Question why do people like amd?

[QQ7007]

hello iam new to PC gaming well actually gaming in general and I wanted to play counter strike go but its really laggy and stutters on my pc which has AMD sticker on it? and my cousin has Intel inside core in his PC and he can run counter strike go without lag? please help thanks

 

[QQ7007]

With that budget, I'd probably look at something like:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3400G 3.7 GHz Quad-Core Processor (£137.49 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£64.99 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£94.99 @ Corsair UK)
Storage: Crucial MX500 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£60.85 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £358.32
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-27 14:01 BST+0100

With some extra cash for someone to put it all together and install Windows for you.

-Wolf sends

thanks

 

[-Fran-]

thanks I might ask my cousin to build it as he built his PC and he seems to be confident with it

Then, even before you commit to buying everything, ask for his assessment on my assumptions and if the Case can be re-used.

Also, try to keep any bias to Intel off the table for this one. Currently AMD offers better value hands down in this price range, so try to fend off ideas for building Intel.

When you have a bit more money, you can add an SSD, an aftermarket Heat Sink Fan (HSF) for the CPU and maybe get a new GPU. Although, I don't think the 5970 has support for Win10... Maybe the Ry3400G is a better alternative as @Wolfshadw suggested.

Cheers!

 

[swissc]

@Wolf: Would you be reusing the case and PSU from the current PC with your spec?

 

[BFG-9000]

You can keep the GPU for the time being

While that is a monster of a GPU for Source-engined CS:Go which even supports Crossfire, I think its 294w TDP would necessitate quite a bit more than a 600w PSU. So unless OP is willing to risk reusing the old PSU, any money spent on a larger PSU is probably better applied toward a low-end modern GPU (or that IGP) instead that can also play modern shader-heavy DX12 games.

Imagine it's 2010: OP walks into shop and the salesman, sensing an easy mark, sells them an obsolete 125w CPU with a big honking 294w GPU it can never properly run! In 2010 the new hotness was the 1st gen Core i5/i7 and OP gets an X2. The moral of the story is always ask on Tom's first...

 

[QQ7007]

@Wolf: Would you be reusing the case and PSU from the current PC with your spec?

i took pictures of my PC and sent them to my cousin. he said I could re use the case but I would have to buy a new power brick thing

 

[QQ7007]

Then, even before you commit to buying everything, ask for his assessment on my assumptions and if the Case can be re-used.

Also, try to keep any bias to Intel off the table for this one. Currently AMD offers better value hands down in this price range, so try to fend off ideas for building Intel.

When you have a bit more money, you can add an SSD, an aftermarket Heat Sink Fan (HSF) for the CPU and maybe get a new GPU. Although, I don't think the 5970 has support for Win10... Maybe the Ry3400G is a better alternative as @Wolfshadw suggested.

Cheers!

im not sure what you mean buy ''I don't think the 5970 has support for Win10...'' iam running windows 10 on my PC and everything eems to work fine except in games

 

[Wolfshadw]

@Wolf: Would you be reusing the case and PSU from the current PC with your spec?

If at all possible, yes. I would reuse the case and power supply. If there were room in the budget to replace then, however...

-Wolf sends

 

[Wolfshadw]

i took pictures of my PC and sent them to my cousin. he said I could re use the case but I would have to buy a new power brick thing

Can you post those pictures here? Actually, you'd post them to an image hosting site like tinypic or imgur and post the links here.

-Wolf sends

 

[NightHawkRMX]

thanks I might ask my cousin to build it as he built his PC and he seems to be confident with it

Seems like a good idea. Maybe watch and learn from him.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor | £106.24 @ Amazon UK
Motherboard | ASRock B450M-HDV Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard | £52.74 @ Amazon UK
Memory | G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory | £65.94 @ Amazon UK
Storage | Kingston A400 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive | £29.95 @ Amazon UK
Video Card | MSI Radeon RX 570 8 GB ARMOR OC Video Card | £142.99 @ Amazon UK
Case | GameMax Explorer MicroATX Mini Tower Case | £23.82 @ Amazon UK
Power Supply | Corsair TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply | £64.97 @ Amazon UK
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total | £486.65
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-27 21:02 BST+0100 |

I would completely build a new PC from scratch. You have the budget to do it.

You can replace the case. I would definitely replace the PSU. Any modern GPU on even a really high end PSU from around 2010 is a not the best idea.

 

[failboat]

Seems like a good idea. Maybe watch and learn from him.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor | £106.24 @ Amazon UK
Motherboard | ASRock B450M-HDV Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard | £52.74 @ Amazon UK
Memory | G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory | £65.94 @ Amazon UK
Storage | Kingston A400 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive | £29.95 @ Amazon UK
Video Card | MSI Radeon RX 570 8 GB ARMOR OC Video Card | £142.99 @ Amazon UK
Case | GameMax Explorer MicroATX Mini Tower Case | £23.82 @ Amazon UK
Power Supply | Corsair TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply | £64.97 @ Amazon UK
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total | £486.65
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-27 21:02 BST+0100 |

I would completely build a new PC from scratch. You have the budget to do it.

You can replace the case. I would definitely replace the PSU. Any modern GPU on even a really high end PSU from around 2010 is a bad idea.

I second a setup with RX 570. will be day and night difference over an APU build.

 

[mihen]

I think you got a decent price on your PC in 2010. That was when bitcoin mining flooded the gpu market. The HD5970 was $600.

If it's just CS:go than an igp should be enough. The issue would be if he wants to play anything newer.

 

[jsmithepa]

Really, we are talking about a 10 years old machine. Fake Intel vs AMD bait.

 

[cryoburner]

Even by 2010, that PC was old by any reasonable metric.

I disagree. An HD 5970 would have been rather high-end in 2010, and an X2-6400, while a couple years old, would have still been quite decent for gaming at the time, since games were still only utilizing a couple threads.

In fact, even now I would suspect that an HD 5970 would be able to run a less-demanding older title like CS:GO "alright" at lower resolutions, so long as one didn't demand high frame rates. An X2 6400+ might even be useable for that game, but I could see that being more of a limiting factor. Something like a Ryzen processor with an RX 570 would undoubtedly run it a lot smoother though.

 

[QQ7007]

I think you got a decent price on your PC in 2010. That was when bitcoin mining flooded the gpu market. The HD5970 was $600.

If it's just CS:go than an igp should be enough. The issue would be if he wants to play anything newer.

the games I might play are Minecraft, counter strike, half life 2 and garrys mod. Will I need a good graphics adapter for those games and im not sure what a 'igpu' is thanks

 

[QQ7007]

Really, we are talking about a 10 years old machine. Fake Intel vs AMD bait.

no no no im not baiting you I just thought all amd chips were like mine. I literally know nothing about pcs

 

[QQ7007]

Can you post those pictures here? Actually, you'd post them to an image hosting site like tinypic or imgur and post the links here.

-Wolf sends

hey so I asked my cousin and he sent a list of all the components in my pc system

Athlon 64 X2 6400+ 3.2GHz
4GB DDR2 RAM
ASUS M3N-HT Deluxe Motherboard Socket AM2+ NVIDIA nForce 780a SLI
Corsair HX620w Power Supply
Maxtor 320GB 5200 RPM IDE Hard Drive
ATI Radeon HD 5970 1GB AMD Reference Cooler
CoolerMaster HAF 932 Case
2x Generic 80mm Red LED Fan
CoolerMaster V8 CPU Cooler

 

[QQ7007]

Seems like a good idea. Maybe watch and learn from him.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor | £106.24 @ Amazon UK
Motherboard | ASRock B450M-HDV Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard | £52.74 @ Amazon UK
Memory | G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory | £65.94 @ Amazon UK
Storage | Kingston A400 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive | £29.95 @ Amazon UK
Video Card | MSI Radeon RX 570 8 GB ARMOR OC Video Card | £142.99 @ Amazon UK
Case | GameMax Explorer MicroATX Mini Tower Case | £23.82 @ Amazon UK
Power Supply | Corsair TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply | £64.97 @ Amazon UK
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total | £486.65
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-27 21:02 BST+0100 |

I would completely build a new PC from scratch. You have the budget to do it.

You can replace the case. I would definitely replace the PSU. Any modern GPU on even a really high end PSU from around 2010 is a not the best idea.

thank you for taking the time to part out a list for me

 

[NightHawkRMX]

Wow, someone threw a Corsair HX PSU in that. That would have been nice back in the day, although that PSU is rather dated, so I would still consider upgrading it.

The Cooler Master HAF case is a full tower case, meaning any new Micro ATX, ATX, or even full ATX motherboard will fit.

An IDE HDD cannot be reused in a modern system without purchasing extra cards, unfortunately.

 

[Gfost73]

no no no im not baiting you I just thought all amd chips were like mine. I literally know nothing about pcs

AMD has come along way , mine is older as well I have a FX-6300, but I can play plenty of games no problem , even semi newer ones like GTA5.. (which isn't so new but still hard on a system) .. but all and all I love my AMD setup, it was cheap to build and does everything I need and more.. Mind you I am not a hardcore gamer etc.. so Im sure to someone like that my machine is garbage lol.. but for me I love it and that's all that matters

 

[NightHawkRMX]

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor | £119.00 @ Amazon UK
Motherboard | ASRock B450M-HDV Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard | £52.74 @ Amazon UK
Memory | G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory | £65.94 @ Amazon UK
Storage | Kingston A400 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive | £29.95 @ Amazon UK
Video Card | XFX Radeon RX 580 8 GB GTS XXX ED Video Card | £169.00 @ Amazon UK
Case | Cooler Master HAF XM (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case | Purchased For £0.00
Power Supply | Corsair TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply | £64.97 @ Amazon UK
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total | £501.60
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-28 00:30 BST+0100 |
You can reuse the old case and save some money.

Edit: Changed CPU from 1600 to a newer and faster R5 2600. Changed GPU from an RX570 8gb to a 580 8gb.
I rock a Ryzen 3 and am mostly happy with it. I have been considering an upgrade, but really my 1200 handles most everything alright.

 

[mdd1963]

Most computers bought in 2010 are worth about $65 now, and, alas, yours is no different.

 

[Karadjgne]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor (£115.34 @ CCL Computers)
Motherboard: ASRock B450 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard (£79.85 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: Team 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£88.69 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Storage: Crucial MX500 250 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£39.95 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£37.98 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 570 4 GB NITRO+ Video Card (£128.46 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: Corsair TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply (£64.97 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £555.24
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-27 23:33 BST+0100

Should land CSGO in somewhere around the 250-300fps possible range, will make mincemeat out of any mod minecraft can dish out, you'll just need your cousin to set up the storage so that you keep bulk files and extra stuff on the slow hdd drive and OS and important stuff on the fast ssd. Learning how to use your pc hardware is somewhat important, keeping it clean and free of trash will keep it running smooth for another 10 years.

 

[-Fran-]

im not sure what you mean buy ''I don't think the 5970 has support for Win10...'' iam running windows 10 on my PC and everything eems to work fine except in games

The HD5K series have been in Legacy Mode support for a very long time now, so the driver you're using in Win10 is compatibility, probably.

Cheers!

 

[cryoburner]

...you'll just need your cousin to set up the storage so that you keep bulk files and extra stuff on the slow hdd drive and OS and important stuff on the fast ssd.

Or, if you don't think you'll need that much bulk storage, just get a 480GB to 1TB SSD and don't mess with the hard drive at all.

Personally, I'm not too fond of the 250GB SSD + 1TB hard drive setup in builds anymore, since these lower capacities of both hard drives and SSDs are not priced as well per GB as their higher capacity counterparts. If one needs lots of bulk storage, a 2TB hard drive can be had for not that much more than a 1TB model, and the same goes for a 500GB SSD compared to a 250GB one. For example, the 500GB version of that Crucial MX500 can be had for just a little over £60.

Or for about £100 (only about £20 more than that 250GB SSD + 1TB hard drive) one can get a decent 1TB SSD and not bother with shuffling things back and forth between a slower hard drive and faster SSD. Especially for someone who doesn't know a lot about PCs, having a single SSD in the system would probably be more convenient to work with, in addition to performing better, since there should be plenty of room for everything on the faster drive.

 

[Karadjgne]

I guess it's just a matter of which angle you look at things. For me, it's easy and cheap just to add another drive if I run short on space. Having grown up with pc's before they even had a hdd (tape cassette drive anyone?) it's a trust issue. My hdds were small, and generally lasted about 5 years, but took only 2 years to gather enough junk to fill one. So they seemed to be on constant rotation. Copy old drive to new drive, toss old drive.

Throwing all my eggs into a single basket with a single ssd, without benefit of any sort of backup plan, well that's like going back 20 years to having one large hdd run everything and praying nothing happened.

Right now my entire 128Gb ssd is backed up on my 1Tb WD Black hdd.