you keep coming up with, as well as your childish behavior. You seem to pull facts out of thin air and expect people to believe them. Also, typing in all caps should be used for EMPHASIS, not entire posts. Not only is it annoying, but it makes you come off as rather immature. That said, you may want to take a break from forums and the internet to go live a little. There's more to life than being right in some insignificant argument that constantly changes sides (between Intel and AMD being on top, since it flip flops over the years.)

This is not a personal attack, but rather an attempt at a nice way of explaining to you why so many people are disagreeing with you.

Thank you. And now I disagree with you generally.

Since you read the whole thread you might understand my all caps explosion - this is comparable to one being fed up with a buzzing house fly, and finally reaching for a flyswatter to terminate that which is merely a disruption. I am quite familiar with the etiquette of all caps.

As for childish; don't know how you get there.

Pulling facts out of air - well - I don't see people linking to resources for most posts here. And this is more of a war thread than anything else; although it has had some "feel the love" moments esp. with yomama.

But the facts of the antitrust thing are not well known to many. It is happening again, or happening still, depending on your point of view. But you probably know that since you read the thread and I mentioned it just a few times - ahem.

Beyond that, perhaps you have noticed by childlike state of grace, and perhaps failed to realize what you were perceiving. It would not be the first time. 😀

 

[randomizer]

I can almost most certainly guarantee that the big hollywood FX producers are using something far more proprietary than the processors us consumers argue about.

Pixar switched from Sun to Intel processors earlier this decade but I can't find anything recent about what they use now.

EDIT: Correction - earlier last decade 😉

 

[fjc1998]

You can't underestimate a good CPU and this is why the extra cost for Intel is always better. AMD is simply slow and terrible in everyday. If You encode a lot of video you might want to take a little nap if you're using an AMD .The AMD Phenom 2 is an expensive door stop.

It all end in tears with AMD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgOmMAasqto

Choose Intel

Why? It all depends on your budget and you sound like a fanboi

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Actually from the information so far, the Liano will be built on 32nm, not 28nm. So from 45nm to 32nm, that's one node jump, not two like you claimed. Even we're going by the GPU standard, that's 40nm to 32nm jump (assuming its based on the Evergreen family), so that's half a node jump.

Secondly, unless you have insider information you would like to share, you would have absolutely no clue on its performance. So again, you're masquerading your wild speculation as a matter of fact.

And lastly, having a better IGP on die is still not a tremendous factor for people to switch over to AMD, or cause Intel's graphics market share to crash. People who buys IGP don't play graphically intensive games. In fact, people who uses IGPs don't really play games, and this is the reason why Intel can make "just good enough" product to satisfy people with mediocre graphical performance while costing less than its competitors (which I proved). We all saw AMD trying to beat Intel out of the IGP market share by bundling a better IGP. The result? Intel still commands over 50% of the graphical market, and people are still paying money to buy Intel IGPs. Will Liano delivers better graphical performance? Perhaps. Will that change anything? Not likely.

If theyre on chip yes, theyll be 32nm, if not, 28, so either a node and a half, or 2 full, And, as said by jimmy, who I was responding to, theyll be no different, as in, todays 55nm IGPs based on the 3xxx series, which was 8x5, unlike the newer DX11 compliant 5xxx series 16x5
So 80 at the minimum, not forty, quartered in size, and using HKMG for power and heat, allowing for better clocks, better usage of system ram, cpu/gpu interconnects etc.

One place for good speculation is here
http://aceshardware.freeforums.org/amd-fusion-t925.html

Some were saying 480, but its thought to be 320 now. Either way, it sure beats 40 with slower interconnects for both ram and cpu

 

[yomamafor1]

If theyre on chip yes, theyll be 32nm, if not, 28, so either a node and a half, or 2 full, And, as said by jimmy, who I was responding to, theyll be no different, as in, todays 55nm IGPs based on the 3xxx series, which was 8x5, unlike the newer DX11 compliant 5xxx series 16x5
So 80 at the minimum, not forty, quartered in size, and using HKMG for power and heat, allowing for better clocks, better usage of system ram, cpu/gpu interconnects etc.

One place for good speculation is here
http://aceshardware.freeforums.org/amd-fusion-t925.html

Some were saying 480, but its thought to be 320 now. Either way, it sure beats 40 with slower interconnects for both ram and cpu

Again, all of the specifications are up in the air at the moment, and I'm sure it will feature much less than 320 stream processor. The 5600 series currently has 400 stream processors, with estimated TDP of around 40W. According to AMD, they want the entire Fusion processor (4 core + IGP) to be sub 100W. Given that the current Phenom II has the TDP of around 130W, I'm not sure if AMD can fit in another 320 stream processors onto the die, even with 32nm and HKMG (reportedly).

But of course, unless the specifications are confirmed, all of the speculations now are pretty much useless.

Either way, will it be better than the current IGP? Perhaps. Will it be significantly better? Maybe. Will people care if AMD's IGP is 2x faster than Intel's IGP? No. Will people dump their Intel machine just to get an AMD Fusion? No. Like I said earlier, Intel's IGP is always very slow, yet they still have the largest market share. That shows that people couldn't care less.

 

[-Gamah]

Thank you. And now I disagree with you generally.

Since you read the whole thread you might understand my all caps explosion - this is comparable to one being fed up with a buzzing house fly, and finally reaching for a flyswatter to terminate that which is merely a disruption. I am quite familiar with the etiquette of all caps.

As for childish; don't know how you get there.

Pulling facts out of air - well - I don't see people linking to resources for most posts here. And this is more of a war thread than anything else; although it has had some "feel the love" moments esp. with yomama.

But the facts of the antitrust thing are not well known to many. It is happening again, or happening still, depending on your point of view. But you probably know that since you read the thread and I mentioned it just a few times - ahem.

Beyond that, perhaps you have noticed by childlike state of grace, and perhaps failed to realize what you were perceiving. It would not be the first time. 😀

On a board full of what should be respectful adults there is never a reason to make multiple posts in all caps with childish insults. If someone has managed to upset you that much over the internet, I fell that you honestly should take a break for your own health and well being. A pretty good example of childish behavior in this post alone is you now disagreeing with me simply because I pointed out why people are being so harsh on you. You're making it personal instead of topical again.

Since I don't enjoy drama on boards, I will choose to ignore any more personal posts from you.

Pixar switched from Sun to Intel processors earlier this decade but I can't find anything recent about what they use now.

EDIT: Correction - earlier last decade 😉

Using an Intel chip doesn't mean they are using the kinds of chips us consumers are able to get our hands on, I still bet all of their processors are proprietary and designed specifically for their applications.

 

[cjl]

I'd be surprised if their processors were proprietary. More likely, they have a massive number of standard chips, probably Xeons.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

AMDs current is more than 2x, this is a huge perf jump, and try to remember, its not discrete, so no pcb, no ram, no fan and itll fit within current IGP TDPs at the smaller process and HKMG.
Remember, some are thinking 480 shaders, such as Hans Devries, so 320 certainly seems doable, as this is simply not just a IGP functional unit , but the APU side of that particular change, doing all the FP work, which also eliminates the dies space on the cpu, so a trade off, allowing for overall TDP distributions.

So, theres no doubt it will be hugely better, and its the primary reason Intel is doing this, as LRB was set to do gpgpu functionality, discretely for this particular use, which will be combined for lessor use on chip with BD, and still discretely with future ATI and fermi designs

PS Later on, once LRB is functioning, this too will be Intels approach on Haswell, I believe, using LRB on die

 

[yannifb]

Guys seriously you shouldn't be arguing so much. I mean if you think there is no way AMD can catch up, think again. Can you honestly deny that ever since Phenom II they have improved by a great deal, and that Dirk Meyer (new CEO) is actually a pretty competent guy? I mean seriously, with 45nm AMD was behind Intel by a year (more or less) and now with 32nm they will only be about 4 months behind. Also look at the new lineup AMD has for 2010 and 2011. Quad core laptop chips (finally) in H1 2010, Thuban in H1 2010, ultrathin notebook cpus in H1 2010, and in 2011 they have Bulldozer, BD based 12 core opterons, APU's, 6XXX GPUs (look at the roadmap for proof), and 28nm netbook chips.

 

[BadTrip]

Guys seriously you shouldn't be arguing so much. I mean if you think there is no way AMD can catch up, think again. Can you honestly deny that ever since Phenom II they have improved by a great deal, and that Dirk Meyer (new CEO) is actually a pretty competent guy? I mean seriously, with 45nm AMD was behind Intel by a year (more or less) and now with 32nm they will only be about 4 months behind. Also look at the new lineup AMD has for 2010 and 2011. Quad core laptop chips (finally) in H1 2010, Thuban in H1 2010, ultrathin notebook cpus in H1 2010, and in 2011 they have Bulldozer, BD based 12 core opterons, APU's, 6XXX GPUs (look at the roadmap for proof), and 28nm netbook chips.

There is no way you will see production 32nm from AMD before next christmas. Even the bozos at the zone know that it is not possible.