Why the need for all these cards

[squidmam12]

So, I just saw the reveal video the Nvidia Titan Z. I really question why they make these cards in the first place. Anything reasonable can be achieved with a normal higher end GPU in almost every aspect. Gaming, editing, etc... Like a card like that, nothing would even remotely get close to its true potential of power for the next 20 years or so... WHY do they make such damn high end cards??!!!

 

[CoolVengeance]

After seeing the minor difference from 1080p to 1440p, and seeing the obscene performance required to run 4K, I've pretty much decided to stay at 1080p/30fps for a while. More than that is just not worthwhile on a mid-range card when the extra performance could go towards better physics and effects.

What kind of a card are you using that only gets around 30 fps at 1080p gaming

 

[squidmam12]

Ya I agree. I mean 4k and 5k are the future. But 1080p for is still really clear and really high quality. So that means since gpu companies are going to be more inclined to design to run on those ultra high resolutions, their new lower end cards will hopefully perform very good at 1080p. So yeah... I'm sticking with 1080p for the next couple of years.

 

[Rationale]

Ya I agree. I mean 4k and 5k are the future. But 1080p for is still really clear and really high quality. So that means since gpu companies are going to be more inclined to design to run on those ultra high resolutions, their new lower end cards will hopefully perform very good at 1080p. So yeah... I'm sticking with 1080p for the next couple of years.

That's exactly my hope. If the 8xx cards start to aim for 1440p and 4k, then an 860 should handle 1080p with plenty of extra performance.

 

[Rationale]

After seeing the minor difference from 1080p to 1440p, and seeing the obscene performance required to run 4K, I've pretty much decided to stay at 1080p/30fps for a while. More than that is just not worthwhile on a mid-range card when the extra performance could go towards better physics and effects.

What kind of a card are you using that only gets around 30 fps at 1080p gaming

A 2GB GTX 660 GC. I can hold 60 fps on ultra in many games (barring Crysis 3, BF4, etc), but 30 fps works out better for me. I decided I'd rather run vsync at 60hz, cap at 30 to kill the mouselag, and net the extra performance to ensure my framerate remains consistent in every game on ultra.

 

[squidmam12]

I gotta hd 7870 2gb. No overclock. It can handle mostly anything in ultra at 50+ fps. (with the exception of bf4) I'm not to particularly picky about turning down a few settings. I'm hoping to get another 2-3 years of solid performance with this card before an upgrade. Do you think that's a bit of a stretch?

 

[squidmam12]

Also I can't deal with 30 fps. Like I know consoles run games at 30 fps. But to me on pc. 30fps feels really slow. But if you can tolerate than hey you're lucky. GPU's will seem to last even longer for you.

 

[paitjsu sadff]

squid yes your gpu is good for a little while if you can deal with lower settings in game but my guess is that in a year or so when the ''real'' next gen games come out you will flirt with the 30-40 ish fps on medium-low settings you will want a new card...

 

[Rationale]

I gotta hd 7870 2gb. No overclock. It can handle mostly anything in ultra at 50+ fps. (with the exception of bf4) I'm not to particularly picky about turning down a few settings. I'm hoping to get another 2-3 years of solid performance with this card before an upgrade. Do you think that's a bit of a stretch?

Also I can't deal with 30 fps. Like I know consoles run games at 30 fps. But to me on pc. 30fps feels really slow. But if you can tolerate than hey you're lucky. GPU's will seem to last even longer for you.

A 7870 is comparable to my GTX 660 GC (at least according to benchmarks...). I suspect you'll need to start capping your framerate at 50 fps (I recommend that anyway to kill mouselag) when next gen games start hitting and selectively turn some settings down to high. Fundamentally though, a 2GB 7870 is very similar in real-world performance to a PS4. I don't expect the next generation to degrade your performance too much.

 

[paitjsu sadff]

rationale you seem to forget that the ps4 is running most games at 30fps with incredibly bad motion blur to cheat your eyes...you will see the wall coming much faster than you would think with a card like that and low to medium settings will become your new standard...or 30ish fps wichever you prefer...

 

[Rationale]

rationale you seem to forget that the ps4 is running most games at 30fps with incredibly bad motion blur to cheat your eyes...you will see the wall coming much faster than you would think with a card like that and low to medium settings will become your new standard...or 30ish fps wichever you prefer...

It's mixing 30-60 fps, and they've started using mostly object motion blur which is much better, not camera motion blur like the crap the PS3/360 are stuck with.

 

[paitjsu sadff]

id does play the ps3 games at 60fps for the most part...youre right...but when the real next gen games come they will run at 30fps with occasional drops to 24fps and more and more bluriness ...

 

[cst1992]

And I have no clue where you got to talking about streaming for, since even a $75 GPU can display a 4k picture, graphics cards, ESPECIALLY THE TITAN Z, are certainly not made for watching movies. That argument makes no sense here.

I'm not talking about GPU's. I'm talking about streaming on local networks/over the Internet.

 

[Mousemonkey]

You're all looking at this card from a gaming perspective. It is NOT meant for the gaming sector at all. There are plenty of tasks where something like this would be perfect for.

And I have no clue where you got to talking about streaming for, since even a $75 GPU can display a 4k picture, graphics cards, ESPECIALLY THE TITAN Z, are certainly not made for watching movies. That argument makes no sense here.

Jensen loves supercars and believes that just as there is are supercars for the richest people, there should be video cards for enthusiasts who want only the very best.

http://alienbabeltech.com/abt/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=32281&start=60

That's the best reason I've seen for why this card exists.

 

[Deuce65]

The reason it isn't for gaming is that unless you have a $12000 quad SLI setup, you don't have the GPU horsepower to push 12GB of VRAM anyway! Even 6GB video cards don't use all their RAM on 4K unless you have the AA up to 8X or 16X.

It's 3000 dollars. 3000 dollars times 2 is 6000 dollars for Quad sli, not 12000. And you aren't pushing 12GB of VRAM, you're pushing 6GB. I realize now where your confusion is coming from, you simply don't know wtf you're talking about.

There is so much wrong with this.
Quad=4
Dual=2
Quad-SLI=$12000

Also, they are using 12GB on a 12GB card, not 6GB. SLI VRAM mirroring doesn't cut VRAM in half, it simply stops it from increasing with additional cards.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about, so stop giving advise. It is a dual GPU card. One single card is ALREADY in sli. You have never owned a dual card have you? That 12GB of VRAM is 6 per GPU. They are SLIed already.
Let me say it again because you apparently don't get it. ONE SINGLE CARD IS ALREADY IN SLI. The 12GB of VRAM is only 6GB of usable VRAM because it gets duplicated, just like any SLI setup. 2 of these cards would be a QUAD SLI setup. Again, with 6GB of VRAM. This is how SLI works with dual GPU cards.

 

[Mousemonkey]

There is so much wrong with this.
Quad=4
Dual=2
Quad-SLI=$12000

Also, they are using 12GB on a 12GB card, not 6GB. SLI VRAM mirroring doesn't cut VRAM in half, it simply stops it from increasing with additional cards.

Actually it does on a dual GPU card, it's 6GB per GPU.

 

[cst1992]

I really don't think anyone would need to SLI two Titan Z's as they're now, they're pretty powerful cards already; 8000 GFlops is not a joke; it's 60% more powerful than a 780Ti.

 

[anthony8989]

FYI nVidia markets it as a ''gamer card'' because it falls under the GeForce brand and not Quadro. It is a semi-professional card that happened to be introduced through GeForce. Introducing the card under Quadro would taint the line of professional grade GPU's and lower the value of the line itself. And they don't have a brand for ''semi-professional'' cards ATM thus: GeForce Titan Z.

If you have no professional use for this card, then you're calling it a gamer card. If you do have professional use for this card, you're winking at nVidia saying " 😉 thanks for saving me $9,000".

 

[paitjsu sadff]

FYI nVidia markets it as a ''gamer card'' because it falls under the GeForce brand and not Quadro. It is a semi-professional card that happened to be introduced through GeForce. Introducing the card under Quadro would taint the line of professional grade GPU's and lower the value of the line itself. And they don't have a brand for ''semi-professional'' cards ATM thus: GeForce Titan Z.

It's meant strictly for gaming at high resolution...Quadro cards are needed for proffesional rendering and editing. the quadro K6000 is the top of the line based on the gk110 gpu, fully enabled and come with 12gb of high performance GDDR5 memory...
Cost : 4759$ +tax and shipping i have one K5000 on my workstation at work and it's pretty nice, but for games it's not any better, but that's not what it is designed for.

 

[cst1992]

FYI nVidia markets it as a ''gamer card'' because it falls under the GeForce brand and not Quadro. It is a semi-professional card that happened to be introduced through GeForce. Introducing the card under Quadro would taint the line of professional grade GPU's and lower the value of the line itself. And they don't have a brand for ''semi-professional'' cards ATM thus: GeForce Titan Z.

If you have no professional use for this card, then you're calling it a gamer card. If you do have professional use for this card, you're winking at nVidia saying " 😉 thanks for saving me $9,000".

If it were to be introduced as a Quadro(say a K7000 or something) it'd compete directly with the K6000, as it has the same amount of on-label RAM(albeit half per GPU), costs $500 less, has more memory bandwidth(336 vs 288 GB/s for the same GK110 chip) and has a higher boost clock(980 vs 902 MHz).

 

[anthony8989]

FYI nVidia markets it as a ''gamer card'' because it falls under the GeForce brand and not Quadro. It is a semi-professional card that happened to be introduced through GeForce. Introducing the card under Quadro would taint the line of professional grade GPU's and lower the value of the line itself. And they don't have a brand for ''semi-professional'' cards ATM thus: GeForce Titan Z.

If you have no professional use for this card, then you're calling it a gamer card. If you do have professional use for this card, you're winking at nVidia saying " 😉 thanks for saving me $9,000".

If it were to be introduced as a Quadro(say a K7000 or something) it'd compete directly with the K6000, as it has the same amount of on-label RAM(albeit half per GPU) and costs $500 less.

You get a much higher bin on the Quadro than the GeForce. Like I said, it's for semi-professional use not full-on commercial grade work-loads.

 

[anthony8989]

You only need to look at the pattern of nVidia's GeForce dual GPU's pricing to understand what they are doing. The Titan Z is a bridge between consumer and professional. I'm not saying it won't give great gaming performance, but that is not its primary function .

 

[anthony8989]

Also IDK where you guys got your K6000 pricing from, but the card goes for $6000 on sale for $4999. You're still saving $2,000 going with the Titan Z.

 

[cst1992]

You only need to look at the pattern of nVidia's GeForce dual GPU's pricing to understand what they are doing. The Titan Z is a bridge between consumer and professional. I'm not saying it won't give great gaming performance, but that is not its primary function .

Makes sense, considering its price tag is 3x the older dual GPU cards.

 

[paitjsu sadff]

You only need to look at the pattern of nVidia's GeForce dual GPU's pricing to understand what they are doing. The Titan Z is a bridge between consumer and professional. I'm not saying it won't give great gaming performance, but that is not its primary function .

i will post again because i think you didn't get it :

TITANS are meant strictly for gaming at high resolution...Quadro cards are needed for profesional rendering and editing. the quadro K6000 is the top of the line based on the gk110 gpu, fully enabled and come with 12gb of high performance GDDR5 memory...
Cost : 4759$ +tax and shipping i have one K5000 on my workstation at work and it's pretty nice, but for games it's not any better, but that's not what it is designed for.

 

[cst1992]

Also IDK where you guys got your K6000 pricing from, but the card goes for $6000 on sale for $4999. You're still saving $2,000 going with the Titan Z.

Hmm, you're right. Seems there's another card, the 6000, not the "k"6000; selling for $3648.99 on newegg.