Why all the AMD hate, guys?

[werxen]

Let us stop the fanboyism and acknowledge AMD's market strategy - the AVERAGE consumer not troubled by synthetic benchmark scores or maxing our Crysis. I see too much hate going on from both camps - let us make love not war. But in reality anyone who 'hates' AMD needs a friggin reality check. Intel will not be on top forever - anyone remember the Athlon series? People were sure AMD would lead the way forever after that.

 

[sighQ2]

you have to think of any form of fanaticism as the perpetual disillusionment trap, the rationale used by insinuated self proclaimed saviors, is really wasted for the most part.
When the fanatic realizes a flaw in his her idol they have to go through several mechanisms to cope like denial, anger, and in the end a distorted form of acceptance with conditions that still idolize the target, you find this in so many things any more its hard to even want to try to combat it since saving yourself is easier and alot less prone to futility and anguish.

A common deficiency is respect, I have only owned AMD but I respect Intel, even more after I found out Moore discounted his observation as being called a law. but you dont get that level of attentiveness and acceptance by most people they simply do not have the self regulating thught and the problem solving capacity and to be honest that was my deficiency before I blasted my head off with LSD.

It sucks but its part of the human condition.

I hear you, and I enjoy the flow too. My personal trip has been about personal evolution, and I have worked hard. I find difficulty in accepting limitation - but I get myself in trouble when I want to share valuable experience and experientials with "don't cast your Perls before swine". You can Maybe lead a horse to water, but..... that's about it. I think you just did that at least 3 times, eh. doh. some can't see the room with their noses against the wall, lost in 'contrariness'.


(again the spell checker reveals it's limitation - it actually redlines the word "experientials". Actually, just the plural form - amusing.
but it took "contrariness". 😀

 

[Chad Boga]

I hear you, and I enjoy the flow too. My personal trip has been about personal evolution, and I have worked hard. I find difficulty in accepting limitation - but I get myself in trouble when I want to share valuable experience and experientials with "don't cast your Perls before swine". You can Maybe lead a horse to water, but..... that's about it. I think you just did that at least 3 times, eh. doh. some can't see the room with their noses against the wall, lost in 'contrariness'.

You know your crazy worldview that only AMD fans have their heads screwed on properly reminds me of a line Kevin Bacon's character in JFK said to Kevin Costner after Costner's character was questioning his fanciful claims, "You don't know anything because you've never been Fcuked in the arse".

 

[lostandwandering]

Afraid or just advocating censorship.
Pursue the truth until you find out what [it] really is that has your attention. Threadlock will just delay the inevitable. People are not "stupid"; in fact, the word should be deleted.

I doubt it was either. It's just the fact that none of the current arguments going on, ie MM and Jenny or Vern and Chad, have anything to do with Intel or AMD (AMD being the topic of the thread).

 

[verndewd]

Fanboi ignorance is just a grating annoyance in the persuit of discussing facts, the reason its heated is that it always derails a decent conversation and places it in a sub intelligent bickering sewer.

Anyone that hates Intel or AMD just doesnt know enough and probably are best avoided in discussion, its not like people with extensive knowledge owe it to any community to argue with an ill equipped savante s really the respnsibility lay on the more experienced ps users, and guess what?

they fail to maintain a dignified approach just as consistently as the noob.

People cannot get past themselves or their need to feel validated from outsiders and it comes through more than most topics discoveries.

I almost fell into that trap of needing to be the "guy" but it eventually bored the pyss out of me. I treated it like id treat a cheating wife "get down the road toad"

My defeat f it is in not only admitting err and eating crow but exposing my error when i found it. like getting into tos breaking arguments with morons and telling rando so he could gloat about his mad powah in my forums 😀

As a friend he spared me no luxuries of self deception, thats what real friends do. If the pc builders on the web had the same attitude forums would be a bit less frictuous

 

[verndewd]

I hear you, and I enjoy the flow too. My personal trip has been about personal evolution, and I have worked hard. I find difficulty in accepting limitation - but I get myself in trouble when I want to share valuable experience and experientials with "don't cast your Perls before swine". You can Maybe lead a horse to water, but..... that's about it. I think you just did that at least 3 times, eh. doh. some can't see the room with their noses against the wall, lost in 'contrariness'.


(again the spell checker reveals it's limitation - it actually redlines the word "experientials". Actually, just the plural form - amusing.
but it took "contrariness". 😀

lol life in a box isnt living 😀

 

[sighQ2]

my opinion of spintel is similar to how i see mudfaced monitors - always explaining away their accountability

seriously - it's easy to rationalize anything. But when you roadtest the new reality and all the wheels keep falling off, you might think something is wrong with the self-righteous justification. When the call to question results in easy excuse 'excuse me' kind of response, you know you have a point. Does it do any good? Perhaps; run the road test in the face of reality.... and beware the pit you have dug... not to mention unruly spinoffs of looky-here precedence.
There is no lack of forgiveness; but there is no need for it until a problem is admitted - denial meanwhile is not a river in Egypt. No problem = no fix required.

So does that mean we can just do whatever trash and evolution will proceed rather then degeneration? This is central to recurrence - the roadtest will reveal that - make your choice - call your future. and that's in your face all alone. no problem it seems. yet.

Perhaps we can all just close our eyes.... and dream on.

 

[verndewd]

my opinion of spintel is similar to how i see mudfaced monitors - always explaining away their accountability

seriously - it's easy to rationalize anything. But when you roadtest the new reality and all the wheels keep falling off, you might think something is wrong with the self-righteous justification. When the call to question results in easy excuse 'excuse me' kind of response, you know you have a point. Does it do any good? Perhaps; run the road test in the face of reality.... and beware the pit you have dug... not to mention unruly spinoffs of looky-here precedence.
There is no lack of forgiveness; but there is no need for it until a problem is admitted - denial meanwhile is not a river in Egypt. No problem = no fix required.

So does that mean we can just do whatever trash and evolution will proceed rather then degeneration? This is central to recurrence - the roadtest will reveal that - make your choice - call your future. and that's in your face all alone. no problem it seems. yet.

Perhaps we can all just close our eyes.... and dream on.

:lol:
In our news gathering for our conspiracy site we have dug up so much corporate legislation and BS that I cant hate Intel for what is a global method. having family in corporate mental states just outlines the problem and it is a problem, there is a silent allegiance to the corporate structure that over rides basic human ideals and thats what flame wars come down to in their essence. its a mental illness that is sold as a needed paradigm for the world to function when in reality it only creates dysfunction unless the persuit is economically positive for both sides.

When assessing fanboi ism one needs to fillet the elements that create the grating noise in doing so you realize very quickly how ignorant people are and choose to remain. They want to create a reality they think serves them and in it serving them, it alienates others ; They then perscribe to the idea that alienation is an acceptable loss in such and such percentage , not really realizing the common quantum physical sameness they are lacerating which in energetic terms affects the whole with more dissonance, or incongruent energies that destabilize scientific sameness or intrinsic unity.

Effective corporate mentalities base their method on sun tzu's art of war so the corporate metality is a war mentality and guess what happens here most?

 

[sighQ2]

I doubt it was either. It's just the fact that none of the current arguments going on, ie MM and Jenny or Vern and Chad, have anything to do with Intel or AMD (AMD being the topic of the thread).

hmmm well yes

the real topic 'why the (amd) hate'

it's being revealed slowly - it mainly remains for some conspicuous people to realize what's becoming visible for all to see.

unfortunately some will prefer "life with blinkers on" - a strange form of 'protectionism' perhaps; and that again announces that which is seemingly avoided, conveniently at all costs. However, the price is getting higher to some, and some of those aren't knowingly participating, or even here to know it's happening.

most of it will be swept away, explained away, or banned away. all of those options are waste. there is value here for the harvesting.

renovation is a very destructive process.

so yeh, why all the hate?

 

[sighQ2]

:lol:
In our news gathering for our conspiracy site we have dug up so much corporate legislation and BS that I cant hate Intel for what is a global method. having family in corporate mental states just outlines the problem and it is a problem, there is a silent allegiance to the corporate structure that over rides basic human ideals and thats what flame wars come down to in their essence. its a mental illness that is sold as a needed paradigm for the world to function when in reality it only creates dysfunction unless the persuit is economically positive for both sides.

When assessing fanboi ism one needs to fillet the elements that create the grating noise in doing so you realize very quickly how ignorant people are and choose to remain. They want to create a reality they think serves them and in it serving them, it alienates others ; They then perscribe to the idea that alienation is an acceptable loss in such and such percentage , not really realizing the common quantum physical sameness they are lacerating which in energetic terms affects the whole with more dissonance, or incongruent energies that destabilize scientific sameness or intrinsic unity.

Effective corporate mentalities base their method on sun tzu's art of war so the corporate metality is a war mentality and guess what happens here most?

agree. and thanx for the ride.

The AoW ref. is familiar. In fact, I have personally observed it to be a roadmap to spintel's actions - unfortunately, waging war in peacetime has been flagged as unacceptable, and now, it's even more serious, and we have trials for war crimes and various atrocities. Indeed I could compare it to historicals; but rather would avoid that in respect for the atrocitized.

(and yeh, that one broke the spell checker)

There was a guy on the zone who quoted art of war, and then proceeded to flame thread his way into self-defeat and ban; and all through the thread, he ignored me as I pointed out half a dozen quotes in ref. to his tactics being the unsound work of a general engineering his own defeat. I guess he knew not that I had the book, when he first referred to it - but to ignore his own guidance - wow - down he went - it was a beautiful illustration of the principles outlined - but he fought well - in total denial.

I feel safe to say spintel went too far also. one must remember to leave a few troops to guard the spoils, or else delete any possible risk - all part of the 'know your enemy' thing. Arrogance kills.

 

[BadTrip]

 

[verndewd]

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n285/BadTrip6669/tin-foil-hat.jpg

:lol:
no more like the 100th monkey effect x 7billion
The top is corrupt and the slime oozes downhill over everything and everyone.

Dont need a conspiracy to affect society you just need some crappy leaders to corrupt the entire thing by setting a bad example.

 

[Upendra09]

I'd like to support the moderator's comments here.

Time to keep things a bit more civil.

If you want to assert something, then back it up with a link ... or face the risk of being considered a complete buffoon like me.

There is no need to make petty personal attacks.

Unless you want to gang up on that mousemonkey guy ...

Who is with me??

lol ...

Back it up with a link 😗

You are 100% correct about Mousemonkey. He's the worst mod this forum has ever had.

Three times he has banned me now. The latest time for 2 weeks for responding to his bullshit accusations in this thread. The real reason he bans me is because he knows I hate Nvidia and he's basically just a sad Nvidiot.

But ye basically, he makes up completely false accusations of me being you (lol?) then bans me for 2 weeks after I call him out on his garbage. Not only that, but the post I made was removed by another mod (jd or random I dunno which one) so that means MM actually looked for my post next day after it was deleted, then banned me for it.

Complete tosser? I'll let you all decide.

The way your talking i can tell it was a 100% your fault

Yeah right. You were so terribly shocked that I made a silly gay comment to elmo, yet in the exact same thread you ignored a lesbian comment aimed at me.

Don't even bother badtrip, you're a total fraud.

oh, oh, oh say something about me please!!!!

I fail to see how it makes me look bad when a moderator is clearly victimising me.

All of this is verifiable information. I'm waiting on MM doing the right thing which is apologising and un-banning me, otherwise I will escalate it and prove what I am saying.

ha what a baby, consipiracy theories what a joke

 

[Guest]

Go for it.

I never had any intention of proving it on the forum. That would mean I would have had to betray people who gave me information on good faith.

People like you will always lose MM, and you will never understand why.

 

[Guest]

I think de escalation would be a sign of maturity. Jenny youre a smart girl even elmo thinks youre a formidable person to argue with, right or wrong. One great rule of thumb in forums is that when it gets nasty you should just tune it all out. especially here where the world is waiting to argue to the point of madness.

During that last spat I got banned as well for ripping magicless to shreds, but I pointed out my crossing the line to randomizer, whos been a friend for several years now.
dam cat banned me and licked the blood off the banhammer in my face 😀 IN MY FORUMS 😀

Elmo and the gang were trying to set you up to get banned by using your propensity for foul mouthed rebuttal They even cheered up on that after you got banned at their sleazeball site xcpus.

Yep I know what was going on, pretty sure I pointed out what was going on many times 😛

It was premeditated malicious and immature but you should know that is what happened. Rando was privy to the idea before hand but failed to make a link until I was informed of it, which is why you werent banned for a week, rando knew they used him after I put the pieces together.

Of course I know how it happened. The amazing thing is how long I lasted without going nuts on somebody.

Point is you dont need to escalate anything and this forums most prolific arguers need to be on guard of assassination runs by xcpus.

I wasn't really escalating anything, just holding my own. Tbh it was all going fine until Badtrip reported me for my silly post claiming that Elmo likes pix of nude guys.

That wasn't even remotely serious, yet it got me a 5 day ban. In that 5 days ban I had to read Mousemonkey giving *** to Sigh for no reason other than he thought it was me, not to mention dragging up my name after I'd said I wouldn't be back.

 

[Guest]

Paranoia much?

No. Maybe you should open your mind and close your mouth until then.

 

[Mousemonkey]

I wasn't really escalating anything, just holding my own. Tbh it was all going fine until Badtrip reported me for my silly post claiming that Elmo likes pix of nude guys.

That wasn't even remotely serious, yet it got me a 5 day ban. In that 5 days ban I had to read Mousemonkey giving *** to Sigh for no reason other than he thought it was me, not to mention dragging up my name after I'd said I wouldn't be back.

When did I do that then? any chance you can pull up that post(s)?

 

[verndewd]

Yep I know what was going on, pretty sure I pointed out what was going on many times 😛

It was premeditated malicious and immature but you should know that is what happened. Rando was privy to the idea before hand but failed to make a link until I was informed of it, which is why you werent banned for a week, rando knew they used him after I put the pieces together.

Of course I know how it happened. The amazing thing is how long I lasted without going nuts on somebody.

Point is you dont need to escalate anything and this forums most prolific arguers need to be on guard of assassination runs by xcpus.

I wasn't really escalating anything, just holding my own. Tbh it was all going fine until Badtrip reported me for my silly post claiming that Elmo likes pix of nude guys.

That wasn't even remotely serious, yet it got me a 5 day ban. In that 5 days ban I had to read Mousemonkey giving *** to Sigh for no reason other than he thought it was me, not to mention dragging up my name after I'd said I wouldn't be back.

we have had our falling out a few times but that kind of bs is below me and id back you up right or wrong against such attacks.

 

[verndewd]

When did I do that then? any chance you can pull up that post(s)?

I personally think jenny is putting you in the blame pile blindly, she was the victim f an organized attack but I dont see you in that frey. If you did conspire with those guys over there "IF" ; youd need to loose your job for conflict of interest.

Maybe Im an idiot but I didnt see you taking part in that

 

[Guest]

Why all the AMD hate, guys?

I don't believe it's "AMD Hate" or "Intel Hate", per se....



/Begin_Rant

In my humble opinion, and at the risk of pissing people off (who am I kidding: Some of you are already far beyond that...): There are a number of individuals who have spent enough effort arguing with each other over matters which (at one time or another) might have been based in some (real, perceived, or made up) "Truth"... that any technological basis is now far, far FAR beyond the point.

What we have left is nothing more than an ongoing p*ssing contest over who's E-Penis is bigger than the others'. (And yes, Jenny: You're no exception, and I don't care whether you happen to use the facilities while sitting down instead of standing up.) The goal here has transformed from making a technological point and/or discussion into "Proving This Stupid @$$hole Wrong; Once And For All". The technology - (often twisted beyond all recognition) - is merely the vehicle whereby respective taunts are being exchanged.

IMHO, the Moderators here have been *very* lenient as to what is allowed and what is not. To put it bluntly: If I were in their position, I wouldn't tolerate even half the crap they let you guys get away with.


/End_Rant

I agree with some of that, but it goes a lot deeper.

In this instance it doesn't really matter. We have a situation here that fair minded people would question.

Why don't we ask Random, Jaydee, TGGA, Mousemonkey about how many people they have banned? Then, lets ask them how many *different* people they have banned.

You'll soon see that MM is a seriously messed up character who has been victimising me for a long time. The rest of them don't multiple ban the same person over a period of a few weeks/months.

Your own complete inability to accept that we have a rogue mod just proves your lack of insight in general humanity. Yes we have lenient mods, unfortunately (for me) MM is banning me for any little excuse - and he's not doing it because of anything I've been saying on the cpu forum, it's because of my anti-nvidia stance.

 

[Guest]

I personally think jenny is putting you in the blame pile blindly, she was the victim f an organized attack but I dont see you in that frey. If you did conspire with those guys over there "IF" ; youd need to loose your job for conflict of interest.

Maybe Im an idiot but I didnt see you taking part in that

Nah MM had no involvement with the elmo crowd.

MM's involvement is he is reading all of my posts, even ones that have been deleted, and handing out bans when I've overstepped the mark.

I know I overstep the mark a lot, I'm a fiery character. Thing is, the other mods delete those posts, and they do the same for everybody else.

MM doesn't, he just bans me. He's done it 3x now, last time he banned me for 2 weeks over a post that Random had already deleted. It all started over a heated ati vs nvidia debate, then he started to follow my posts on the cpu forum too. Before then MM was never seen outside of the gpu forum and thats a fact.

From that gpu forum argument he has been hell-bent on banning me for any reason.

 

[verndewd]

jen chill plz dealing with thousands of members isnt easy and your brash attitude makes moderation a nightmare smetimes

put yourself in their shoes, " oh man heres the jenny issue again, or the verndewd maniacle ranting"
just take a breath jen

 

[verndewd]

Nah MM had no involvement with the elmo crowd.

MM's involvement is he is reading all of my posts, even ones that have been deleted, and handing out bans when I've overstepped the mark.

I know I overstep the mark a lot, I'm a fiery character. Thing is, the other mods delete those posts, and they do the same for everybody else.

MM doesn't, he just bans me. He's done it 3x now, last time he banned me for 2 weeks over a post that Random had already deleted. It all started over a heated ati vs nvidia debate, then he started to follow my posts on the cpu forum too. Before then MM was never seen out of the gpu forum and thats a fact.

maybe you can turn it around and try working with the unpaid mod crew

youre more an asset than a detriment even as bullheaded as you are try being flexible

 

[Guest]

maybe you can turn it around and try working with the unpaid mod crew

youre more an asset than a detriment even as bullheaded as you are try being flexible

I have given MM a lot of chances but you have to understand that if somebody hates your guts like he hates mine, there really is not much hope of a friendly reconcilliation.

I must piss off Random 10+ times a day with my anti-intel rants, but he *never* abuses his power. Jaydee *never* abuses his power either. TGGA bans people who act like morons, but there is no bias.

I don't know this for sure, but I would say there is a 90% chance that I am the only person MM has ever banned. I'm definitely the only person who he has banned multiple times. It's a vendetta plain and simple.

 

[Mousemonkey]

I personally think jenny is putting you in the blame pile blindly, she was the victim f an organized attack but I dont see you in that frey. If you did conspire with those guys over there "IF" ; youd need to loose your job for conflict of interest.

Maybe Im an idiot but I didnt see you taking part in that

I was not aware of the goings on over at that site as I don't frequent it that much.

Nah MM had no involvement with the elmo crowd.

MM's involvement is he is reading all of my posts, even ones that have been deleted, and handing out bans when I've overstepped the mark.

I know I overstep the mark a lot, I'm a fiery character. Thing is, the other mods delete those posts, and they do the same for everybody else.

MM doesn't, he just bans me. He's done it 3x now, last time he banned me for 2 weeks over a post that Random had already deleted. It all started over a heated ati vs nvidia debate, then he started to follow my posts on the cpu forum too. Before then MM was never seen outside of the gpu forum and thats a fact.

From that gpu forum argument he has been hell-bent on banning me for any reason.

I banned you for a post I deleted, PM me and I'll provide details as you seem to have lost track of your own posts.

 

[verndewd]

I have given MM a lot of chances but you have to understand that if somebody hates your guts like he hates mine, there really is not much hope of a friendly reconcilliation.

I must piss off Random 10+ times a day with my anti-intel rants, but he *never* abuses his power. Jaydee *never* abuses his power either. TGGA bans people who act like morons, but there is no bias.

I don't know this for sure, but I would say there is a 90% chance that I am the only person MM has ever banned. I'm definitely the only person who he has banned multiple times. It's a vendetta plain and simple.

rando is an incredible person imo , not everyone can deal on his level and stay cool, hes unique. Its been a blessing to have him as a web friend for 3 years or whatever.
On mm's side at least hes not the arrogant azzhole I can be, I do fail at that sometimes but I do ok for consistency.