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its all good brother!

what other place?

and i love the smell of amphetamines in the morning
but no i`m no speed freak, i`m on vacation so i have a lot of spare time

hear me now, believe me later, trust me in between
i`m a cop you idiot
i`ll be back
 
Vacation rules!! 😎

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it sure does and i get 9 weeks a year
--yeah baby
i don`t usually get to use them all though
so i get paid for some of them

your all just a bunch of slaves
how long you gonna let them push you around
 
I DON`T THNK SO
You don't think so, or you don't <i>think</i>? Seriously: listen, research, learn. Even Einstein was wrong ... every once in a while.

And all caps? Geeze. I think someone's getting cranky.

SO WOULDN`T MORE CPUS DO IT QUICKER
Let's see. You have a general processor surrounded by a plethora of highly-specialized task-specific sub-processors built into pretty much every hardware device. These sub-processors handle so much that all the general processor has to worry about is the actual code. You've also got mostly single-threaded apps that will only utilize one general processor. So how, pray tell, will more processors accomplish anything? All that you'll have are more processors running idle.

NOT ALL BUT MOST, SINCE CPU`S ARE QUICKER THEY HAVE LESS REASON TO BE FRUGAL. THATS TO SAY I DON`T SEE A MARKED DIFFERENCE IN WINDOWS XP BUT IT SURE DOES TAKE MORE RESOURCES. THE SAME WITH A GAME LIKE HALF-LIFE, IT TAKES 10 TIMES MORE COMPUTING POWER BUT I CERTAINLY DON`T THINK THE GRAPHICS ARE 10 TIMES BETTER
So things like an NTFS file system, extremely better memory management, ten tonnes more networking protocols, a better virtual memory system, the ability to run low-resource background services, much more in the way of user management and personalization, a better registry system, transition effects, better hardware management, better driver management, larger icons with more color depth, transparent labels, system backup, etc. ad infinitum just don't exist to you. To you Windows XP is no better than Windows 95.

Just like HL2 has a much more realistic physics engine, larger maps, better AI, a much more interactive environment, smoother play, better sound, and even DX9 utilization, but all that you judge it by is how much better it looks on <i>your</i> system.

So then what you're saying then is that your problem is that you suffer from an extremely narrow vision. You never take the time to look under the hood. If it isn't blatantly obvious, then you just don't see it, and therefore you just assume that it just doesn't exist. And if it doesn't exist then everything must just be wasteful.

In case you weren't aware of this: your perception hardly constitutes the universe's reality.

FIRST OF ALL I KNOW THAT JERK-OFF,
If you know it then why do you keep expressing an extreme lack of understanding?

AND SECOND THE APPLICATIONS WILL HAVE TO BE THERE AT SOME POINT.
Hardly. Until there's an actually beneficial point to multi-threading on a single-CPU machine (which there isn't), and so long as the vast majority of boxes have only one CPU, there won't be applications for it.

IF ONE BUILT A PC WITH WHAT I CALL "CAIC" CUMULATIVE ARRAY OF INEXPENSIVE CPU`S THE SOFTWARE WILL BE THERE AT SOME POINT.
Good luck with that. Go for it. I need a good laugh.

INTELL AND AMD ARE BOTH MAKING DUAL AND QUAD CORE CPUS SO A PC WITH 2 OR FOUR REGULAR CORE CPUS WOULD IN FACT OPERATE THE SAME WAY AND BE CHEAPER AND FASTER. THE DUAL CORE PENTIUMS ARE GOING TO BE NOT ONLY CLOCKED DOWN ANYWAY BUI ALSO MORE EXPENSIVE. OLD TECH WILL BE MUCH CHEAPER AND FASTER. HOW MUCH WILL 2 PENTIUM 2.4 GHZ COST, CERTAINLY LESS THAN A DUAL CORE PENTIUM CLOCKED THE SAME
Dual cores won't be out for months. Quad cores won't be out for years. It's still highly debatable if they'll even be worth it for anyone not running a workstation/server with multi-threaded software, just as the multi-CPU boxes of today are. Dualie mobos are generally expensive, and even more so for quads or eight ways. So good luck with supposedly saving money for crap multi-threaded performance and crap single-threaded performance. You go with that.

YOU ARE STILL A LOSER AND I`M SURE YOUR WIFE HATES YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE INSECURE WITH YOUR SELF FOR HAVING TO PICK ON PEOPLE YOU PERCEIVE AS BEING LESS THAN YOURSELF
Gee, one of us has gone loony enough to go all caps and make direct personal insults. The other has the wherewithall and peace to remain sensible. Which one has insecurity issues I wonder... And as for my marriage, I would dare say that you know as much about it as you do about computers.

NO U NEED TO READ THERE ARE SEVERAL PEOPLE YOU QUESTION IT
AND FOR THE REASONS I POINT OUT ABOVE ;
DUAL CORE IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!
By chance, have you even <i>heard</i> of grammar?

UNDER MY SHOE WOULD BE BETTER
You would aim low. Have you no inspiration?

SO HE STILL THOUGHT IT WAS POSSIBLE SOMETHING YOU SAID NO ONE ELSE DID
Oh, you're right. That's so much better. <i>One</i> person kind of loosely agreed with you in a very round-about manner and they in fact turned out to be wrong. That <i>sooo</i> makes your case.

I HAVE 3 DEGREES MY CAPABILITY FAR EXCEEDS YOURS I AM SURE
<i>Saying</i> that you're better is not <i>showing</i> that you're better. Or haven't you heard of lying? While we're on the subject, I don't even have a degree. If I'm this much better than you without one and you have <i>three</i>, well gee, that says a lot for you, doesn't it?

SO STOP SCREWING WITH ME THEN
I DID NOT BOTHER YOU
I HAVE ONLY THROWN OUT A QUESTION
AND WANTED TO DISCUSS IT
I DON`T NEED SOME ASS CLOWN (CORRECTED)
BOTHERING ME
So I suppose that I'm making you read t his at gunpoint then? You simple have no choice. If you don't respond you'll just die. Yeah. I believe that.

Just as much as I believe that you actually intend to <i>discuss</i> anything. I've already covered <i>that</i> quite thoroughly.

And frankly, your mere existence bothers me at present. It's sad to think that anyone out there could drag down the mean intellgence as far as you do. I have a (literally) mentally retarded cousin ten years older than me who can write more clearly than you can. What's your excuse?

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You realize that he's gone past discussing anything now... he's just simply looking to piss you off... and you're taking the bait.

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As for consoles being "superior", keep in mind consoles pretty much ONLY run games; they do not offer nearly as much flexibility as our PC's do, and of course the downside of such flexibility is some loss of performance. Thats why, arguable, XBOX games at first where better than PC games in terms of 3D quality, even though PC hardware was basically identical.

You forgot to mention that consoles also don't have to run their games at 1600 x 1200 with a 85Hz refresh rate.

On the surface, consoles may seem like they can outperform a PC... but as P4 said... when you take into consideration how much more a PC is doing while playing a game. All a console does is play the game... nothing else going on in the background. If a console had to do half the work a PC does, it would choke big time.

<font color=red> If you design software that is fool-proof, only a fool will want to use it. </font color=red>
 
Plus, the game needs optimizing only for *one* Graphics API, one videocard, one CPU..

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You're arnold. It's you.

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LMAO!!!!! Arnold yo may fit in here after all. Your going to have to catch up on your forum lingo/slang :tongue:

But can he pass the true test? We shall see.


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SLI is a big joke/marketing gimmick right now, only an <A HREF="http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_sli_certifiedapps.html" target="_new">Handfull</A> of games support it and the gains SLI brings are well under the 25% mark on most titles due to a plethora of technical limitations.

Parallelism is an incredibely simple concept in theory but is extremely hard to effectively apply to any real world environment, otherwise, the mesopotamians and sumerians would have went through the industrial revolution in 3200BC ...

Same goes for dual core and SMP CPUs, two 2GHz CPU will be splattered all over the floor by a single 2.2GHz CPU running a singlethreaded application/benchmark. Multithreaded programs require hand-made optimisation and are a lot harder to debug, that translates in a longer developpement time for meager results.

PR wise, it is a good idea to optimise a common benchmarking tool or games to magnify the impact of that big hairy e-p3n1s, unless all programmers are willing to jump into the bandwagon and make their daily job a lot longer and harder, let alone explaining to their technically challenged bosses why developpement is taking them twice as long as before.





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For certain people it has its uses though. A SLI capable game on a 24" monitor could use the horsepower.

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i must first start by saying that i received the private e-mail that you sent me. i feel bad that you have such a hard life. Being molested by your father now thats rough. and later on in life ending up in jail and again being molested. Your wife must be taking hard too, especially since that pussy is not tight enough for you now. I guess thats why she became a prostitute.

You don't think so, or you don't think? Seriously: listen, research, learn. Even Einstein was wrong ... every once in a while

i did say i was wrong with aspects of my idea and thats why you started jumping down my throat, jackass.

And all caps? Geeze. I think someone's getting cranky.
geeze? what are you 60

You've also got mostly single-threaded apps that will only utilize one general processor. So how, pray tell, will more processors accomplish anything? All that you'll have are more processors running idle.
again you do not pay attention. i changed my point of view.


So things like an NTFS file system, extremely better memory management, ten tonnes more networking protocols, a better virtual memory system, the ability to run low-resource background services, much more in the way of user management and personalization, a better registry system, transition effects, better hardware management, better driver management, larger icons with more color depth, transparent labels, system backup, etc. ad infinitum just don't exist to you. To you Windows XP is no better than Windows 95.
what do u work for microsoft? xp is better but its still a piece of crap. 2 sp`s 50 downloads, how much more before we have a finished product?


Just like HL2 has a much more realistic physics engine, larger maps, better AI, a much more interactive environment, smoother play, better sound, and even DX9 utilization, but all that you judge it by is how much better it looks on your system.
well thats certainly part of what you do when you judge a game. The fact that i left every factor out is an oversite, but then why are you such a picky f*ck? i`ll i have to say is that HL played perfectly on a 266mhz pentium with an 8mb voodoo video card and this new HL will hardly run with 10 times that.

So then what you're saying then is that your problem is that you suffer from an extremely narrow vision. You never take the time to look under the hood. If it isn't blatantly obvious, then you just don't see it, and therefore you just assume that it just doesn't exist. And if it doesn't exist then everything must just be wasteful.
no i think you have bad vision, actually hows your wifes vision i came in her eye yesteerday?

In case you weren't aware of this: your perception hardly constitutes the universe's reality.
no? oh my god how perceptive of you. i`m glad you told me that. i`ll go tell the voices in my head to stop saying "kill, kill, kill"

If you know it then why do you keep expressing an extreme lack of understanding?
i don`t understand idiots. especially when they bang their heads against the wall, saying multi core cpu`s don`t exist
there will never be software for them. baka!

Dual cores won't be out for months. Quad cores won't be out for years. It's still highly debatable if they'll even be worth it for anyone not running a workstation/server with multi-threaded software, just as the multi-CPU boxes of today are. Dualie mobos are generally expensive, and even more so for quads or eight ways. So good luck with supposedly saving money for crap multi-threaded performance and crap single-threaded performance. You go with that.
try reading the articles on toms jackass
intel is going almost exclusively multi-core in the future


Gee, one of us has gone loony enough to go all caps and make direct personal insults. The other has the wherewithall and peace to remain sensible. Which one has insecurity issues I wonder... And as for my marriage, I would dare say that you know as much about it as you do about computers.
real sensible! about all you have done was lob insults at me.
so i`ve replied

By chance, have you even heard of grammar?
what r u an english teacher?
oh im` sorry i forgot your english teacher rufus molested you too. no wonder your fascination.


You would aim low. Have you no inspiration?
actually if you wanna give me the address to the project you reside at we can talk about it.


Saying that you're better is not showing that you're better. Or haven't you heard of lying? While we're on the subject, I don't even have a degree. If I'm this much better than you without one and you have three, well gee, that says a lot for you, doesn't it?
first, blah.. blah ... blah.. second, blow me and finally
maybe you should get a degree maybe then you could get out of mcdonalds and get a real job and then maybe you can get out of your mothers basment and your wife can stop hooking.
actually let you wife continue hooking, i love her great big tities! and by the way i was wondering i screwed her the other night, so how did my dick taste?

So I suppose that I'm making you read t his at gunpoint then? You simple have no choice. If you don't respond you'll just die. Yeah. I believe that.
well if thats the case y do u keep coming back, baka!

Just as much as I believe that you actually intend to discuss anything. I've already covered that quite thoroughly.
well a discussion is when you have a give and take of ideas
and not just say no its not possible. especially since IT IS being done with multi-core cpu`s, jack ass

And frankly, your mere existence bothers me at present.
oh i`m sorry sorry i`ll be sure to remember that that next time i put you down, jackass

It's sad to think that anyone out there could drag down the mean intellgence as far as you do. I have a (literally) mentally retarded cousin ten years older than me who can write more clearly than you can. What's your excuse?
again the fact you liked ass play with your english teacher rufus has nothing to do with me. i`m not going to play your stupid " i can type better than you" game - jackass






your all just a bunch of slaves
how long you gonna let them push you around
 
Booo- YAH! Looks like we got a flame war!

Arnold I think you're taking this all way too seriously, but if you must continue can you please start a thread in the <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com//modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewforum&f=4" target="_new">other</A> section, so as not to unduly traumatize innocent visitors?

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Wow, I really think Arnie has stepped up his game, look at the improvement here from some of his previous posts :smile:

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hey thanks dewd
i`m getting really sick of playing this stupid game
with ass captain pheonix though

your all just a bunch of slaves
how long you gonna let them push you around
 
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